Military Religious Freedom Foundation http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org Protecting the Constitutional Guarantee of Separation of Church and State in the United States Military Sun, 25 Jan 2015 11:23:58 +0000 en-US hourly 1 A U.S. Army Recruiter http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/a-u-s-army-recruiter/ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/a-u-s-army-recruiter/#comments Sat, 24 Jan 2015 13:23:58 +0000 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/?p=21279


To: Mr. Mikey Weinstein and the People of the MRFF

Fm: (Army Enlisted Rank and Name Withheld)

Subject: Standing Up

Message:

Sir: first thank you for taking my call earlier today. I also wanted to thank you and the MRFF for taking the public stand you all did regarding the Army “Mission For Both God and Country” recruiting poster for Special Forces. Which was displayed for much of the autumn in Phoenix, AZ. Just so you all know I am (number of years withheld) old have a spouse and (number of children withheld) kids and am an active duty U.S. Army (enlisted rank withheld) and recruiter. A (Protestant denomination withheld) and even a Republican voter. I have deployed (number of deployments withheld) times and have been decorated with (combat awards and decorations withheld). I have to tell you that many of us applauded when you published your news story about just how bad that poster was. One of us should have stood up sooner but we didn’t. You all did. Want to thank you all at the MRFF.


Sir: our U.S. Army builds its strength by bringing the best out of all of our soldiers irregardless of race gender birth origin sexual preference or faith choice. Recruiters supposed to know this especially. We are supposed to be a united combat team directed by our oath to the Constitution. And not “God” or “lack of a God” or anything else. We have many troops from many faith backgrounds in todays Army including more than ever before who would be classified as non-believers. That recruiting poster tore down the Army team. It did nothing to build and jack it up. It was divisive not unifying. It hurt and it messed up recruiting and did not help us. Th MRFF stood up and took the stand and the heat. My guys and me noticed.

Sir: many of us in (U.S. Army) Recruiting Command supports your guts in standing up to bring that poster down. USAREC HQ obviously agreed as they ordered it taken done so soon after your Editorial was published. I wanted to write to express my and my guys support. But wanted to wait a few days after reading of the “outrage” in so-called “conservative press” about you and the MRFF people. The writers of those news stories know nothing about what it take for us to recruit young people. And to become soldiers into todays all volunteer force. Many of the commentaters on these news stories are equally as out of touch. Many of the commentaters used foul words and abusive language about you and the MRFF. I and my guys apologize to you and the MRFF people for that ugliness. After looking at your website the last week we now know you are all used to that mean treatment. How you ever used to it? Frankly my spouse (name withheld) and I were shocked.

Mr. Weinstein, Sir: if you are ever in (city and state withheld) please let me know. I should still be stationed here for another (number of years withheld) years. The beer is on me and my guys. Please do not use my name or other stuff which identifies me in this e-mail. I want to live without looking over my shoulder out here. OK, Sir?

V/R

(U.S. Army Recruiter’s name and enlisted rank withheld)
(U.S. Army Recruiter’s unit, city, state and duty assignment withheld)

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Army Poster Removal http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/army-poster-removal/ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/army-poster-removal/#comments Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:54:43 +0000 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/?p=21270 Hello…..my understanding is that your organization is designed to protect the rights of people to worship as they choose, and to have the right to not be forced to worship by another. I’m trying to figure out how a sign “For God and Country” could possibly offend ANYONE. If there was a sign that a military recruiter placed out front of his recruiting center that said, “For freedom and Cash” I would probably laugh or smirk, but I certainly wouldn’t care enough to get offended or take action. Instead, your organization comes across more about censorship….the banning of 200 year old religious sayings from public life seems a bit Facist to me. I think you’re walking a fine line here…I say just live and let live, not everyone is going to see things that way you do, get over it…..for every one person who cheers your removal of a silly sign, 50 more will be offended by your actions….which leads me to believe you’re not really interested in protecting people as whole, but prefer to censor a large number of people to please a small number of people–this just doesn’t seem very American to me….my 2 cents anyways……….have a good day.

(name withheld)


 

Dear (name withheld),

First, I would like to thank you. Honestly. I mean that with no means of provocation and with no intent to insult. We receive thousands of message of hate, many of them containing death threats. Many people are incensed and angered over the work we do. Others are confused and lash out. Some are downright hateful.
When we encounter messages that are truly inquisitive and respectful it truly is a breath of fresh air.
The sign in question was indeed a violation of the establishment clause of the 1st amendment to the US Constitution. Were it not, then the Army would not have acted so quickly to take it down. We didn’t go after this sign with malice or with the intent to offend anyone. The military is a funny beast. It’s not merely just another government job – it’s also an international diplomacy effort, whether one wishes to view it that way or not.
The actions of a few mere soldiers, or hell…even a single individual in uniform…can have rippling second and third order effects for not only everyone in uniform – but the State Department, USAID, the White House, NATO, etc. I’m sure you get the picture and I don’t wish to insult your intellect by continuing further.
The US Military is an arm of the government. Therefore the government does not have the ability to exercise rights as it is not a citizen of itself. So the government can take no stance on the “god” issue, something for which I am very thankful. I would not want the government dictating to me how, when, and what deity I must worship. Nor, I imagine, would any Americans were they forced in such a way either.
It is true what you say of “For God and Country” being a motto used in the armed forces. However, it is not indicative of the entire armed forces or even anyone in the regular military. The Latin phrase ‘Pro aris et Focis’ is the phrase used for the Chaplaincy, and had this sign been used to attract people looking to join the chaplaincy it would have been innocuous. However, this sign was directed towards getting people to join the Special Forces. It was clearly targeted towards recruiting religious people of a specific persuasion into the special forces – and something strongly lauded by the Christian extremists in our nation.
Many people immediately disregard the concept of “Christian extremists” whenever I bring it up, but it is a real threat and a pervasive one. I know because I used to be one of them before the veil was lifted from my eyes. There are still around 30,000,000 Americans who believe in a conservative government ruled by biblical law – they are called “Dominionists” and follow dominion theology.
While they are a minority of Christians nationwide, they still make up a significant number of American citizens. And the closer you get to the Special Forces community the more embedded they are. We are taught from a young age that it is our duty to take over all branches of government (including the military) and to transform the nation into a “christian nation” to make America become like the Israel of the Old Testament. 
 
It truly is a pretty scary proposition now that I am outside of that life and believe that forcing and coercing people into that life is wrong. How do you think Islamic extremists will take this sign? They may not need it to use as propaganda and fodder to get new recruits….but us helping them by violating our own Constitution isn’t getting us anywhere.
When people respond to our actions they are merely thinking about the first order effect of what we have done (taking down a poster). If we had a truly intellectual populace perhaps they would consider the second and third order effects of what we are trying to prevent when it comes to matters like these.

 

Very Respectfully,
Paul Loebe
Special Projects Manager
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Chicago, IL
*Disclaimer: Although I am a Marine Staff Sergeant I do not speak on behalf of the Department of Defense, United States Marine Corps, or any affiliated branches.*
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RAW STORY – Mike Huckabee: ‘God’s blessing’ will make me president to stop the atheist ‘secular theocracy’ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/raw-story-mike-huckabee-gods-blessing-will-make-me-president-to-stop-the-atheist-secular-theocracy/ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/raw-story-mike-huckabee-gods-blessing-will-make-me-president-to-stop-the-atheist-secular-theocracy/#comments Fri, 23 Jan 2015 00:46:00 +0000 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/?p=21264 Selected Article Excerpt:

Former Fox News host Mike Huckabee said on Thursday that if he was elected president then he would have “God’s blessing” to fight a so-called “secular theocracy” that had been imposed by atheists.

During an appearance on the Christian Life Today program, Huckabee told televangelist James Robinson that he was considering a 2016 presidential bid because the country needed to become a “God-centered nation that understands that our laws do not come from man, they come from God.”

“It’s the natural law of God,” the former Arkansas governor said, adding that he was not calling for a theocracy.

“That’s it,” Huckabee agreed. “It’s a humanistic, atheistic, even antagonistic toward Christian faith. And that’s what we need to understand. Our basic, fundamental rights are being robbed from us, taken from us piece by piece.”

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1/22/14 Religious-inspired hatred follows MRFF advocacy, Constitutional victories http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/12214-religious-inspired-hatred-follows-mrff-advocacy-constitutional-victories/ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/12214-religious-inspired-hatred-follows-mrff-advocacy-constitutional-victories/#comments Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:24:16 +0000 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/?p=21261 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/12214-religious-inspired-hatred-follows-mrff-advocacy-constitutional-victories/feed/ 0 To the enimy of Jesus The Christ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/to-the-enimy-of-jesus-the-christ/ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/to-the-enimy-of-jesus-the-christ/#comments Thu, 22 Jan 2015 17:46:25 +0000 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/?p=21251 Youv had your fun making the Army bow to your satan will Mickey Wiensteen. now let’s all watch how Jesus makes you pay for taking Him out of the Army. Your hellbound ‘religious freedom FROM religion” followers too.  You all try to fool everybody and hide behind the contitution. Your afraid of the Gospel. Why is it you give a jew a chance to recrusify our Savior and he’ll do it ever time. And your the worse of jews in the world. Blood thrifty for inocent Christians bringing The Word to the Army. damn you and die. And burn for youre sins against Christ Jesus. For all time.

(name withheld)


 

Dear Member of the Bad-Speller and Poor Grammar Club,
Mikey’s busy protecting the religious freedoms of our military members — including the Christians who are some 96% of the over 40,000, Army included, who came up against the sort of co-called Christian  you claim to be.
So, allow me to set you straight:  Jesus was Jewish.  His mother, Mary, was Jewish.  His Father, God, was the Jewish God.  And what you’ve wished to do to Mikey is just what you’d have done to Jesus, where He here today, based on everything you spewed in your email.
Now, who do you think will be burning in Hell for all Eternity?  Hmm?
Signed,
A real American: faithful to that required military oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, the very source of the religious freedom you so enjoy.

 

Dear (name withheld),

You’re mistaken about a couple of things, so I’d like to offer you a little help in the hope that understanding will have an ameliorative effect on the things that seem to be bothering you.

Mikey Weinstein is a good man with a strong personality, but he really doesn’t make the Army bow to him. He simply reminds the military leadership of their duty to the U.S. Constitution when they make a misstep, and they recognize their error and fix it.

When you say Jesus will “make you pay for taking Him out of the Army,” we are perplexed. We didn’t even know he was in the Army.

As to our “hellbound” followers, we’re again confused. Does that mean tied up with hell or headed for hell? The followers would like to know. And if it’s the latter, can you give us directions?

We don’t know what a “contitution” is, so we couldn’t hide behind it if we wanted to.

No one here is afraid of the Gospel, but if we look into it, which one do you think is the scariest?

I’m afraid I can’t make much sense of the rest of your message. It’s apparent you don’t care for “jews,” which is too bad. Some pretty funny guys.

And I’m really stumped at your mention of “Blood thrifty.” Does that mean if you cut yourself nothing comes out? I guess that wouldn’t surprise me.

Anyway, I hope I’ve been helpful. Just a little suggestion if I may. Consider SpellCheck or an ESL class.

Best,

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)

 

 

 

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Note http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/note/ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/note/#comments Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:43:04 +0000 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/?p=21249
It will be nice when the islamists finally take over and you atheist Christian haters are on your knees begging for your life and no longer assaulting innocent peaceful Christians trying to serve our nation.

 

(name withheld)


 

Dear (name withheld),
Let’s play a quick game of mad libs using your note and see what sort of feelings or ideas it pulls out of you:
1.  It will be nice when the Christian Supremacists finally take over and you Secular Activists are on your knees begging for your life and no longer fighting the traitors attempting to usurp our nation.
How did that one sound?  Oh, I knew you’d love it!  Another round though, this is just too much fun.
2. It will be nice when the Secular Government finally takes over and you innocent peaceful Christians are on your knees praying when and where you please and no longer assaulting non-Christians trying to serve our nation.
 
Let that one simmer for a minute.  In a truly secular government, everyone is free to believe or not believe as they see fit.  I know that’s really scary to some people, but it’s the best social contract we’ve been able to come up with in these past 6,000 years since god created the internet…or whatever it is your history books read.  Anyways, since your first message was just dripping with Islamophobia, I think we need to play one more round.  So here goes!
3. It will be nice when the Muslims finally take over and you innocent peaceful Christians are on your knees begging for a secular government and no longer vilifying those who want religion out of government.
 
It’s been great fun.  If you’d like to play again I’m more than happy to entertain.
Cheers,
Blake A. Page
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Special Assistant to the President
Director of US Army Affairs

Dear (name withheld),

Or should I say ‘Dear Hysteric”? Do you seriously believe the “islamists,” as you call them, are going to “take over” this country? No, I didn’t think so. I assume you’re using the reference to make a point. But if the point you’re trying to make is about extremists, or terrorists, you make a mistake by using a general term that technically includes all the followers of Islam. You see, most of the followers of Islam are not radical Islamic terrorists. No indeed. Most of them are peaceful, God loving people. You know, like most Christians. In both cases, it’s the radical extremists you have to worry about.

Anyway, your point, beyond being in error, is just silly. Wherever did you get the idea that we were “atheist Christian haters”? Most of the people associated with the MRFF are Christians. Some of them are Christian clergy. Of course we have members and supporters of all faiths and no faith at all, which is very American, don’t you think?

You’re also wrong in claiming we “assault innocent peaceful Christians.” Where do you come up with these dumb ideas?

Our organization is working to protect the rights of all the women and men in the military to be free to believe whatever and however they choose. We support people of all faiths and people of no faith by protecting them from people who want to force a particular belief system on them. It’s really very simple. The Constitution and the laws of this country have established us as a free country in which people can believe whatever they choose. We have no problem with that. What we have a problem with, and what the law says you cannot do, is have the government or any part of it promote one belief system over another.
God it? And because the military is part of the government it cannot promote or appear to promote one faith or belief system over another.

See? We’re just protecting the rights of Americans in the military to believe as they choose and not have somebody pushing a belief on them that they may not want or be comfortable with.

I hope this helps you better understand, because I know it’s embarrassing when you find you’ve shot your mouth off foolishly and attacked some people you don’t know about something you don’t know anything about.

But no problem here. We forgive you.

Best,

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)

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I have an idea http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/i-have-an-idea/ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/i-have-an-idea/#comments Thu, 22 Jan 2015 12:48:30 +0000 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/?p=21247 Why don’t you try establishing your organization over in Iran.  Maybe they’ll chop your head off.  This country is great because of God. Nitwits

(name withheld)

 


 

Dear (name withheld),

America is great because of her peoples willingness to accept all religions and  belief systems. One who believes in God gets no more civil rights or privileges  than any others.
Rick

Hey and one more thing richard, I just wanted to say that in other countries where Islam or Judaism or Buddhism exist, they don’t take that fabric out of their culture that’s a big part of their culture it’s almost like the flag you wouldn’t take the stars and stripes out of our flag because it would be imposing on somebody its the same thing with Christianity the belief in Jesus is the very foundation and building block of our culture.  It really is just an attack on Christianity. Just an excuse to rip that very fabric, Our rock out of our society. We ar(name e not just here for no reason there is a reason . There has to be a reason and that reason is Jesus Christ our Lord.  And the best part is that he really loves you a lot.

(name withheld)


 

Dear (name withheld),

America came into the 20th Century with a new take on religious and secular  cooperation. When other countries smashed religion others promoted it to the extreme. America made it possible for all faiths to live side by side.

It hasn’t been easy and there have been dust ups between religious and non-religious beliefs. But, overall, America has been able to accommodate both religious and non-religious people.

Minority religions have been and continue to flourish and given the room to grow. Islam is a good example by being given opportunities to establish Mosques in our major cities.Hopefully this encouragement will continue for every belief system.I respect your belief in Jesus and hope that what you say is true. Unfortunately, I’ve seen some things that do not support a gentle God such as Jesus.  I will continue to hope, however.

Rick


 

Dear (name withheld),

The irony contained within your paltry hateful message almost made me chuckle, until I realized the sincerity with which you pressed forward that message.
We are actually trying to prevent an “Iranian” type religious dictatorship from taking hold in the United States, but I doubt you will see the truth in that.
Do you know what Iran does to people who attempt to leave the Islamic faith? Chopping their heads off is one of the options and you – as a so-called “Christian” espouse the same values you claim to stand against.
If only Orwell were alive today to see the depths to which the level of intellectual and honest inquiry have plummeted from even a few short years ago.
Please remember to thank your caretaker after he/she cleans you up after you finish defecating in your pants before you bumble onto the next horrid email you wish to send out. In the meantime we’ll continue to fight for your rights whilst you continue to issue “Iranian-like” death threats in our direction.

 

Very Respectfully,
Paul Loebe
Special Projects Manager
Military Religious Freedom Foundation

 

That is very true however one who doesn’t believe in God does not get salvation . Jesus Christ is the only King and Savior . Before you shut him out you really should read the Bible and I am Telling You this out of love. I’m sorry I got angry before and wrote this email while I was angry. I hope you can forgive me. Jesus Christ really is amazing. Just ask him and he will answer you. I hope we can be friends,

(name withheld)


 

 

This is your belief. Others believe differently.  If your beliefs further civilization and advance the human race and not just your religion, then so be it. You must live according to the structure of your beliefs.

It is important to know that other beliefs exist and one should try to live and work alongside those as well.

The problem has been that if someone doesn’t agree with your beliefs the tendency has been to fight over them.  Religion has been a prima facie reason for warfare since the cavemen were still around.

Rick

 

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Phoenix sign removal http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/phoenix-sign-removal/ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/phoenix-sign-removal/#comments Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:31:39 +0000 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/?p=21238 You atheist are utter fools!  When & if you succeed in removing Christianity from this nation & government, then you will have succeeded in bringing about youre own demise! It is this nation as a Christian Nation which guarenteed yours and everyone else freedom of choice of a religion or not.  But when they are gone you will have no freedoma at all! In that void will march the armies of Islam and your only choice will be convert or die by the sword. Look around you Islamic state is comming here and you will wish you had Christian troups fighting for you, you Fools! 

(name withheld)

 


Dear (name withheld),

 We at Military Religious Freedom Foundation have no desire to  remove Christianity from our nation. We have among our organization rolls a number  of Christians, Jews and other belief systems as well as those of no beliefs.

We maintain a watch over religious activities in the military and when we see efforts to establish dominance by any one religion we intercede with whatever we can to prevent religious dominance.

We have had occasion to intercept certain elements of Christian extremists who did wish to overthrow secular government and establish Christian rule. These folks are known as Christian Dominionists.

Also, it was men and women of many beliefs who brought religious freedom to America. and it is Americans  of broad religious belief who currently govern America.

You and Christianity have nothing to fear from MRFF.

Rick Baker
Capt. USAF (Ret)
MRFF Volunteer

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Military Religious Freedom Foundation called the sign the “Poster of Shame” http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/military-religious-freedom-foundation-called-the-sign-the-poster-of-shame-2/ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/military-religious-freedom-foundation-called-the-sign-the-poster-of-shame-2/#comments Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:28:10 +0000 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/?p=21236 “An Army recruiting station has been ordered by higher ups to shelve a sidewalk sandwich board with the wording “On a mission for both God and country.”
“The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is delighted the Constitution has been adhered to by the U.S. Army Recruiting Command,” Weinstein said after the sign’s removal.
Every time I hear something about the MRFF going off about it reminds me of seeing the chimps at the zoo pick their butts and throw their crap at people.
I thought I would take this time to let you know that we raised another $8000 and passed out over 2000 New Testaments at several bases in AZ.
And please, don’t go through the useless effort of trying to explain to me how you are Christians and/or believe in and serve God …. Christians are to live their lives in all areas at all times, including in the military, serving God and spreading the message of His saving grace.
And if the Constitution did in fact state separation of church and state as you define it, it would be the duty of every true Christian, according to God’s Word, to defy the Constitution.
TTYL chimps.

(name withheld)

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Hi (name withheld),Some countries choose religious constitutions, others opt for secular guidelines.

Countries in which religious constitutions are allowed to guide civil law generally operate on a  quasi-religious basis.  Many Muslim and even some majority Christian countries commingle civil and religious law.

Countries such as America, while protecting religious liberty, have  chosen to separate religion from government operation. This enables government to make decisions based on actual fact and law.

As you know, despite the comforting aspect of religion, various religions and their practitioners have been responsible for massive loss of life and oppressive governments.

I see that you are quite prepared to overthrow the US Government in favor of Christian rule and you are living in a religion based republic guaranteed by force of arms.

You have therefore, in my estimation, relinquished your American citizenship and are a domestic enemy of the United States of America. I served two tours of duty as a rescue helicopter pilot in Vietnam  in the company of true patriots incurring two wounds. Your activities are a direct insult to them and the many others who truly sacrificed for our great nation.

And as for Chimps, they are much better company than some religious nuts.

Rick Baker
Capt. USAF (Ret)
MRFF Volunteer


Dear (name withheld),

Oh (name withheld)….I really wanted to give you some education but it appears you are too busy flinging your own poo around. Most of it seems to be landing on your keyboard, however.
We totally support your endeavor to evangelize. In fact, if a Christian (or member of any faith) does not evangelize I think it’s questionable whether or not they really care about people – as they are condemning them to eternal damnation. But I also know that “no means no”. Many religious people like you probably don’t understand that and move from evangelization to proselytization, which is evangelizing against the recipient’s will. We call that religious rape. Now, I hope you see the difference.
But since you’re not a real Christian I guess it doesn’t matter what I tell you. You are clearly violating one of Christ’s own direct orders:
Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” And they were amazed at him.
But I guess you can just cherry pick the words of Christ and substitute them with whatever you feel like. Congrats!
The Separation of Church and State is a Christian ideal. You suffer from #christianfail … You might want to look into that…

 

Very Respectfully,
Paul Loebe
Special Projects Manager
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Chicago, IL

 

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Tolerance http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/tolerance/ http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2015/01/tolerance/#comments Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:13:54 +0000 http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/?p=21233 You should remember that we are a tolerant nation.  You expect for people to respect your choice of Atheism but you are intolerant of any religious tone.

 

Proud of the military and disgusted by your organization.

(name withheld)


 

Dear (name withheld),

Mikey is really busy helping our soldiers and asked me to respond to you.

 

I’m sorry that you have been misled by the media in calling Mikey an atheist. That is a lie and they know it, but continue to use it to rile people up.

We are neither anti-God nor anti-Christian. Mikey is Jewish and prays 3 times a day to the same Father we do. A full 75% or more of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters with the MRFF are Christians. Out of our 40,000+ military clients (1 can represent 50 and 1 represents 100) are Christians. If anything, we represent Christians more than any other religion, but you won’t hear about it because that wouldn’t make a Christian angry against us.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) does NOT act on its own but on the request of the soldiers’ complaints of the blatant disregard and trampling of the Constitution and the Military Code of Justice; blurring the lines between the separation of church and state. Every complaint is vetted by Mikey who was a JAG lawyer at the Air Force Academy for 10 years; worked in the West Wing under Ronald Reagan; and held positions in private practice.

 

We are an agent- intermediator – for the soldiers whose valid complaints are not heard. When the military oversteps the bounds laid down by our Constitution and military law, we step in.

You state we are a tolerant nation. Tolerance is “the willingness to allow the existence of opinions or behavior that one does not necessarily agree with.” But, a person can become intolerant when he has had enough of putting up with something he does not like, so it may not be lasting.

The Bill of Rights is the 10 Amendments to the Constitution. The 1st Amendment states “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.’

What Mikey and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation do is guaranteed as “rights” not “toleration.” It is not something that is allowed but a right that is backed up by law.

If you are concerned about the poster at the Phoenix, Arizona Recruitment office, under law the religion of the majority in our military does not rule over other religions or those of no religious preference, under the Constitution:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment (Establishment Clause) of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise (Free Exercise Clause) thereof . . . “(1st Amendment)

 The Establishment Clause comes before the Free Exercise Clause for a reason; the Free Exercise Clause is subservient to the Establishment Clause - not the other way around as some Christians would like it to be.

The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.

Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test:

  1. Any law or policy must have been adopted with a neutral or non-religious purpose.
  2. The principle or primary effect of any law or policy must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion.
  3. The statute or policy must not result in an “excessive entanglement” of government with religion.

If any government entity’s actions fit into one of these three, then it is a violation of the Establishment Clause.

The Parker v. Levy case, decided on June 19, 1974, defined under the Uniform Code of Military Justice that “the military constitutes a specialized community governed by a separate discipline from that of the civilian…”

The rules that apply to the military do not apply to you or other Christians as civilians.

The US Army Recruiting Command in Washington, DC had the unapproved poster taken down under the Constitution and case laws.

If a soldier came to us and complained about a different God being put on the poster, we would have stepped in and had it taken down.

You have been lied to about us being an atheist organization and important information concerning the laws governing those in the military was omitted.

Pastor Joan

MRFF Advisory Board Member

 


 

Joan,

 

I am Jewish as well.

 

It would seem that the few military service personnel who requested that you act on their behalf are intolerant of the religious feelings of many of their fellow soldiers.

 

I don’t find that having the word God on the poster interfered with the Establishment Clause.  Although that is depending on interpretation.  I find the word “God” to be neutral.  As you said most religions pray to a God.  Is Adonoi, God, and Allah the same person?

 

In the Jewish religion as well as in Christianity it goes from Abraham to Issac to Jacob ….

 

I believe in the Koran it goes straight from Abraham to Mohammed.

 

In all of those three religions God is the same.

 

Buddhism, Shintoism, and other all have a God.

 

It would seem that this would only offend Atheists in which case they would seem to be intolerant of the people with whom they work with in the military.

 

I am a strong supporter of our military.

(name withheld)


 

Dear (name withheld),

I love the Jewish people and worked for a time at Synagogue.

The poster is illegal under our laws and would never have been approved if the recruiter asked for permission to print it.

 

Here’s the link that tells the whole story: http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/2015/01/16/-phoenix-mikey-weinstein-recruiting/21873217/

 

Joan

 

 

 

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