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PLEASE bring an end to this kind of separatism. I am not a christian, muslin, buddhist or athiest. I find it to be a beautiful thing when people find security and beauty in their own minds. There are much larger issues in this world than over sensitizing the public.
wesker
Posted May 6, 2010 at 6:03 AM
Mikey, you’re banner reads “When one proudly dons the US Military uniform there is only 1 religious symbol, the American flag”…live true to your words Mikey and go after the Sikhs in the Army!!!…I have no issues with the Sikhs, glad they serve, but if you are true o your words you should sue to stio the Sikhs from wearing their RELIGIOUS symbols while in uniform…but you won’t..because you’re a Christian hating hypocrite coward.
Kieselguhr Kid
Posted May 14, 2010 at 6:55 AM
wesker, I think that you’re looking to fnd hypocrisy where I can’t see any. The Army has one (1) Sikh, who wears a turban and presumably carries a kirtan. It has many Jews who wear yarmulkes, and manay many Christians who wear crosses, and many others (like myself) wearing other religious totems. I agree that MRFFs language is often repellingly intemperate and that can muddy the issue — but I have never seen MRFF oppose any of those personal religious practices in any forum, and nor have you. MRFF has consistently, instead, fought attempts to proselytize under government auspices and to use government to amplify specific, sectarian messages, in accordance with military law and the Constitution.
It is not Mr. Weinstein who comes across as bigoted when you ask why he isn’t trying to strip one MEDCOM soldier of his right to follow his personal religious practice.
I do agree with you about that quote of Weinstein’s up there. I think I know what he’s trying to say — that in the performance of one’s military (or, better and broader still, governmental) duties, one seeks to serve only the Law, uses its symbols to reinforce that message, and is motivated only by love of countrymen, and one DOES NOT (in that performance) serve one’s religion or God except to the extent that those duties indirectly serve righteousness (which I suppose all of us who are religious and in service think they do). My formulation is clunky. Weinstein’s formulation is kind of dumb. But the truth behind it is one I have to applaud, and shame on you for not doing so.
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PLEASE bring an end to this kind of separatism. I am not a christian, muslin, buddhist or athiest. I find it to be a beautiful thing when people find security and beauty in their own minds. There are much larger issues in this world than over sensitizing the public.
Mikey, you’re banner reads “When one proudly dons the US Military uniform there is only 1 religious symbol, the American flag”…live true to your words Mikey and go after the Sikhs in the Army!!!…I have no issues with the Sikhs, glad they serve, but if you are true o your words you should sue to stio the Sikhs from wearing their RELIGIOUS symbols while in uniform…but you won’t..because you’re a Christian hating hypocrite coward.
wesker, I think that you’re looking to fnd hypocrisy where I can’t see any. The Army has one (1) Sikh, who wears a turban and presumably carries a kirtan. It has many Jews who wear yarmulkes, and manay many Christians who wear crosses, and many others (like myself) wearing other religious totems. I agree that MRFFs language is often repellingly intemperate and that can muddy the issue — but I have never seen MRFF oppose any of those personal religious practices in any forum, and nor have you. MRFF has consistently, instead, fought attempts to proselytize under government auspices and to use government to amplify specific, sectarian messages, in accordance with military law and the Constitution.
It is not Mr. Weinstein who comes across as bigoted when you ask why he isn’t trying to strip one MEDCOM soldier of his right to follow his personal religious practice.
I do agree with you about that quote of Weinstein’s up there. I think I know what he’s trying to say — that in the performance of one’s military (or, better and broader still, governmental) duties, one seeks to serve only the Law, uses its symbols to reinforce that message, and is motivated only by love of countrymen, and one DOES NOT (in that performance) serve one’s religion or God except to the extent that those duties indirectly serve righteousness (which I suppose all of us who are religious and in service think they do). My formulation is clunky. Weinstein’s formulation is kind of dumb. But the truth behind it is one I have to applaud, and shame on you for not doing so.