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May 23, 2009

You Jews just never stop.

Move to Israel.

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Regards,

[name withheld]


MRFF's Response:

May 24, 2009

Mikey,

This is one time I couldn't agree more with a bigot and likely right-wing Christian.

Jews never do stop. They could have stopped after being mercilessly persecuted in Spain and many forcefully converted, killed or expelled. But no. These darn Jews kept on going.

They could have stopped after the Pogroms in Russia where just being a Jew was an indictment. Jews didn't stop there either. Yup, those uppity Jews even got themselves in the middle of WWII, where just being Jewish was a death sentence and despite bringing to Europe a thriving business community, strong economy and a religion rich in tradition, culture and heritage, over six million Jews perished in the ensuing genocide. But did they stop? Not on your life. Jews didn't quit, but rather sought out and after much bloodshed, finally got a homeland up and running.

But then they stopped, right? Sorry. NO. Those that felt Jews were not real human beings set about to dislodge them from Israel, their new homeland. Bad mistake. Israeli Jews have successfully defended against many attacks and beat the snot out of would be usurpers of Israeli territory and civilization.

OK, but having defended their sovereignty successfully, they are now ready to stop and sit back and let others have their way with them, eh?

I don't think you get it. Jews will never stop. And that's because folks like [withheld] will never stop. Bigotry never sleeps. Hatred never rests. Religious hegemony never goes away. Racial and ethnic discrimination still thrive. But Jews will always survive and thrive because number one: no earthly population has ever endured what the Jews have and survived. Jews have practice at it. Jews have staying power because of racial, religious and human integrity. Number two: no one, absolutely no one can make a Latke, Cheese Blintz, or Atomic Horse Radish like the Jews. And for that alone, I, a fallen Christian, would fight to defend them to the death. Did I mention Kreplach?

Richard Baker
MRFF Regional Coordinator
Colorado Springs


May 25, 2009

Has anyone in your organization actually spent time in the military? If so, post your notarized DD214 online to give validity to your claims.

[name withheld]

Click here to read a MRFF volunteer's response,
and an exchange with this detractor


May 26, 2009

To: Mikey and The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF)

As a traditional American Jew, I consider Mikey Weinstein to be both a generic moron and a self-hating Jewish moron. I could care less either about Mikeys left wing politics or his so called distinguished career in the US Air Force. Since Mikey doesn't give a damn about his own Jewish people, please answer the following questions: Mikey, why are you antagonizing the very Christian groups who are the biggest supporters of israel, i.e the Christian Zionists?????? Why are you provoking anti-semetism among Christians and others in these very difficult and sensitive times???????

[name withheld]
Los Angeles


And a response:

May 26, 2009

Dear [withheld]:

Although I take offense at your insults against Mikey Weinstein, your concern about offending Israel’s supporters merits a response.

I have closely followed the activities of Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. Unlike you, I admire their work and support it, despite the concerns of some that this may undermine evangelical support for Israel.

I can say from personal experience that supporting both pro-Israel evangelical activities and the MRFF is not necessarily contradictory. I have forged relations with many members of Christians United for Israel and related groups, been supportive of their efforts to sponsor a local Salute to Israel (modeled on Reverend Hagee’s formulaic programs of this nature), and went to Israel on an interfaith mission with a group of evangelicals. Yet I openly voiced my opposition to evangelizing in the military. While not all have agreed with me, our differences have not compromised our relationship. To the contrary, the dialogue strengthened our friendship, mutual understanding and respect. I have the right to practice my religion and act on my principles, as do they.

But our Constitution (as Mikey Weinstein and the MRFF remind us) sets parameters on this discourse—and the military must be off-limits. Admittedly, this position may not be embraced by all. But if so, are we obliged to silence ourselves for the sake of “shalom bayit?”

Perhaps you are familiar with the age-old Yiddish refrain, Sha Shtil (Be Quiet!.) The message of a folk song that has this as its title is instructive in this matter:
Sha! Shtil! Shhh! Quiet!

The rabbi is going to dance again.
Sha shtil, makh nit keyn gevald, Be quiet, make no commotion,
The rabbi is going to dance soon.

Un az der rebe tantst, And when the rabbi dances,
Tantst dokh mit der tish, The table dances along,
Lomir ale tupn mit di fis! Let's all stamp our feet!

Un az der rebe zingt dem heylikn nign, And when the rabbi sings the holy niggun (song),
blaybt der sotn The evil one remains
a toyter lign. lying dead.

Sadly, the erosion of our liberties takes no holiday even when we put on blinders.

To cower in fear in the face of wrong may be a coping mechanism, but that is not the only option we have in this great country. While our voice may offend some, I takecomfort and guidance from Eclesiastes 3,7: There is a time for silence and a time to speak out. In conclusion, be mindful of the guiding words of our Talmud (Yevamot): Silence Means Consent.

Sincerely yours,

Jackie Jacobs
Executive Director
Columbus Jewish Foundation
Columbus, OH


Another response:

May 26, 2009

Dear [withheld] of Los Angeles,

You wouldn't happen to be a "Messianic Jew", would you? Just curious. You provide a few hints to suggest it. All that aside, I would like to address the rest of your email, taking up points in the order presented there.

You label yourself a "traditional American Jew." Do you mean you are a traditional American who happens to be Jewish, or are you a traditional Jew who happens to be American? If the latter, then as a traditional Jew, you must be aware of the sin of loshon hora. If not, well, now would be a good time to do some learning on it. It is easy enough to google.

If you mean you are a traditional American, perhaps you stand for strong conservative values, in the political sense. This still would not permit you to speak loshon hora. Worse, your statements fall under the category of motzi shem ra. Please, do google that one, also.

The mensch you have treated so un-Jewishly cares greatly about people, and about the Constitution of the United States of America, including the Bill of Rights. Those documents, themselves, exist to protect Jewish people in American, and Christian people in America, and every single other sort of people in America. There is no greater care of people of all kinds than to defend the Constitution.

You should be aware of this, as today, this very morning, President Barack Obama named a new candidate for the Supreme Court of the United States of America. That Court, as the highest level of the third branch of the American government, is the ultimate protection for these documents. One may not even pass a law with the majority of voters supporting it, if the Constitution and Bill of Rights prohibit it. You cannot pass a law promoting Christianity as the National Religion of the United States of America, even if you mistakenly believed that by doing so, you would be helping "Christian Zionists" support Israel. If you attempted to do so, however, your blind support of "Christian Zionists" would be very suspicious for occult antisemitism in you.

I have met both Christians and Muslims who, for historical reasons and for rational modern history reasons, believe Israel has a right to exist, and to exist as a Jewish nation. Unfortunately, there are also Christians who believe that the sooner Jews can be coerced to return to Israel and nuclear bombs delivered, the sooner Jesus will return and all Christians rise from the dead to spend eternity in heaven. This group also plans for all Jews to burn for eternity in hell. Such mentality exists and is being promoted in the United States military, at every level, most particularly in the highest echelons, including the Pentagon. Are these the Christians you are afraid of antagonizing? Why? Because they could just drop the bombs and forget about returning all the Jews, first? Perhaps one should ask whether these special Christians expect Messianic Jews to enter heaven or to burn in hell with the rest of us.

As for difficult and sensitive times, when has it ever been easy? Unless you fell off the turnip truck yesterday, you are forgetting quite a lot of history.

You will notice that I have resisted the gut reaction of name-calling, slandering, and accusing in response to the same from you. I have, as best I can, avoided loshon hora and motzi shem ra. That is because I am not only a proud and patriotic American, I am a traditional Jew and a zionist. Perhaps, if you approach your rabbi, he can help you learn. Then, you can email back with specific examples of Mikey's actions that have you concerned, and we can discuss them and learn together over them.

All the best,

[name withheld]


And another response...

May 26, 2009

Dear [withheld],

I was greatly disturbed with the above note you sent to a fellow Jew, and one who dares to rise to what being Jewish really is. Mr. Weinstein, rather than being self-hating, has chosen to expose and fight the creep of religious fundamentalism in the military. While the Anti Defamation League should have long ago jumped into this battle, they have not and my guess is that the reason lies in their willingness to look away from the damage Christian Zionists do to all Jews.

It is a Faustian bargain Jews have made with these people who do everything in their power to prevent peace in the Middle East - precisely the goal of people like John Hagee. Forget the nonsense about the Rapture as that is of little relevance aside from the base anti-Semitism such a theory holds. What matters are their efforts to in-gather the Jews and bring them to Israel to gpopulate the disputed territories. The Christian Zionists do everything they can to derail any peace process while at the same time politically encouraging war against Iran. They are not friends and any Jew who thinks they are is deluding himself.

Mr. Weinstein is a courageous man who speaks up for all of us. If you take a look at his work with an open mind, perhaps you'll see this.

Marji Mendelsohn


May 26, 2009

Dear [withheld],

Thank you for your recent e-mail to ADL. We appreciate your contacting our office to inquire about our support and acknowledgement of The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (Foundation).

While ADL shares many of the same concerns as the Foundation and believes that it is a well-intentioned group, we don’t always agree with the Foundation’s approach or methods.

Thank you again for contacting us.

Sincerely,

Dena Marks
ADL Associate Director

Dena:

Thanks very much for your email.

If ADL does share many of the same concerns of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation and there is a belief that it is a well intentioned group, I would be most interested in how ADL is dealing with the same issues? The writings in Harpers, GQ, Chirac disclosure and the internationally released, Al Jazeera videos seem to give the organization and their mission a legitimacy that may not have had before. It is now a fact that what Mikey Weinstein has been saying for several years is quite true.

Furthermore, perhaps ADL might consider that while his methods and approach are not to their liking, it was the only voice, absent that of ADL and many other organizations that should or could have spoken.

Back to my original question, is it time for ADL to participate and express their outrage at what is going on and doing so in whatever form or fashion ADL and it’s members think is appropriate?

This issue is much too important to refrain from action because of your disapproval with style. The substance is there. It is time to set aside petty differences and do what is right and in the best interest of us all.

I have copied Mr. Foxman and I would appreciate your giving Marvin Nathan and the local board a copy so that they might know of this serious threat facing our nation and our world.

Sincerely,

[name withheld]


May 26, 2009

To: Mikey and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation

(This email comes after watching your debate with Dr. John McArthur on CNN last year)

It is unfortunate that “Mickey” is offended by Christianity because he is Jewish or had bad experience with a faithful Soldier of Christ. Should I or others be offended by his Jewsihness because we are Christian and have had horrible expereinces with Jews trying to push their beliefs on us.. Most Jews I know and talk with, no little or nothing about Judiasm. Being Jewsish doesn’t mean one practices Judiasm, does it? There are too many Jews who know nothing about the Torah or Old Testament. As an attorney, Mickey can argue a case in court (which a person doesn’t need to be an attorney to do), but his limited knowledge of Judiasm or Chrisitan history is non existence. He should stick to arguing cases in court that have military importance rather than arguing against the God who created him and proctected him while he was flying his planes in the military.

Until he can show us that he has a theological degree, his theological opinion will consistently not be based on truth and will extremely inaccurate. When he comes to know the Truth he shall be set free and realize he is struggling not against flesh and blood, but against princiaplities and power of darkness. I am secure that Heaven is my home, that truth is my footstoll, and that the Creator of the world is my Father. Mickey, either embrace your Jewish roots and live by your 614 laws or leave your religious opinion to those who have little understanding of truth. You will never win the battle against Christianity because the battle has already been won. You will come face to face with the Creator (Jehovah God – YAHWEH) one day and He will simply ask you, “what have you done with my Son (Jesus)” and your answer will may relfect this idea, that I continued to crucify Him because I didnt believe that one time was enough. Respect the Creator as He is not pleased with your mission but is pleased with His Son’s sacrifice on the Cross for you and for the world.

Respectful
Someone who cares.

(name withheld)


May 27, 2009

Subject: Kill Two Birds With One Stone

Jesus fought against the Jewish religion.

My problem is virtually everywhere that Christianity is being opposed in the US, its by Jews. You people come to a Christian country, then you constantly whine about Christianity and try to suppress all public expression. I'm sick of it.

Like I said, if Christianity is so offensive to you, move to Israel. They're begging for Jews to move there. You could kill two birds with one stone: you'd make us Christians happy and the Jews in Israel happy. Such a deal!

[name withheld]


May 27, 2009

To: M. Weinstein and MRFF

Judaism is the religion of the pharisees. You know, the guys who murdered Jesus and who then brag about it in their rotten Talmud.

If Jesus was observing the religion of the pharisees, they wouldn't have killed Him.

[name withheld]


May 27, 2009

Two hundred years of history prove that America is a Christian country. Or else what are you campaigning for if not the de-christianization of America? You want Christianity suppressed. That's the purpose of your organization. And like virtually all other anti-Christian groups, yours' is led by Jews.

[name withheld]


May 27, 2009

Subject: Anti-Christ Jews

Here, learn something about how the anti-Christ Jews are trying to destroy America. Its coming from a Jewish convert to Christianity:

My Name Is Brother Nathanael Kapner.
I Grew Up As A Jew.
I Am Now An Orthodox Christian.

http://www.realjewnews.com/


May 27, 2009

Subject: Minority Tyranny

The government is not requiring any particular type of religion. You guys are trying to outlaw the exercise of religion by individuals. You know, none of this was an issue a hundred years ago. So why now? Because Jews, who make up 1% (or less) of all military personnel, don't like it? I call that minority tyranny.

[name withheld]


May 28, 2009

A letter to Abe Foxman, National Director
of the Anti-Defamation League

Dear Mr. Foxman,

California Council of Churches IMPACT has been a long-time ally of ADL. For many years I have worked with many wonderful California and national ADL people around our mutual interest in stopping hate crimes, and we continue to ally on these issues and support for religious freedom. Therefore I write to ask you to engage with us on yet another such concern.

CCC IMPACT is the sister organization of the California Council of Churches. Together we represent 5500 congregations within the mainstream, progressive Protestant communities of faith with a combined membership of 6.5 million people in this state. Our complete focus is on social justice, chief among which is protecting freedom of religion.

When we encountered Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation we knew we had to support MRFF's work. The stories of repression of not just our members' right to faith practices and beliefs but of the deep and abiding anti-Semitism that exists within the US armed forces were simply not something we could ignore. The pervasive coercion of our military and the rampant evangelizing of both our troops and populations overseas is not conducive to our First Amendment freedoms nor to our military's sole responsibility - upholding the Constitution.

We have long known of the assaults also upon Mr. Weinstein and his family, of the scurrilous attacks on MRFF and its work. I have been made aware of emails determining in the mind of the writer that America is a "Christian nation" (palpably untrue) and calling Mr. Weinstein any manner of disgusting anti-Semitic names, and threatening both him as a Jew and all Jews as tools of the devil. This simply cannot be left unchallenged. Not only must voices be raised on behalf of religious freedom, they must be raised on behalf of Mr. Weinstein and his family who have had their lives threatened, who have been assaulted in their home, and who bear this burden of free expression of constitutionality on behalf of all of us.

We therefore ask that you please step forward in support of MRFF and the Weinstein family. We are mindful, from other supporters, that there is a concern that standing up to ultra-conservative Dominionist Christians might cause a rift with those evangelical Christians who support Israel. We believe these are actually two different groups, and urge you to wade the waters to separate them. Defending Israel is simply not possible if defending Judaism and the right to religious freedom here in America cannot go forward. The stories of anti-Semitism within all branches of the military simply must be challenged, and we call upon you to join us in that effort.

I look forward to a long and enduring relationship between us and ADL on these concerns. I also look forward to hearing from you about how we might support you as you support MRFF and the work it is doing on behalf of all our members and their right to practice their religion openly, honestly, and without retaliation.

Sincerely,

Elizabeth Sholes
Director of Public Policy
California Council of Churches/California Church IMPACT


May 28, 2009

Subject: No Mercy On Christians

To: MRFF

Anti-Jewish pogroms often happened for economic reasons like, for example, Jewish tax collectors gouging the people. The kings of old often used Jews for such things since they could rely on them to have no mercy on the king's Christian subjects.

[name withheld]


May 29, 2009

Mikey,

Foxman and the ADL have to decide if they have the courage of their convictions, or if they're willing to continue to sell both their constituents and supporters down the river in order to maintain their friendship with the Christian Evangelical Community who would, by the way, sell the ADL down the river at the drop of a hat....and in fact, are doing so already. The Evangelical Community only supports Israel out of selfish reasons - they seek only to use "the Jews" to achieve their twisted goals....and, in fact, they are already achieving their goals - already, they have been given access to nearly every Jewish home via evangelizing Christian cable TV programming, despite Israeli law making proselytizing illegal in Israel....and, I won't even address their twisting messianic fantasies! Evangelicals will never respect Jews or any other non-Christians, nor will they ever respect our rights; their pervasive philosophy of supersessionism extends well beyond their views regarding the relationship between the Jewish and Christian faiths, they believe that Christian faith also supersedes the Constitution of the United States - these ridiculous human beings will never rest until they achieve power over everyone and everything and thus have the ability to inflict and impose their will on everyone and everything. They will never stop - NEVER.

Click here to read more...


May 31, 2009

To a MRFF supporter and volunteer:

what can I say---you found me out. Now I know what they say about you Jew girls is absolutely true. I suppose those Reform types just can't deal with you smart, sophisticated Jew Princesses and that's why they marry dumb, but beautiful shiksees---isn't that what you call them. I'm one of those good ol boys from the hill country of Tennessee. I only had Jews on my maternal side---you know like Elvis, and yes I really do believe you should take Jeezus into your heart. In fact I have a little plastic Jeezus mounted on my car dash! "I don't care if it rains or freezes---cause I have my plastic Jeezus"! Won't you take Jeezus as your Saviour---my precious little Jew woman!

[name withheld]


June 1, 2009

Dear MRFF,

This entire foundation is a complete sham. Use of the word "freedom" is just laughable. I recently read about the destruction of privately owned Bibles by the US military in Afghanistan that were printed in the local language for the people of that region. Seems highly hypocritical for Mikey Weinstein's MRFF to advocate the chaplain be court-martialled for simply encouraging voluntary evangelism. This brightly highlights the issue of motivation. I can sum it up in a single word - FEAR. I am motivated by a fear of the LORD. It's group's like MRFF, rooted in atheistic philosophy, that are motivated by a fear of being wrong.

Atheism is purely selfish. It is a mindset that rejects any authority outside of self. There is a desire to be ultimately accountable to no one. However, there is obviously a constant internal struggle with this concept due to the overwhelming external evidence for a divine Creator. The atheistic mind absolutely has to consider the possibility that it has not quite decoded all of the mysteries of this world and the universe for that matter. The conscious or unconscious anxiety created by these thoughts must be dissipated. The solution seems to be a relentless attempt to silence the Word of God and persuade others to adopt the atheistic lifestyle.

Consider the analogy:

There was a man doing 90mph in a 70mph zone when everyone else on the road was driving at the posted limit. He realized he would be quite conspicuous to any vigilant state trooper and this caused no small amount of anxiety while driving his brand new sports car. This same man was out driving the same stretch of interstate not even a full week later but this time every other car on the road was travelling at 85mph. He smiled, relaxed, and cruised at this pace all the way to his destination. Interestingly, he did not get pulled over on either of these trips down the interstate. However, he and others had failed to notice the sign posted in black and white reading "Area Enforced with Photo Radar". Two tickets arrived in his mailbox one week later.

Please repent. Seek the Lord while he may be found.

"Born Again"


MRFF's Response:

June 1, 2009

Dear Born Again,

Thank you for your recent e-mail to MRFF. We respect all points of view; even those we have found to be troublesome due to what might be called religious extremism. There is a sorrow that envelopes this type of communication because frequently found therein is a desperation to validate beliefs that often results in violence.

Our founder and president, Mikey Weinstein and family have been the victims of violence, directed at them by people who claim to be followers of that wonderful Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ. Imagine someone committing violence in the name of Jesus.

I am sorry you are afraid of your God. I think many would prefer a more cordial relationship. Fear that one's God is ever present and monitoring every move and thought frankly is not a healthy situation and can cause much anxiety. Most prefer to exercise that free will with which it is said we are all gifted. Also, acting out of fear is a bit paranoid.

There is barely time to work, raise kids, and love your wife in our short excursion on Earth never mind "decode the mysteries of the Universe." Perhaps your quest for answers reflects an innate predilection to being controlled or directed by others. This is also known as masochism.

The Bibles to which you refer were to be distributed illegally and in direct violation of Central Command's General Order 1 A. They were not privately owned but rather were printed and shipped in bulk to Chaplains in that theater. The Bibles were printed in Dari and Pashto, two local languages. The intent was to circumnavigate the order by having troops pass out the Bibles individually and then be re-supplied and pass out more in a continuing proselytizing scheme.

I imagine the local populace may have felt somewhat inclined to accept these Bibles from heavily armed American troops.

Mr. Weinstein is not an Atheist, although he sees nothing wrong in being one. He is Jewish and says his family is also blessed with a number of Christians. Strangely they all seem to get along quite well. His goal and that of MRFF is to protect our young men and women in the armed forces and service academies from insidious coercive religious proselytizing. To date, over 12,000 complaints are being reviewed by MRFF and virtually 100 % of them result from command sponsored Christian evangelizing .

The group primarily involved in this proselytizing are known as "Pre-Millennial Reconstructionist's" or "Dominion Christians" whose end goal is world domination in preparation for Jesus return. This is a militant organization with many branches. A complete list is available yo to on request.

[withheld], there is do desire on the part of Mr. Weinstein or MRFF to convert or otherwise deter Christians or anyone else from their beliefs. Frankly, it has been a case of the reverse.

To learn more about MRFF's mission and to help fellow Christians in the grip of coercive efforts to instill in them militant and unconstitutional practices please go to our web site:
http://militaryreligiousfreedom.org/

Let me suggest one more thing. Love beats fear by a mile. May I suggest that less fear and more love on your part might just ease your path through life?

Richard Baker
Regional Coordinator
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Colorado Springs


And another response:

June 1, 2009

Mikey,

What a clown! "Born Again" needs to put down the Bible and pick up a dictionary if he wants to talk about what atheism really is. It has nothing at all to do with accountability, selfishness, or rejection of authority. Most atheists reach their views by sticking to epistemological skepticism, the position that evidence is required to accept any belief. It is an intellectual position, not a moral evasion. Atheists choose to follow many different secular moral codes, and only a small minority profess moral nihilism. We don't believe there is any such thing as a god so we couldn't possibly reject that "authority" any more than he "rejects" the authority of fairies and elves. Cold hard reality is the ultimate authority of what is good or bad for us.

I'd offer him an analogy of my own:

There was a man doing 75mph in an 55mph zone. He loses control around a curve, crashes into a tree and dies. Moral of the story: Intelligent people don't need any "authority" to figure out that our actions have consequences. There was a man doing 75mph in a 75mph zone. He loses control around a curve, crashes into a tree and dies. The moral of that story? "Authorities" can be wrong. Those of us capable of thinking for ourselves are far more moral than those who blindly follow the commandments of Bronze Age priests.

Born right the first time,
[name withheld]


June 2, 2009

Subject: You're my heroes

Don't mean to waste your time. Barely knew of your existence, but I just read an article about you guys by Jeff Sharlet, and I just wanted to say you guys are my heroes. Just as people often greet service men and woman by saying, "Thank you for serving", I want to say: Thank you for standing up.

[name withheld]


June 3, 2009

Dear MRFF,

Unconstitutional religious proseytizing will continue to be a serious problem When I attended the service for [military member's name withheld] at the Chapel at Ft. [military installation name withheld], the military chaplain said, as closely as I can quote: "our soldiers are fighting for Jesus Christ our savior, not their comrades and not the flag. And therefore our military leaders need to follow the teachings of Jesus if they desire to lead." I was shocked as were several other members of the audience. What it had to do with [4 Star General's name withhheld] is beyond me.

[name withheld; the writer is a highly decorated service academy graduate and military veteran]


June 5, 2009

Dear Mikey and MRFF,

My name is [name withheld] and I am a [age withheld] year old [military rank withheld] serving in the United States Army at Fort Hood, Texas. I am a Iraq combat veteran as well. Though raised in a Christian environment, I am also a non-believer from a religious perspective. I understand that the army is not a democracy, but yet it is also not an organization where you are supposed to proselytize to someone against their will.

It started Monday evening, June 1, '09, when I was asked by my wife whether I was going to the brigade town hall meeting. She had received an email from the Family Readiness Group.. I usually don't attend these meetings unless I have to go. I told her that I was not going to the meeting which started the next day at 6pm, well after work hours. The next morning, I was told by my company First Sergeant that the meeting was mandatory, so all the soldiers had to be there with the exception of the people that were on leave. The way that it works leading up to the meeting is that everyone with school age kids or spouses would leave work at 4pm to get their families ready to be there at 6pm in time for the meeting. Everyone else would leave work at 5pm. My spouse usually does not get off work until after 6pm so they told me I had to stay at work. Come 5pm, I only had time to run to my house to let the dog use the restroom and then turn around to go right to the meeting. I did not have time to shower or do anything else between that time.. I arrived at the meeting right at 6pm and I had to park almost a quarter of a mile away because all of the lots were full. I entered the gymnasium and I ran into my First Sergeant who told me that I had to sign in on the sign-in roster. I then took a seat in the bleachers and waited about 10 minutes for the meeting to start.

The meeting started with the Military Police talking about how to be safe if the spouses' soldier were to deploy overseas, then it was proceeded by Criminal Investigative Division. While Criminal Investigative Division was talking, I got out of the bleachers because I was really uncomfortable sitting there and stood along the outside of the basketball court. I could not quite make out what Criminal Investigative Division was saying because the guy did not have a lot of projection in his voice as well as the children that were playing. Then the brigade chaplain got up to talk. When he first got the floor, he said that it would only take his message would only take 5 minutes.

I hear him start talking about all people being sinners. He actually went so far as to ask for a show of hands as to "who was for Jesus". He then said like we were all imperfect and that god was the only perfect being. At this point I was really shocked and I even mentioned it to a few people that were standing near me.I tried to leave the gym but I noticed there was the First Sergeant and the battalion Command Sergeant Major standing by the doors.I knew that there was no way they'd allow me to exit the gym. I was completely trapped there as a true captive audience for my military chain of command to proselytize me about Jesus Christ. Everyone in that gym was also trapped. The speech went on and on about loving jesus and the benefits you would get from loving jesus.

At this point I was deeply offended because he had the audacity to say those things at an event that was supposed to be about the move to Korea. The next morning I asked a few people that said that it was a waste of their time but there was nothing they could do about it. So later that morning, I called Inspector General to file a complaint. I was told by the guy that there was not much I could do because I am in the army and we get mandatory briefings all the time i.e. sexual assault, Army Substance Abuse Programs, suicide prevention, etc. I told him that religion had nothing to do with those subjects. I told him that it was not the message itself that I was offended by, it was the fact that I was forced to go there in the first place. My point that I tried to make to him was that, they should have not made it mandatory and that they knew who they had speaking at the meeting before hand. I was told by Inspector General that if there were any spiritual fitness briefings that were mandatory, then I would most likely have to go. I told him that would not be right because I would then be held against my will for an event that has nothing to do with my profession nor any part of my military career. I told him that it was not spiritual fitness that got me through combat, it was physical and mental fitness that did.

Fort Hood has a standing order with the post commander that all soldiers have to be gone by 5 pm.. To call a mandatory meeting and then get preached to was way out of line. It is not just because I am a non believer either. What about all the other people such as the Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, etc who went there to have their time wasted and be made to feel terribly inferior and not a true member of the Army "family"? What about the oath we all swore to the Constitution and not to Jesus?

[name withheld]


June 5, 2009

Jews as Americans? It's possible you're ignorant of your own history I suppose. Your (sic) surely not ignorance of your race though! No never. Which is why you always remain apart from the whole. Do you reject Zionism? Fat chance altho a few of you do. Screw the flag waving. Its race that matters. The jews know that better than anyone.

[name withheld]


June 6, 2009

To Mikey Weinstein and military Religious Freedom Foundation,

What is it about Jews that they are up to their eyeballs in financial chicanery, ambulance chasing, pornography, lying thru their mainstream media teeth. That the wealthy doctor who died when his private plane went down in Montana, crashing into a Christian cemetary and killing him, his wife and children, had made millions from owning several abortion clinics and was, big surprise, jewish! The story reported? California doctor and family die in small plane crash.

And you want to spread the lie that there is no religious freedom in the military...shame on you.

Want to be jewish? The spawn of Satan? Hardly. I'll side with the angels.

[name withheld]


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