CBS CHARLOTTE – Air Force Base Takes Down Nativity Scene Following Complaint

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SHAW AIR FORCE BASE, S.C. (CBS Charlotte/AP) — Officials at Shaw Air Force Base are trying to determine what to do about aholiday display after a Nativity scene was taken down last week.

Air Force spokeswoman Lt. Keavy Rake said Tuesday a Nativity display was set up Friday by a group of volunteers from the base chapel at a small lake on the installation. The site was near where a tree lighting ceremony was scheduled Friday evening.

Rake says the Military Religious Freedom Foundation lodged a complaint about the display through the Air Force in Washington.

Paul Loebe, spokesman for the foundation, said the Nativity scene was in violation of the Constitution.

“It was very sectarian in nature and a direct violation of the US Constitution as well as a blatant violation of Air Force Instruction 1-1 Section 2.11,” Loebe said in a statement.

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    3 Comments

    1. David Kuhn

      MY CHRISTMAS GIFT TO YOU!

      I sure wish the American population knew the true meaning of separation of Church and State.

      Unfortunately, most, like this misguided soul don’t actually have a clue. I am so sick of these mean spirited, angry, sad, believe-in-nothing whiners ruining for many the reason of our celebration.

      What does Separation of Church and State really mean? Here it is!

      James Madison, trained to be a minister and preacher of the Gospel, is rightly called “the father of the United States constitution,” as he played a key role in its framing. Both James Madison and Thomas Jefferson are called the “Champions of Religious Freedom.” Why? Because they both spoke out against an established state-controlled church, such as the Anglican church in Virginia, which had forced all citizens to attend its services, pay tithes and which had persecuted all other Christian churches, such as the Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, Mennonites, Lutherans, Quakers, etc.

      All these other Christian churches could not hold their own services, nor could they preach the Gospel without permission from the Anglican church. In Virginia, the Baptists had been thrown into prison on occasion, for worshipping God in their own way, and for preaching the Gospel outside the Anglican church.

      Thomas Jefferson put a stop to this religious persecution, by Act of Congress, with his document: “Statutes for Religious Freedom in Virginia,” which abolished the Anglican state-controlled church, replacing it with Freedom of Religion, that is freedom of different Christian churches, as above mentioned, to worship in their own way, without being persecuted and punished.

      This is the real meaning of the First Amendment Clause of our United States Constitution, which reads:

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;…”

      Father of the United States Constitution, James Madison had this clause put into the Constitution, in order that the government would never again force citizens to attend a state-controlled church, such as the Anglican Church in Virginia had been.

      This is the true meaning of the phrase:

      “Separation of the Church from interference by the State”

      Now, all the different Christian denominations could worship God in their own way, and preach the Gospel of salvation through Jesus Christ wherever they wished.

      AND THIS IS THE ONLY MEANING… IT DOES NOT ALLOW or GIVE THE GOVERNMENT OR ANY GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY THE RIGHT or ANY RIGHTS to PROHIBIT RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION IN A PUBLIC SPACE. AS A MATTER OF FACT IT PROTECTS THAT RIGHT.

      We have strayed so far from the truth, most Americans don’t even recognize Truth anymore. Those of you in the Judeo Christian Faith quit backing down to those who are clueless. Express your faith openly and freely. Those of you who have no faith, feel free to express that as well… But DON’T, and I mean DON’T try to suppress or take away the rights of those who want to celebrate what is the most meaningful day to Christians world wide.

      If you don’t want to participate, no problem, don’t. If you are offended by a manger scene, a Christmas tree, the colors red and green or any other symbolism, turn your head and walk away. I have to live with your lies everyday of my life without recourse; I guess you are going to have to live with my Truth for one day a year. GET OVER IT! Its my right given by the Constitution and the founders of this county. It you need relief, feel free to find a country that gives you that right… might I suggest IRAN!

      Merry Christmas!!!

    2. Sundown Thursday

      You people are nuts! I’m retired from the Navy and not once in my time in the service did anyone stick religion down mt throat.

      If anything we were strengthened by having the Chaplin close by.

      Religion meant something then and it still means something.

      Find something else to complain about.

    3. Steve Badgley

      David Kuhn is “right on” concerning the separation of church and state. England’s royalty and leaders of our mother country, had established the Church of England. In 1559 it was illegal there not to attend this church and if you didn’t go, you were fined for each missed Sunday and holy day. The Pilgrims came to our shores to escape persecution and to find religious freedom. Madison and the founding fathers did not want our new government to have the authority to tell anyone how they were to worship our Creator as had been done in England and by some of her colonies here in America.

      Are we to let these “so called” intellectual, humanist, atheists who are, always have been and always will be the minority in this country, dictate to us how we worship? Put restrictions on us because our actions offend them? Just what about them is being offended? They have the same rights as we do to participate in or ignore religion.

      Peanut butter is a death sentence for a minority of folks, should there be a campaign against Reese’s for making and selling those dangerous peanut butter cups that are so life threatening and are offensive if we should see someone with that condition eat them?

      I’m a combat veteran, a Corpsman who served with the Marines in Vietnam. I am certainly glad we did not have idiots like Mikey Weinstein or Paul Loebe in my platoon. They probably would not have made it back to the world because someone would have ended their tirade against God during the first firefight we got into, and it wouldn’t have been an NVA soldier or a VC.

      In my opinion, the only reason these SOB’s are doing what they do is for the money and notoriety. They don’t have the guts to try to become a hero like so many others have done in the name of God and Country, so they’re attempting to strike it rich and become famous by taking the words of the Constitution, twisting them around and trying to convince Americans that their ideas are the proper way things should be done in this country. They know that there are so many weak minded individuals out there who will keep sending their money to allow them to keep spreading this crap, that they will never have to worry about themselves or their kids having a future with those dollars pouring in. They’re not patriotic Americans, they’re foolish, greedy and ignorant a–h—es, so wise and intelligent in their own minds. They have found a way to get their name out in public and maybe in history, inflate their ego, and get rich sucking off those who are of the same ilk.

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