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MRFF’s Inbox Reponses

Published On: April 21, 2010|Categories: MRFF's Inbox|10 Comments|

Inbox Email 1:

Subject: Prayer Day
From: name withheld
Date: Wed, April 21, 2010

Does anyone in your sick group need to be reminded that AMERICA was founded on Christian Religious Beliefs.

When in AMERICA the Islam need to follow Americans. If they could be upset — then get the hell out of AMERICA. If you are not Catholic and go to work in Rome do you think you would say that the POPE cannot hold a public prayer service?

All lands are welcome in AMERICA but do not try to change AMERICA to be their country. Maybe it would be best for your simple minded leader to move to be with the Islam people in their country and then have him tell them it upsets him to see them bowing to the east all the time and the Islam people must STOP that.

Get a grip on life or all of you should get OUT OF AMERICA.

What a bunch of cry baby whiners. You are disgusting, sick, and bottom dwellers.


MRFF’s Rick Baker Responds:

Hey [withheld]!

Can I get you a sedative?  LOL

Remember, angry people have heart attacks.

My name is Rick Baker and I’m a regional coordinator for MRFF.  Our staff is pretty busy right now with correspondence dealing with the NDP thing.  But I wanted to make sure you got an answer to your note.

Look, not to make things worse but America was actually founded as a pluralistic secular nation wherein all religions could flourish but none dominate.  Nary a mention of Jesus, God, Allah, Zeus or any other deity in the quintessential document of liberty, The Constitution.  I’m sure anyone wanting to identify America as a “Christian Nation” would have mentioned it somewhere in the constitution.

Now, this is not to say that Christianity is not the majority religion in America. It is only to say that irrespective of its majority it has no more position or power in law than any other religion.

Remind me not to have you host any welcoming parties for those of differing religious belief.  If they didn’t do things your way you’d kick ’em out of the country!

This is not the American way. We are a welcoming society and no matter what the other dunderhead may do, it is our custom and reputation  to be fair minded at all times.

You seem a bit desperate to make your beliefs prevail.

Mr. Graham’s appearance at the NDP event sponsored by the Pentagon does not comply with constitutional provisions or the Lemon Test, which the Supreme Court has ruled to be in effect.  The government  may not favor, elevate, prefer or recommend any particular religion nor become too closely associated with it.

These are not our rules but the Supreme Court’s. In addition, Mr. Graham’s  recent scathing attacks on Islam disqualifies him from speaking at the ceremony.

You see [withheld], we are the good guys and the forces we are fighting in the Mid East, mostly Muslims, are the bad guys. But all of Islam is not bad  just as all of Christianity is not good.

Now try to do what one of your favorite guys says is the right thing to do. Turn the other cheek and love your enemies. If, as a Christian you can’t do that, you better convert to Rastifarianism or whatever the hell they call that.  Why not join us at our web site militaryreligiousfreedom.org  I think there’s a new comment section going in and you can rant to your hearts content.

Until then calm down and remember you are an American.

Rick Baker
MRFF


Inbox Email 2:

From: name withheld
Date: April 27, 2010 8:56:06 AM MDT

Hi Mikey,

My hopes are that you receive this letter personally.
After reading about you and your lovely family and what happened to your son in the U.S. Military. My heart broke for you and your family. I cannot believe & do not understand anyone who would call themselves “Christian” and say such mean things to a young man trying to serve his country.
I too, have a son in the U.S. Military. And would not want these mean and hateful things said to him either. I would get angry and want to persecute the ones who said it.
I do understand your hurt in this matter.
But please do not judge all under one banner……
I have an honest love and deep respect for Jewish people and their beautiful country Israel .
Whom I support with my prayers and my money.
The hateful things said to your son, are nothing more than the same hateful anti-Semitic remarks that helped fuel the Crusades, the Inquisition and Hitler’s Holocaust.
G-d has given me a deep love and admiration for the Jewish people. And you and your family being Jewish, My G-d compels me to hold you up in prayer.

G-d’s Word tells me that G-d will, “Bless those who bless Israel (The Jews), and curse those who curse Israel ( The Jews). Nations have rose and fell on how they have treated The Jews, G-d’s chosen people.
My prayer for you is, that you do not become bitter and heartless and use the same hateful rhetoric on christians that was used on your son. Don’t stoop to their level. There is another way…….
And my deep, heart-felt honest prayer is that You will find it….. : ) I do mean this from the bottom of my heart.
My Prayers are with You, (name withheld)….Please feel free to email me back. I know you are a very busy person but it would be greatly appreciated.
“PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM”


MRFF Ally Responds:

Withheld:
Mikey asked me to respond to your email – which he did indeed receive and read personally along with several thousand others today. I have been a friend of Mikey’s for more than 10 years. In that time I have come to know that Mikey is very respectful of other people’s faiths while being dedicated to his own. I am a Christian and he is Jewish. We do share one membership. We are both conservatives. Judging all under one banner is the last thing I would expect from him.

Mikey called me on his cell phone on his way to Parent Weekend at the USAF Academy that weekend when life changed forever for the Weinsteins. He was so enthusiastic when he spoke about his 2nd son to follow him at the Academy. But the next time we spoke he was a different Mikey. His usual jovial and upbeat mood was replaced with anger and frustration – the kind to which any parent who has seen his child intentionally hurt can relate. I became angry too. Instead of cursing Curtis and making him march in what was called the “heathen squad” during the normal time for temple services, the Christian officers and chaplains should have offered to drive him to temple services on Saturday and taken him to Starbucks afterward. If their intent was to approach him about his faith and explain their faith, would that not have been a more effective way to start the conversation? Their reprehensible treatment of this young man angered me not only because of all those hateful slurs but also because those chaplains, staff and officers at the AF Academy had trampled on more than those young cadets. They attacked the Constitution. Their continued actions threaten our freedom of religion too.

I assure you, (withheld), that this is the heart of the mission of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. The MRFF is not rooted in bitterness but in the absolute confidence in and allegiance to our Constitution and in the support of our military members. I am a Christian as are many of the MRFF supporters. 96% of the clients who seek help from MRFF are also Christians. These brave men and women who when seeking spiritual guidance from their chaplains have been told they are not “Christian enough” or that they need to be baptized again because they were in the wrong denomination. There has also been coercion to attend Bible studies and worship services. From the number of complaints received by the MRFF, the indication is that some of our high level military officers are either contributing to the undermining of our Constitution or they are permitting it. In either case they are wrong, and we must come to the defense of all the military men and women to whom we owe so much. If one of my grandchildren is honored with a nomination to one of our military academies, I hope he is not placed in the heathen squad because he is not a member of the denomination that the military leaders choose to support and empower in that decade. That is the very reason we cannot allow our government or our leaders to ignore our Constitution.

The free choice of faith is the core principle that distinguishes our system from others. We must defend this principle. It is the right thing to do, and my friend Mikey Weinstein is the right man to lead the fight. This is not now nor has it ever been a mission to malign any one religion but to fight for our Constitution which guarantees our right to choose our own religion without regard to what the “king” chooses.

I appreciate your concern for Mikey and your prayers. He needs prayer for his strength and his safety. The steady stream of hate e-mail is just incredible! I talk and write to him frequently to see how he is doing. When he was forming the MRFF, I told him that he was in for a very long battle and that he should bring some trusted people alongside him to support him in the fight. I couldn’t help but think of Aaron and Hur seating Moses on a rock and holding his arms up so that the Israelites would win their battle with the Amalekites.

I hope your son does not experience any of this reprehensible treatment that some the of the clients of the MRFF have faced. God bless him for his service to our country and God bless you!

(MRFF supporter’s name withheld)


Inbox Email 3:

From: name withheld
Date: April 26, 2010 8:20:59 PM MDT
Subject: Neutral?

Mr. Weinstein,

You speak of Mr. Graham as an “islamophobe”, but have you ever considered that you may be a “Christianianophobe”?


MRFF Ally Responds:

Dear (withheld):

MRFF is anything but “Christianphobe”. We represent the backbone, rock-ribbed American Christian Protestant denominations whose sons and daughters MRFF routinely protects. We strongly support the work that MRFF does on our behalf.

The issue is and always has been that the military has but one mission – protect and defend the Constitution. It is not permitted to evangelize, proselytize, or demonize anyone else’s faith or absence thereof. Our youth and adults serving in the military have too often been forbidden to attend their own worship services or have been forced to attend those of a particular Christian view that is not ours.

We in the Christian community revere everyone’s right to worship in the manner he or she chooses – that is what the First Amendment is about. and what makes America great – but we cannot permit our faith traditions and beliefs to be overshadowed by others. We do not impose our views; we do not choose to have our loved ones and congregational allies have their faith usurped by others.

We are very grateful to Mikey Weinstein and to MRFF for defending our loved ones as they serve in the military, for protecting our Christian right to worship, and for standing for all people of faith or of none in their right to religious sovereignty.

No – Mikey Weinstein and MRFF are anything BUT “Christianphobes”. They are greatly valued allies to us in the Christian community.

Sincerely,

Elizabeth Sholes
California Council of Churches IMPACT

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10 Comments

  1. Kim April 26, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Mr. Baker,

    I pray and feel sorry for your ignorance and pious attitude. Why do people spend so much time arguing about a GOD that they do not believe exist? You are threatened by Mr. Graham and all other Christians. We are a threat to you. You are not a threat to GOD’s people or his kingdom. Everyone has been given a measure of faith. Yes, even you. Why, I might ask do you spend so much time making such an argument? If you don’t believe, then Just don’t believe. If you are not threatened by Mr. Graham, be a man, stand for whatever you stand for and let him have his say. Unless, you are afraid. Your rebellious spirit and attitude will cause you to lose your SOUL, if you do not wake up. I am not speaking in hate, but speaking in Love.

    God Bless you and I pray for you.

  2. scott April 26, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    might want to check your constitution again buddy. i’m pretty sure when they said “present the seventeenth day of september in the year of OUR LORD one thousand seven hundred and eighty seven and of the independence of the United States of America”, it implies that they had a reference to God in there since it is capitalized. check your facts before you say there is “nary a mention”. and if it is all about freedom of religion and no one religion dominating, then what about freedom of speech? sounds like if you don’t like what is said then nobody else should have to listen to it either. you say turn the other cheek how about those practicing islam to do the same. maybe if we just ban all religion and make this an athiest nation everybody will finally be happy. i’m sure all those kids raised without a reference to good and evil will turn out just fine….

  3. wesker April 26, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Mr. Baker…you say words that make you sound very tolerant and inclusive. You claim Mr. Graham says things that are hateful. Yet you yourself, Mr. Baker have saud very hateful things regarding Evangelical Christians. Do you still stand by such hate filled quotes such as these you made

    “Here is a person, like many other Americans, immersed, inundated, buried, overwhelmed, smothered, enchanted, pinned down, enthralled, enslaved and otherwise enraptured by a brand of Christianity that has not been witnessed since the Inquisition.

    With little else in their lives and without direction, ambition, goals, and the benefit of true education, America’s legion of obedient Dominion Christian lemmings eschew all of the gifts humanity has to offer and squander there lives in abject servitude to a God of choice which demands much and gives little.”

    Do you stand by your hatefull description of Evangelical Chritian beliefs as “vile and inhumane”. You sir are a hypocrite. You and the organization you represent would have far more credibility if you were to disavow your hate filled comments regarding what you lump together and call Dominion Christianity.

  4. Stephanie April 28, 2010 at 10:24 am

    Wow, I see a great desire to indoctrinate but very little factuality to back up what you are trying to portray as fact. If college taught me anything it was to consider the source of information, the bias from which the source operates, and most importantly, research things for yourself. I ENCOURAGE all who listen to anyone from this org. to do the research themselves before considering anything they say as factual.

  5. steve April 29, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    WOW, you guys are attacking the very right you look to preserve….if a croos on a military sign gets our panties all bunched up, why dont you start in on the invocations, moment of silence, base chapels. I mean really these things are “religous” acts that happen daily on every US Military base in the world. Would it not be more to the point if you put your time and money toward direct violations of law and quit disecting the constitution to fit your meaning of it? EVERY man and woman that joins our “volunteer” military takes an oath and in that oath it says to Obey The Orders of those appoinned over you and to support and defend the constitution of the US. So how is it that after all these years, everyone before you got it wrong? I think you just didnt get enough hugs when you were a little kid! You are trying to inflict your beliefs on everyone else so when is enough “enough”? Spend your time doing something that really matters…I’m guessing that if your kids are given a hard time because dad’s such a jerk, you’l find a way to sue, I’m just oping the the Academy starts to figure out that accepting one from your family is a bad choice and will hurt morale….all this over a sign that has a cross in it…get a life

  6. Art April 30, 2010 at 4:14 am

    I love my country very much and it makes me sad, kind of angry and upset when I see people such as your group making it almost impossible for Americans to be Americans regardless of color and faith… America IS a nation founded by Christians and all of our laws, bill of rights, constitution and other very important documents and ways of life here in the US are based solely on the Holy Bible and the Laws Of The Ten Commandments as given to Moses by GOD. No other country in the world had a system like ours until people like, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Madison, Jackson and numerous others like them sat down and came up with the constitution by in which everything they talked about was indeed based on God and his law… thus as our forefathers called themselves Christians, I mean it dont take a rocket scientist for pete sake to figure it out.they wanted freedom for everyone to practice any faith they choose too. they knew how it was to be ruled over and did not want that for the new country, so what did they do? they fought against the British for this freedom of choice and way of living. I am a Christian and sorry bud I dont see my self as a crusader,I see myself as a Christian. .. read your Bible or Torah or maybe you prefer the Quran and I bet, you will find sooo many similarities to our way of life here in the US based on the Bible more than the Torah and I know more than the Quran or any other Holy book out there. And being a Jew such as your self Mikey you should know better, that the real enemy “Satan” will put brother against brother, father against father and nation against nation, that’s his plan and it’s working… Jesus was a Jew and if you read the bible you will see that you and people like you are doing the very same exact things that the pharisees and sadducees did in Jesus’ day… Jesus said “talking to his disciples” don’t loose heart the world hated me first then they will hate you, it’s amazing how accurate the Bible is about these things, it’s like reading a book that foretells the future.Doha… it is a book thats tells the future, the future of every man that lived and who will live. I suggest you read it, the out come for those who dont , does not look too good. anyways Im not here to bash anyone but educate. All of our founding father where “Christians” they took what they believed to be moral and put it in words. where did their morality come from? Jesus the Christ & The Christians Holy Bible my friends. well got to go, have a good one and know God loves you and so does Jesus :) here is just a little something to think about Mikey…

    Ye call me MASTER and OBEY me not.
    Ye call me LIGHT and SEE me not.
    Ye call me WAY and WALK me not.
    Ye call me LIFE and DESIRE me not.
    Ye call me WISE and FOLLOW me not.
    Ye call me RICH and ASK me not.
    Ye call me FAIR and LOVE me not.
    Ye call me ETERNAL and SEEK me not.
    Ye call me GRACIOUS and TRUST me not.
    Ye call me NOBLE and SERVE me not.
    Ye call me MIGHTY and HONOR me not.
    Ye call me JUST and FEAR me not.
    If I condemn you, BLAME me not!

  7. JUDY April 30, 2010 at 11:27 am

    SHAME ON YOU MRFF! EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR AND CLAIM TO BE IS A LIE. MR GRAHAM IS SPEAKING LOUD AND CLEAR EVEN MORE SO NOW THAT YOU SO ARROGANTLY DISINVITED HIM TO YOUR CONTROLLED EVENT. GOD WILL NOT BE CONTROLLED. WHERE GOD IS THERE IS FREEDOM.

  8. Carmine Wiggins April 30, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    I’ve followed the MRFF since its inception and to this day they continue to speak on behalf of our proud and courageous men and women in uniform who might not otherwise have a means of voicing their concerns. I severed 20 years in the Military and I continue to serve as a civilian. I occasionally witness religious proselytizing and a lot of routine discussions about how religions and their views affect daily life. I have also got up and left Commanders Calls (even on active duty) and made an excuse to leave other discussions or events because I do not wish to hear them. I go to Holiday parties but leave when the other attendees wish to thank their deities for this and that. Some have asked me why I do this and I tell them…they all seem to understand and respect my feelings on the matter. Some are not always fortunate to do the things I do and some are afraid to just get up and leave for fear of reprisal or other forms of admonishment. This just should not happen at all. No one should be afraid to stand-up for what they believe, or remove themselves from uncomfortable positions…even unwanted proselytizing. First, Military member’s should never be put into that position at all; if they need to pray they can do so privately. If they want to have a group prayer then go to church. Only those that want to participate can go freely. For those that believe MRFF does not stand for protecting the troops from proselytizing then you are dead wrong…they have already done wonderful things and our troops know it and support them with all their hearts…I know because the troops tell me all the time and without Mikey and his supporters it would be much worse then it is today. Please read everything on the MRFF website before you respond to ANY information so you can formulate an informed opinion and then write something intelligent and responsible. I know lots of Americans and they come from all walks of life, religions and ethnic backgrounds. I far as I know they believe that all people are created equal, we are free to believe (or not) as we wish, and most do not tolerate proselytizing. We can not have a “Nation-Day” of anything that disrespects ANYONE including those of other faiths. And one last comment for steve: I applaud that you want to obey the orders from those above you and defend the Constitution of the US of A. However, that has nothing to do with what MRFF is supporting…the 16,000 Military men and women who are being FORCED to participate in religious activities AGAINST their will…what part of that did you not understand? They should not have to leave THEIR country because you cannot force us to believe the way YOU want!

  9. SPC. Matthew **** April 30, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    AAAAHHHHHKKKKKKKKK, wrong. America wasn’t founded as a Christian nation. It was founded by free masons who believed that there was a GOD or infinite being, but did not limit it to one faith. Second, Iran was founded as a Muslim nation (by a bunch of religious kooks after the fall of the Shah’s monarchy) and look what thy turned out to become. An oppressive government with ties to religous extremist organizations. If you did your history h/w you’d notice a pattern with countries establishing themselves as relgious nations. They tend to turn out sour after a few centuries, sometimes a few decades even.

  10. jon weir May 2, 2010 at 3:36 pm

    In response to Ms. Sholes response that your organization is not “Christianaphobic”, I find it very interesting that the only religion that you constantly oppose and demand be removed or disinvited is Christianity. I have never read or heard of or seen anywhere of your organization complaining about another religion other than Christianity. So, how can you say that you aren’t “Christianaphobic” if the only thing that you’re afraid of is the Christian religion. Oh, and by the way, maybe you should take another look at the Constitution that you claim you are defending. You claim there is no mention of God in the Constitution and yet it very clearly says, “in the year of our Lord 1783,”. Sounds to me like it’s talking about God. Also, maybe you should also reread the First Amendment, this time, all the way to the end where it says, “nor prohibit the free exercise thereof.” Which, by the way, that’s what you’re doing everytime you complain about us mean Christians trying to subvert our military.

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