FEATURED INBOX POST – As per article in Family Research Council Newsletter (with responses)

Published On: February 11, 2014|Categories: MRFF's Inbox|2 Comments|

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Dear Mikey,

Yes, I would say it is very unfortunate that this could not have been done as two different seminars. It was optional and not forced attendance, so what was your objection? Unfortunately again, you personally and all those who come against God’s laws will answer to a higher court than this country has and the time for this is coming closer every day. You have free choice just as I do, to either believe or not believe the Word of God, whether in the OT or the NT. You can choose to deny that God exists, but that does not change anything, except what you choose to believe. I pray for you Mikey, every single day because I know God loves you in spite of all you do against Him and His word. Yes, if you are not for Him, you are against Him, there is no middle road. I have been ignoring all the other things I have been reading about that your group has been doing, but this time I felt led to speak out, whether it reaches your heart or not. Only God can do that and that is what I pray, that you,, just like Paul in the NT, will have a Damascus Road Experience, the likes of which you have never seen, not to punish you but to open your eyes and your heart to the truth.

Air Force Grounds Arkansas Marriage Curriculum

Of all the things a service member could complain about these days, a class on Christian marriage shouldn’t be one of them. Try telling that to Little Rock Air Force base, where a group of airman made it their priority to destroy a seminar that could have helped and inspired dozens of military couples. Led by the anti-Christian crusaders at the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), a fringe complained that “The Art of Marriage” video series scheduled for today’s Winter Wingman Day was too controversial. Why? Because it suggested — gasp! — that “a godly marriage adds stability to our homes.” (A fact FRC’s MARRI research supports.)

Unfortunately for the base’s majority, this adventure in political correctness not only flies in the face of the social science research, but also the state’s own law, which — thanks to 74% of voters — defines marriage as the union of a man and woman. Instead of tossing the curriculum that most couples preferred, organizers could have easily hosted two classes — one overtly faith-based program sponsored by the base chaplain and another hosted by a secular psychologist. But, as usual, MRFF was trying to create a controversy where there wasn’t one. Only this time, the victims of their intolerance are military couples, whose marriages face greater obstacles than anyone’s. What a shame that MRFF can’t put aside its petty agenda long enough to let the base help the people who need it most.

(name withheld)


Dear (name withheld),

With all due respect – your attitude is as unAmerican as they come. That being said I’d like to thank for refraining from insults or threats of violence, which we receive often. In the US Military we are not bound by Christian law. That is saved for within the confines of the Christian church. Once you exit those walls you are not able to enforce such a belief system upon me nor upon any other member of a democratic free society. The Constitution of the United States created a Separation of Church and State, which many radical Christians so fervently deny, but it is there and enshrined into law nonetheless. Backing that Separation (which is laid out in the Federalist and anti-Federalist papers) are the actions of our Founding Fathers (the authors of the Constitution) who became some of the first Presidents. James Madison, the 4th President and first open Christian (the previous three were Deists), so vehemently defended that Separation that he refused to allocate any government money to help churches of any type – including his own denomination. And then there’s TWO HUNDRED years of case law continuing that fine tradition of religious equality.

You know what’s amazing about all that? It applies to the US Military as well. I know. I’ve served. I continue to serve. Both here and in combat. I appreciate the fact that my military isn’t a Christian military. It’s a diverse and beautiful organization that I am so proud to be a part of. And now I’m glad that MRFF exists in order to fix the minor (major) problem of illegal and wholly unConstitutional intrusion into the religious lives of its servicemembers.

I’d highly suggest you read up on the history of the Separation that I have so slightly informed you of.

Very Respectfully,
Paul Loebe
Special Projects Manager
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Chicago, IL


I have no intention of forcing a religion upon anyone, I simply stated my beliefs and I also did not threaten any violence. When I talked about Judgement, I meant before God when we all leave this world. I do believe that you and others who are against Christianity do try to force your beliefs upon us. I believe every one has the right and the choice to follow God or not follow Him, but when one group stops another group from joining in in what they believe they should be doing or desire to be doing, then there is a problem. I am simply stating that those in the military who wish to attend anything that has to do with their religion, should be allowed to do so, and that anyone who does not believe in God should never be forced to pray or attend a religious ceremony. It seems like more people are trying to stop Christians from doing what they have been called to do by God almighty. I do not believe any military member should be forced to participate in any prayer gathering, which is not what I understand was the situation in Arkansas, I saw that someone who did not agree with the class or what it was teaching, thought it wrong to have it on a military base. Yes, although I do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, there should also be classes that pertain to them as well, especially since “Dont Ask, Dont Tell” no longer exists.There is nothing in our Constitution that says military bases cannot have classes that have Christian overtones. Again, I agree that no one should be forced to attend those classes, but they still need to be made available to those who do wish to attend them. I also said that I will not only pray for Mikey and the rest of you but all those I am concerned about and where they will end up when they leave this world. This is about loving those who do not agree with my beliefs and being concerned enough that I feel at times I need to speak out. Forgive me if what I said caused hurt or concern, but if I am ever in the same situation again, I will still feel I need to say what I believe is wrong, you can just choose to ignore me. I am not calling down fire and brimstone on anyone, just asking for my Father in heaven to speak to your hearts and to forgive you for you do not truly know what you are doing, just as Jesus said on the cross when He was crucified, referring to the pharisees and those who did not like what He was teaching. He did this in order to give everyone a chance to live for eternity in Heaven, rather than wind up in a Hell that was created for Satan and not God’s people. .

As for separation of church and state, it must be how people want to interpret it because as I read the Constitution and also the Bill of Rights, which I have a copy of, I understand it to mean that the government has no right to interfere with my practice of a religion, nor to stop any church from preaching, and nothing is stated that we as Christians are not supposed to be involved with state or Federal Government. The first amendment was created the other way around. Yes, I do know what I am talking about, and sadly I was one of those people who believed the lie for sometime until I came to understand what it truly meant. I have a book that has words in it from every single President beginning with our very first one. the U.S. Capitol has always had a chaplain as well, so how would that fit in with what you are saying? It is not something that was just started a few years ago, there has been one praying at the opening of every single legislative session.

May you have a clear and unbiased understanding of what our Constitution truly does say, and not what you want it to say.

May God bless you and give you peace,

(name withheld)


Dear (name withheld),

Again, I sincerely thanked you for not insulting nor engaging in violent threats. It was a sincere thanks as we do receive those more often than we care to (as once is more than enough).

I think we agree on more than we don’t. Everything you just stated about no one being restricted we at MRFF completely agree with —> so long as that belief does not infringe on someone else’s. That is what is most important. Our mission is not in any sense to halt anyone’s right to believe or worship. We merely fight for the rights of service members to not be forced to attend or engage in compulsory religious services. That happens more often than it should – which is never.

It is the equivalent of someone coming to your place of work and forcing you to attend a religious service (whatever it may be) that is not what you believe over threat of firing you. That is unconstitutional.

You are correct that there is no regulation stating that Christians cannot have a service of their own. This agenda however was mandatory annual training for ALL service members.That is a problem.

I think you should research MRFF more (as well as the Constitution). We are on the same side. There is a lot of Christian persecution that exists in the armed forces. None of it, however, comes from us. 96% of our over 37,000 clients are Christians. They are persecuted by other Christians for “being the wrong kind of Christians”. In fact the vast majority of our board members are Christian. We are sorely misrepresented by these pseudo-christian monsters who want to install a theocratic government. I fear you have been inundated with false claims of historical data that perpetuate the lie that the Constitution was founded on the Bible. It was not. These politicians and other “liars for jesus” are trying to rewrite history and have been quite successful at convincing the public, who fail to fact-check and do the research.

I would highly suggest you check out debunkingbarton.com. It is a website by our own Chris Rodda, that goes line by line debunking every claim that pseudo-historian David Barton has put forward. Barton is oft-quoted by politicians and pastors alike, many of whom do not the depths of his deceptions and lies. Chris has been so thorough and successful at disproving his lies that she is the only contributor and historian at George Mason University in Washington D.C. without a college degree. I urge you to research and assure you that we are on the same side of the fight for religious equality, both in public life, but also in military service.

I do hope to hear from you again.

Very Respectfully,
Paul Loebe
Special Projects Manager
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Chicago, IL

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  1. Dave Hobley February 12, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Well Said MRFF! Keep up the great work! Thank you for defending our rights to live believing in what we wish without our rights and beliefs being infringed upon!

    You guys are the best! Wholly Constitutional Americans and we appreciate you!

    Dave Hobley, Founder & CEO
    Our World Enterprises

  2. Jim Slark February 12, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    the ‘gods before all position’ taken by the christianists means one thing to me, and that truth is proven daily, that these christianists will lie (lying for the lord), cheat, steal, hate and kill to achieve dominance. This means they hold no allegiance to integrity or to the standards of the AFA or to those of the USA and as such have no place in an institution like the AFA or in any other situation in American life where personal integrity is so important. They do this based on belief in a non-existent supernatural beings that has never been proven and which will never be proven. It is purely an exercise in power, and it should be treated as such. Thank you Mikey.

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