Mikey

When you get what you want we will inhabit a world full of people who are utterly remorseless (planned parenthood). When this comes to pass Mikey what will protect you. Our president had to liken crusaders to modern muslims to justify the present day blood bath occurring on the Middle East. I can’t think of any overt acts of violence perpetrated in the name of Christ, but I can think of 10’s of thousands of horrors committed in the name of muhammad. To compare the organization who appears at every natural disaster in the world, or war zone, or any atrocity to devil worship is sick. You have to trudge into the past to justify your current hate. Like it or not the constitution is full of our Christian God. There are more of us than you. You have moved to quickly and we are awake to your horrible ways. Persecute those who cherish life and embrace those who kill unborn children. I am not sure of your end game or what you expect to accomplish by your terrible nature. hope you don’t get what you want Mikey because we believe and we will fight hard to defend our RIGHTS. I have never seen more frightening developments around the world and I am sure you people think you are somehow above the fray you are creating. You are not Mikey, you are known to millions and your advocacy of a world that allows a place like Iran to possess nuclear weapons will ensure the world you seek will come to pass. When chaos rules where will Mikey RUN.

(name withheld)


Dear (name withheld),

You wrote: “I can’t think of any overt acts of violence perpetrated in the name of Christ”. You could’ve stopped that sentence at “I can’t think” and we would’ve gotten the point. 

I am 100% certain that you’ve never read the Constitution, but you haven’t let that stop you from having a strong opinion about what you think it says, have you? Like it or not, the US Constitution is a completely godless document. That’s a fact. 

I don’t know what you think Planned Parenthood has to do with MRFF. I guess I shouldn’t assume that you’re thinking at all since we’ve already established your deficiencies in that arena.

Find something different to do with your time, JT. Get a hobby. Read a book. I’m sure there is something better that you could be doing, rather than vomiting your ignorance all over the internet.

Dustin Chalker
MRFF Atheist Affairs Advisor


Dear “Name Withheld”:

Mikey sent me your e-mail and asked if I could reply as he was involved in more important things and couldn’t leave the bathroom.

I just want you to be aware that the delusional world you inhabit doesn’t exist in reality.  There’s an old saying in psychiatry: “Neurotics build castles in the clouds; psychotics live in them”.  You are living in a cloud of Christian nationalist propaganda (unsupported by any factual data, and note:  belief does not make fact) and are infected with as virulent a strain of Islamophobia as is possible to be had.

The fact that you “…can’t think of any overt acts of violence perpetrated in the name of Christ” suggests your mental faculties are not merely impaired, but are beyond resuscitation. The litany of Christian terrorism in the U.S. alone demonstrates either your utter and abysmal ignorance or that you ignore the ‘thou shalt not bear false witness…” commandment – odd for someone ostensibly caught up in religious fervor (but not unusual, in the same way the cancer is common, but not normal… do you understand?  So many ‘believers’ are intent on demanding others follow the ‘rules’ but somehow believe themselves above those same rules).  The list of Christian violence, in the name of Christ, over the span of the last 1,700 years against, Jews, Muslims, other Christians, Indigenous peoples, and Nature speaks to your ignorance or deceit.

Lastly (I could go on, point by point, but that would likely be pointless), your fetishization of a clump of cells unable to exhibit any human characteristics (beyond their genome; like the billions of cells we slough off our bodies daily, or in your case off your cerebral cortex) and elevating them to the status of being worshiped is akin to idolatry and, along with most of your other statements, if further proof of your delusional beliefs.  Be aware, since abortion was not available when your so-called ‘sacred texts’ were written, there is no specific proscription against it.

Please excuse my writing under a pseudonym.  I have no desire to be trolled by religious bigots & fanatics; but since you also wrote ‘in the blind’, I’ve no doubt you fully understand.

‘Name Withheld’, you are desperately in need of intensive psychiatric intervention, please check yourself into the nearest mental facility posthaste.  Once released, please seek education; I suggest you begin at Middle School.

Mashalldoc.


Good Morning (name withheld),
I don’t know how closely you follow the news, but planned parenthood prevents more abortions than abstinence only programs (or even legislation against abortion) ever has a hope to stop.  They do that by providing women with access to birth control.  And on the rare occasions that they do perform abortions, they are providing safe abortions to women who would most likely be seeking out alternative, much riskier, methods of accomplishing the same goal.  Those aren’t remorseless people, they are people with empathy who recognize the value of human life.  That has nothing to do with our organization, or our mission though.  Just my personal take on the matter.
I know you can’t think of any overt acts of violence taken in the name of Christ, so I’ll list a few here for you:

Murders

In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort; Seven murders occurred in the 1990s.

Arson, bombing, and property crime

According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid (“stink bombs“).[ibc 6] The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993.[ibc 11] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[ibc 12] Incidents have included:
  • May 26, 1983: Joseph Grace set the Hillcrest clinic in Norfolk, Virginia ablaze. He was arrested while sleeping in his van a few blocks from the clinic when an alert patrol officer noticed the smell of kerosene.[ibc 13]
  • May 12, 1984: Two men entered a Birmingham, Alabama clinic shortly after a lone woman opened the doors at 7:45 am. Forcing their way into the clinic, one of the men threatened the woman if she tried to prevent the attack while the other, wielding a sledgehammer, did between $7,500 and $8,000 of damage to suction equipment. The man who damaged the equipment was later identified as Father Edward Markley. Father Markley is a Benedictine Monk who was the Birmingham diocesan “Coordinator for Pro-Life Activities”. Markley was convicted of first-degree criminal mischief and second-degree burglary. His accomplice has never been identified. Following the Birmingham incident, Markley entered the Women’s Community Health Center in Huntsville Alabama, assaulting at least three clinic workers. One of the workers, Kathryn Wood received back injuries and a broken neck vertebrae. Markley was convicted of first-degree criminal mischief and three counts of third-degree assault and harassment in the Huntsville attack.[ibc 14]
  • December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians’ offices in Pensacola, Florida, were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings “a gift to Jesus on his birthday.”[ibc 15][ibc 16][ibc 17] The clinic, the Ladies Center, would later be the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994 and a firebombing in 2012.
  • March 29, 1993: Blue Mountain Clinic in Missoula, Montana; at around 1 a.m., an arsonist snuck onto the premises and firebombed the clinic. The perpetrator, a Washington man, was ultimately caught, convicted and imprisoned. The facility was a near-total loss, but all of the patients’ records, though damaged, survived the fire in metal file cabinets.[ibc 18][ibc 19][ibc 20]
  • May 21, 1998: Three people were injured when acid was poured at the entrances of five abortion clinics in Miami, Florida.[ibc 21]
  • October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[ibc 22]
  • May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire, resulted in several thousand dollars’ worth of damage. The case remains unsolved.[ibc 23][ibc 24][ibc 25] This was the second arson at the clinic.[ibc 26]
  • September 30, 2000: John Earl, a Catholic priest, drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building, who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.[ibc 27]
  • June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington, destroyed a wall, resulting in $6,000 in damages.[ibc 22][ibc 28]
  • July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida, was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[ibc 22]
  • December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there.[ibc 29]
  • September 11, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan, crashed his car into the Edgerton Women’s Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions; however, Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.[ibc 30]Time magazine listed the incident in a “Top 10 Inept Terrorist Plots” list.[ibc 31]
  • April 25, 2007: A package left at a women’s health clinic in Austin, Texas, contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.[ibc 32]
  • May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[ibc 33]
  • December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd’s clinic in Albuquerque. Baca’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.[ibc 34][ibc 35]
  • January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness[ibc 36] rammed an SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.[ibc 37]
  • January 1, 2012 Bobby Joe Rogers, 41, firebombed the American Family Planning Clinic in Pensacola, Florida, with aMolotov cocktail; the fire gutted the building. Rogers told investigators that he was motivated to commit the crime by his opposition to abortion, and that what more directly prompted the act was seeing a patient enter the clinic during one of the frequent anti-abortion protests there. The clinic had previously been bombed at Christmas in 1984 and was the site of the murder of Dr. John Britton and James Barrett in 1994.[ibc 38]
  • April 1, 2012 A bomb exploded on the windowsill of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Grand Chute, Wisconsin, resulting in a fire that damaged one of the clinic’s examination rooms. No injuries were reported.
  • April 11, 2013 A Planned Parenthood clinic in Bloomington, Indiana, was vandalized with an axe.[ibc 39]
  • September 4, 2015 A Planned Parenthood clinic in Pullman, Washington was the victim of a fire intentionally set. No injuries were reported due to the time of day, but the FBI was involved because of a history of domestic terrorism against the clinic.[ibc 40]
I figured that would touch fairly close to home, considering you are a staunch women-are-incubators advocate. September 4, 2015 wasn’t too far in the past.  And I’m leaving out all of those inconvenient truths about the KKK being a Christian organization, Anders Breivik, and oh so many more.  But to get to the REALLY juicy stuff, I have a trivia question for you.  What christian nationalist movement in the early to mid 20th century rallied under the slogan “God is with us”?   I’ll let you find the answer to that on your own, as it might surprise you just how violently Christ’s followers like to spread their love.
It’s really extraordinarily ironic though that you start your note to us by telling us that Christians are good peaceful folks, then finish it with a thinly veiled threat telling us we should “RUN”.  I’m sure you are as blind to your hypocrisy as you are to our mission (which BTW, has absolutely nothing to do with planned parenthood, Obama, or Iran getting nukes).
Get a grip man,
Please!
Sincerely,
Blake A. Page
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Special Assistant to the President
Director of US Army Affairs

Dear (name withheld),

Whoever you are, the above tract is full of so much absolute intransigence and dogmatism with so little substance to justify it that it’s hard to know how to respond.

You are wrong in so many ways it’s probably a waste of time to point them out. My sense is that you’re so sold on your own pathetic worldview that there’s little point in entering into a debate.

Who is the “us” that you suggest has larger numbers than the “you” I take to mean Mikey? “We will fight hard to defend our RIGHTS” means what? What rights do you think are being taken away?

I think it’s clear that you are predicting that the world you find so frightening is descending into a chaotic state. I think you’d find it to be less frightening if you’d allow yourself access to better information. Just about every instance you describe or entity you reference betrays a closed mind and a pathetically parochial and stultified viewpoint that doesn’t reflect reality.

If you’d allow yourself to know that the MRFF is actually protecting the freedom of religious choice of the women and men in our military it would ease your burden considerably. The same can be said about all the other people, organizations, faiths and actions you’ve chosen to make up your list of horribles.

I guess all I can say is this: though you can’t seem to understand it, we do not oppose your belief system; we do not have a political agenda; we are not your enemy. The vast majority of our clients, staff, supporters and friends are Christians, but they all understand the critical importance to our freedom of separating our government from any promotion of any religion.

I wish you well.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)


 

Hi (name withheld) –

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, such as they are, with the MRFF.  Mikey Weinstein has read your screed and asked me to share my thoughts in response.  I’m a lifelong, committed, and active Christian; a graduate of the USAF Academy (’85); and a USAF veteran.
To be honest, I had a hard time following much of your train of thought, but let me address at least a portion of what I think you are saying.
You take issue with some of the commentary you’ve heard from the President about Christians and Muslims, and that is fine.  No one at the MRFF speaks for the President, and neither does he speak for us. So I’ve got nothing for you on those points – perhaps you should write to the President directly.
There are a couple of statements you make that I do understand, and which I’d like to challenge —-
You say – “Like it or not the constitution is full of our Christian God.”
I’m not sure where you see those references.  In my copy of the Constitution the only references to any sort of religious belief are in the context that (a.) all Americans are entitled to freedom of religion; and (b.) our governmental institutions are proscribed from doing things that establish preference from one religious belief (including non-belief) over other religious beliefs (including non-belief).  So no, there is no favoritism toward our Christian God in the US Constitution.
You say – “There are more of us than you.”
I find this statement chilling, almost threatening.  You are correct that the majority of Americans are people of faith, and the majority of those people of faith are Christians of one kind or another.  But Constitutional rights are not doled out based upon majority vote — everyone is equally entitled to the same rights, whether they are one-of-millions, or one-of-one.  Even Alexander Hamilton, a framer and father of the Constitution, warned against the risk that a tyranny of the majority might trample the rights of the minority. So being that there is a majority of Christians in America (myself included), that only means we have an even greater responsibility to help protect the Constitutional rights of the minority.
As for the rest of your note, I support your right to express your thoughts, even if I find them largely incomprehensible.  But thanks again for writing.
Peace,
Mike Challman
Christian, USAF veteran, MRFF supporter

Dear (name withheld)  –

I am writing in response to your October 12, 2015 email to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (“MRFF”).  As upset as you appear to be with MRFF, I assure you it is nothing to how upset I am about the time I lost attempting to decipher your rambling, ignorant, stream-of-consciousness email.

 

You attempt to express some vague political opinions about Planned Parenthood and nuclear weapons, yet you fail to mention a single act by MRFF with which you disagree.  The closest you come to even almost referencing the work of MRFF is the statement, “Like it or not the [C]onstitution is full of our Christian God.”  This is simply not a fact – there is absolutely no mention of God anywhere in the Constitution.

 

To the contrary, the Founders very specifically decided to create a government based on democratic principles, rather than religious principles.  The First Amendment protects the freedom to practice any religion (or no religion) – not just Christianity.  It further prohibits the establishment of any particular religion.  Additionally, Article 6 provides, “No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust.”

 

These are the constitutional protections we fight to ensure for all brave men and women in uniform.  You say you will fight to defend your rights, yet we are the ones fighting to defend rights.  From what I can tell, you don’t do anything other than steal valuable oxygen from those around you.

 

Blessed be,

 

Tobanna Barker

MRFF Legal Affairs Coordinator


Dear Mike Challman,

This is a rarely used account, so I missed your reply, but luckily I found it tonight.  As far as the time you lost deciphering my Oct message, you did take the time, so it appears you are not so busy after all.  I liken your ilk to that of all the other communist in the democratic party.  Whether they be dedicated to removing religion from a country expressly founded on Christian values, or releasing hundreds of millions of dollars to the blood thirsty Iranians, you are all cut from the same ilk.  As much as you detest the fact that Christianity is the foundation of this country, it is important to remember that when the Constitution was written, the only possible explanation for the existence of the Universe was  special creation.  Therefore, all of the delegates at the Philadelphia convention were creationists.   Whether it be planned parenthood, your organization, or any other who’s purpose is to undermine the fabric our society, you exist solely to rip this country to tatters.  What your group profess to stand for, freedom from religion, is a farce, a cover for anarchy.  The separation between church and state exist simply to prevent  against the sort of tyranny you see in Iran, a theocracy.  It isn’t there to say that this country isn’t a Christian one.  on the contrary, the founders writings are packed full of their devotion to God, and the important role he played in all of their decisions. So, regarding the founding of the country you are so desperate to fundamentally transform, it was only God motivating the men who gave us the prosperity and freedom you require to preach your beliefs.  I pity the company you keep.  To be such an angry person, you must completely despise your existence and exude a terrible negative energy.   In case you haven’t looked around lately, America didn’t become the most prosperous nation on earth because of godlessness.  This country has become what it is today without any influence from haters like yourself.  After all, your movement has only gained momentum since a wolf in sheep’s clothing, like yourself, has taken the presidency.   Also this message is typed, just as the previous message was typed, so not a whole lot of oxygen being wasted here.  Cant wait for your petty, childish response.  Just one more place to unload some of your densely packed rage.

P.S.

As far as chilling, it doesn’t take much to startle you does it.  There are more of us than you.  That is simply a statement of fact.  As for you professing to be a man of the cloth,  I can say all day long I am the queen of England, that doesn’t make it true.  Back to chilling.  Is the IRS destroying 7 hard drives to conceal their criminal activity, and Obama stating with certainty that there had been no wrong doing chilling?  Chilling is the FBI claiming Hillary didn’t commit any crimes.  Chilling is the end result in Venezuela, and the path you liberal zombies have placed us on to join them in failure.   Chilling is the number of illegal aliens pouring across the border, and the resurgence of sicknesses that have for years been eradicated in America.  Chilling is Obama inviting the Muslim Brotherhood into the White House.  Chilling is the dramatic increase in my cost of living since liberals have controlled the presidency.  Chilling is the state of affairs at the VA, and the fact that the Gov’t is desperate to bring each and everyone of us into the same failed health care plan.  Chilling is, etc…etc…etc…  Chilling is simply everything that men such as yourself, and the rest of you criminal loving Democrats, profess to care about.  I don’t think I am going out on a limb here when I say that I am sure you were bullied when you were young.  Why else would you pretend to be something your not, and work toward the destruction of a critical, and cherished, component in this nations success, GOD.  There are no atheist in fox holes.  Your probably a draft dodging type of person anyhow.  I can absolutely see you chickening out on the pretense of religion.  After all, your sort has no problem using the things you despise, in this case religion, to your benefit when it suites you.   If you find this message to be broad reaching, it is only because I understand you to be just one spoke on the same wheel, and therefore, complicit in all the criminal and insidious activities undertaken by the anarchist who constitute Democrat party.  Consider this question.  Our country founded on Christian principal’s, and the entire Muslim world ruled by their religion, who is more successful, stable, profitable?  Why did the Russians have to build a wall to keep people in, and why do we need to build one to keep people out?  Check out Google Earth at night.  The only places lit up like light bulbs are the countries who have adopted an American style of democracy.  You can still see the line between East and west Europe.  Lights equals, electricity, MRI’s, refrigeration, transportation, success, etc…  All of these thing and more were accomplished long before you decided to start bitching and moaning.  Your probably a global warming person also.  Check out Climate Gate and see for yourself the lies.

(name withheld)


Dear (name withheld),

You are a strange bird, JT.  So much emotion and so many presumptions about who I am and what I believe.  Even some odd accusations that I somehow exude “negative energy” as a “hater” filled with “densely packed rage”.  I’m curious to know what I’ve said to you that you believe represents a “petty, childish response”… as far as I know, I have only addressed you with civility, although you’ve not deigned to respond in a similar manner.  But no worries.

Just to clear up a few of the more egregious misstatements in your note –
1 – America is not a “Christian” nation. We are a nation comprised of a diverse citizenry who hold a plurality of beliefs about religion… and all of those citizens are entitled to the same rights, privileges, and protections under the Constitution.
2 – I’m not a Democrat.  In any case, I fail to see how my political party affiliation has any bearing on our discussion.
3 – I’m not a “draft dodging type of person”.  I am a USAF veteran with four deployments to the Persian Gulf, and now a proud, lifetime member of the VFW.
4 – MRFF’s mission is to support the Constitutional rights of all members of the US military, at all levels and of all manner of religious belief (including non-belief).  We do not oppose any particular sectarian religious belief, nor do we oppose the right of any military member to hold and practice whatever religious beliefs they wish to hold and practice.
Hope this clarification helps.
Peace,
MC

 Dear Mike,
 Honestly I think this is kinda fun. Your hell bent on removing religion from the services, from the very men who pledge their lives, and are ready to die. It’s simple, mind your business, and leave em alone. Why do you care. I know your an unhappy person because your days are filled by taking from people. Besmirching centuries of tradition because you feel excluded or something. I think most people would call you a pretender.
(NAME WITHHELD)

I dunno, JT, it’s less fun when you continue to share meandering thoughts without actually saying anything substantive. Once you have a cogent thought to share, we might have something to discuss. It’s obvious you have no interest in discussing anything that actually pertains to the work of the MRFF.

But I’m glad you are entertaining yourself.

Peace, MC

No, I want nothing to do with a priest who works toward the removal of religion from all walks of society. Well as afar as substance goes, perhaps you don’t read well, it’s very cut a dry. Every founding father was a man of faith, therefore religion is woven into the very fibers of all of their works, yes that includes our founding documents. I don’t see any other perspective. Your organization has only begun its efforts to undermine our religious values based society, and cannot claim any status in the founding.  Or at least as much credit as Obama gave the Muslims for their whole hearted participation in our revolution. Don’t know what we would have done without them.  It’s confounding how you think you are helping, in fact I am certain you know you are doing the exact opposite. In my world that makes you unworthy of decent company. Luckily I’ve seen the kind of life that populates your party, and they sure look like a bunch of unhealthy, unstable, untrustworthy, and always unwelcome in the decent company I keep. As I said, I see you only as one dirty spoke on a wheel mired in filth.
Your up good Christian.
(name withheld)

Dear (name withheld),
Rest assured, your opinion of me is well understood, even if it is based upon erroneous assumptions about both my beliefs and my actions.  I will admit some confusion about your continued references to a priest.  Are you referring to me?  I’m a lot of things, but definitely not a priest.

So to once again state the obvious — neither I nor the MRFF “works toward the removal of religion from all walks of society”.
As to your observations about our founding generation, you’ll get no argument from me that they were, by and large, men of faith.  And yet, the Constitution which they crafted goes to great lengths to represent a vision for our country that it should never be ruled by religious interests. In particular, you may want to contemplate why our founders, if they wanted “men of faith” to be running things, included a clause in Article 6 which explicitly requires that “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”  Your insistence that you are unable to “see any other perspective” other than your own means very little in the face of the bare facts.
Still, feel free to keep up the name-calling and aspersion-casting… I’m sure it is doing something to build your self-worth, and I’ve no doubt that you are acting as a great representative of whatever religious denomination is proud to claim you as a member.
Peace, MC

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  1. DaveG

    “I can’t think of any overt acts of violence perpetrated in the name of Christ”.
    Hmmm…
    Murder of Hypatia?
    Crusades?
    Today’s Columbus day: he’s been outed as a Genocidal maniac in the name of the Crown of Spain, a Catholic Nation.
    I think that’ll do.

  2. Connie

    I’m still angry about the library at Alexandria. I believe that was Christians ‘saving’ all of us from that ‘pagan’ knowledge.

    Lets move closer – how about how the Catholics treated the indigenous peoples of South and North America.

    Salem Witch Trials. Enough said on that.

    How about how Protestant Christians rounded up Native American children into “Christian Schools”, cutting the kids hair, forbidding them to speak their native language.

    I’m sure there is more but I’m stepping away from the computer because these claims of Jesus never hurt anyone make me so mad. People have used their religion to oppress others for as long as there has been religion – only the flavor has changed over time. I wish folks would wake up and smell the history – I’m tired of repeating it.

  3. Yeshua Warrior

    Dave G,

    Murder at Hypathia, really, that is the best you can do. What I read said that she was “murdered by a Christian mob.” I am sure they were not the truly born again saved Christians. The word Christian is an over used term today and I am sure it was back then as well. The Nazi’s thought they were Christians, Catholics think they are Christians, Mormons think they are Christians, most people who are neither Jews or Muslims think they are Christians!

    Not sure where you are getting your ideas that Columbus was a genocidal manic, more and more history is showing that most likely he was Jewish and escaping the Spanish Inquistion which just so happened to be in the year 1492, ring a bell? And, if memory serves me right, it was Catholics who were persecuting Jews and kicking them out of Spain which is par for the course since the Catholic church has always remained anti-Semitic,

    Let’s see, the Crusades, most of the were Catholics or Anglicans were are not the most committed Christians.

  4. Yeshua Warrior

    Connie,

    There is no proof that Christians burned down the library at Alexandria. Here are the most 4 possible perpetrators of it I found – Ancient and modern sources identify four possible occasions for the partial or complete destruction of the Library of Alexandria: Julius Caesar’s fire during his civil war in 48 BC; the attack of Aurelian in AD 270 – 275; the decree of Coptic Patriarch Theophilus in 391 AD; and the Muslim conquest of Egypt in (or after) AD 642.[2] So let’s not be quick to blame Christians like Palestinians
    always blame Israeli’s.

    Once again, the majority of Catholics are not Christians.

    It was not Christians who executed Christians, but the magistrates of the town who judged them.

    Regarding the Native Americans, well throw yourself in there as well, we all played a part in the oppression of Native Americans. I would not call cutting their hair “persecution” really? Have you heard what ISIS is doing to Syrian Christians?? Instead of cutting off hair, they are cutting off childrens heads and probably raping them as well, some are beheaded then cruciified and oh should I forget the torture, and brutal crucifixion of Jesus by the Romans and Jews.

    Jesus Himself never did hurt anyone!

  5. Connie

    YW – all I hear from you is please ignore the atrocities I do and focus on the atrocities of others which are much worse than my bad deeds.

    Careful about the hair – you went from the forced cutting of hair to current events where people are beheaded. False equivalency YW. The two are not comparable. You keep trying to shift the blame from you and yours, don’t you?

    It makes me chuckle every time you state Catholics aren’t Christian. Right. You are welcome to your understanding of the situation but because they follow Jesus they are Christians.

    The letter writer couldn’t think of any examples where Jesus was used for harm. We all gave some examples. Are you going to say they didn’t happen? As for Alexandria – it was long ago so who is to say actually set the flame. If the Christians hadn’t been fussing about in the area I believe the fire wouldn’t have been set. That’s my opinion, not a fact (I do know the difference between the two).

    You know life would be ok if you’d just acknowledge that the rest of the planet has the right to exist without the faith you spout from the highest rooftop. I wish you can see the harm you do pushing the ideas you push. Someday there will come a time when you will be confronted by that harm. I hope you accept the lesson and learn to allow others to exist without your idea of Jesus to guide them.

  6. Yeshua Warrior

    Mr. Page, I read this and just about wanted to gag, are you serious, you really drank the Planned Parenthood kool-aid – I don’t know how closely you follow the news, but planned parenthood prevents more abortions than abstinence only programs (or even legislation against abortion) ever has a hope to stop. They do that by providing women with access to birth control. And on the rare occasions that they do perform abortions, they are providing safe abortions to women who would most likely be seeking out alternative, much riskier, methods of accomplishing the same goal. Those aren’t remorseless people, they are people with empathy who recognize the value of human life.

    Mr. Blake, PP does not provide birth control just as much as they do mammograms. PP is an abortion mill and now they have been implicated in harvesting baby organs even killing babies after they are born to harvest their organs and sell them. I guess you truly believe that murder and infanticid is ok? “On rare occasion they perform abortions” that is laugh, that is all PP does is abortions. Have you even read about the Margaret Sanger the founder of PP, she set out to commit genocide on black babies because she said that they are not worth living and I also believe she felt the same about Jewish babies. How can you sleep at night know that you approve of government sanctioned murder of children. Over 50 million abortions so far, that is over 5 times the number of Jews murdered in the Holocaust. Their blood cries out from the ground for justice, and woe be unto this country when God comes to vindicate their innocent blood that has been spilled, just because people want to get rid of the consequences of their pre-marital sin or a baby being an inconvenience to a couple, really, I am just glad your mother never thought you were an inconvenience to her and your father.
    You just might want to read this article by a former PP board member, and read careful what happens to an innocent life when they are burned with saline, or ripped apart bodily in the womb. Did you know that babies who survive abortions, scissors are stabbed into the back of the necks or they are left alone to die. Have you read what happens to aborted babies after the procedure, how their bodies disposed of, maybe you should do a little research and I hope that you lose your lunch over it. May God have mercy on our country! http://www.toomanyaborted.com/former-planned-parenthood-board-member-knows-the-truth/

  7. Connie

    YW, planned Parenthood has one goal I know of – every child is wanted.

    As for birth control, PP does provide the Rx even if the meds are dispensed elsewhere. Depends on the circumstances. As a male I’m sure you have personal experience?

    You know your own holy book advocates abortion? Surely you’ve read of ‘bitter water’?

    I’ve know people who weren’t wanted by their parents for whatever reason. It messes with their life and yes, they’d rather not exist than not be wanted.

    When all the orphaned and fostored children are safe and happy, then I’ll listen to the need to limit abortions. Until that time all you want to do is find another way to control and limit females.

    As for the illegally obtained footage – surgery is icky. I’m personally grossed out by a paper cut. Surgery would make me throw up. There is a reason we have skin to keep the messy bits inside. The film makers counted on reactions like mine to help gloss over the fact that the whole set of videos are nothing but distortions of the truth and lies.

    Doesn’t you holy book have a few things to say about liars?

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