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Just read about your ranting about an email sent to an Air Force squadron and was really pissed about your threatening to sue.  I truly wish you and your G D bunch of assholes would trek back to Syria or wherever and get your asses blown off.  You do not belong in this great country — and the same goes for the friggin ACLU and the other assholes who are trying to undermine this counter.  It was founded on religious beliefs and will always be so.  If you don’t want to  abide with our thoughts AND PRAYERS   get the hell outta Dodge every one of you BUTTWIPES.

(name withheld)


 

…..do you have ANY kind of even remote, specific argument to make here, sport?…hard to see one in your silly, 3rd grade level screed?…..Mikey


Hey (name withheld),

Hard to know how to respond to such clownishness. It may be the result of where you do your reading, but people who have the capacity to understand the law and expect appropriate behavior on the part of our military find responses like yours to be sometimes innocently mistaken but too often the sad rantings of the narrow minded.

Reading through the treacle you’ve managed to spout here it’s not hard to figure where you fit.

Fortunately, bigots who claim to be religious yet fume like bozos don’t get to decide who lives here and who doesn’t. Ain’t it great to live in a free country?

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)


 

 

Dear (name withheld),

Just read your email ranting on a story that is full of lies and omissions.

 

We DID NOT stop anyone who wanted to pack the shoeboxes and those who said or hinted that we did are liars.

 

As an ordained minister, I find your foulmouthed rant coming out of a Christian mouth disgusting.

 

You have prejudged those with the MRFF without doing a bit of research on us while you were in our website getting a contact email.

 

The story concerning the Christmas shoeboxes – based on information given to them from Christians – is full of lies, omissions and distortions.

 

We DID NOT stop anyone who wanted to pack the shoeboxes and those who said or hinted that we did are liars.

 

Mikey is Jewish (and prays to the same Father we do 3 times a day) and 80% of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters (250 in total) of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) are Christians. In fact, 96% of our 42, 711 soldier clients are Christians. We fight for the rights of Christians more than any other religion.

 

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) does NOT act on its own but at the request of our soldiers’ and their complaints of the blatant disregard and trampling of the Constitution and the Military Code of Justice; blurring the lines between the separation of church and state. Every complaint is vetted by Mikey who was a JAG lawyer at the Air Force Academy for 10 years; worked in the West Wing under Ronald Reagan; and held positions in private practice.

Our military is secular – which includes those of other faiths or no belief system – and it must not advance one religion over another according to the Constitution, Supreme Court rulings and the Unified Code of Military Justice.

 

The soldiers contacted us because they know that religious activities must be in the hands of the Chaplains on Chapel grounds, not in the hands of the Commander on base-wide grounds.

The media and Christians lied by saying no laws were broken when the Air Force broke their own rules, the Establishment Clause of the Constitution, Reynolds vs. U.S., the Lemon Test and Parker v. Levy.

September 1, 2011, then-Chief of Staff Gen. Norton A. Schwartz, issued a memorandum for all USAF commanders that stated plainly:

“Although commanders are responsible for these programs, they must refrain from appearing to officially endorse religion generally or any particular religion. Therefore, I expect chaplains, not commanders, to notify Airmen of Chaplain Corps programs.”

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/docs/gen_schwartz_letter_religion_neutralilty.pdf
In Air Force Instruction 1-1, USAF top brass laid down the letter of the law in regards to religious proselytizing:

“2.12. Balance of Free Exercise of Religion and Establishment Clause. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for their own free exercise of religion, including individual expressions of religious beliefs, and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. They must ensure their words and actions cannot reasonably be construed to be officially endorsing or disapproving of, or extending preferential treatment for any faith, belief, or absence of belief.” (Emphasis added)”

 

“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320.

 

This is his second known use of the term “wall of separation,” here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter.

 

This wording of the original was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause.

 

Jefferson’s concept of “separation of church and state” first became a part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878). In that case, the court examined the history of religious liberty in the US, determining that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, “The word ‘religion’ is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted.” The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the “separation” paragraph from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, “coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.

 

In 1878 “separation of church and state” became part of the Establishment Clause BY LAW.

 

The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.

 

Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test.

 

Government action violates the Establishment Clause unless it:
1. Has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose
2. Does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion
3. Does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion

 

Parker v. Levy:

“This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society… While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. … The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it… Speech [to include religious speech] that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command.  If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected. (Emphasis added) Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 1974

 

We fought the total disregard for the laws and regulations stated above and that’s what we won.

 

“More than once it has been said, too, that the Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered.” George Lincoln Burr (January 30, 1857 – 1938) Professor of History and Librarian at Cornell University

 

Our Constitution was written explicitly to base America on secular rule free from religious tyranny.

 

The Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787, ratified June 21, 1788 and went into effect on March 4, 1789.

 

As for the separation of Church and State not existing in the Constitution, the words may not exist, but the idea is there and those words were used by some of the founding fathers.

 

 

The Treaty of Tripoli was signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796.It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797; a mere 8 years since our Constitution went into effect. If what was written was wrong in anyway, there would have been uproar. But, it passed unanimously and confirmed that America was not founded on Christianity.

Treaty of Tripoli:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

.The Constitution reflects our founder’s views of a secular government, protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief. The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, “The idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety.”

 

“The Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered”. George Lincoln Burr (1857 – 1938), Professor of History and Librarian at Cornell University

 

Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

 

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813

The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788

If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.
George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.

James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments

 

“God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773

During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.

What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.

James Madison 1785 Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments

 

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

 

We’re not going anywhere because we differ from your blinded, biased opinion based on lies – not facts.

 

NO ONE has to abide by your thoughts and prayers under the Constitution and leave America.

 

Get your head out of the media and religious bubble you live in and do some real, honest research on our country.

Finally, Mikey is NOT the Grinch that stole Christmas as the media is portraying him. The kids are still getting their shoeboxes because Operation Christmas Child is now in the hands of the chaplain(s) on base, where it always belonged, and is moving forward. We have no problem with this.

I’ll be praying for you that you stop wishing death on those that disagree with you (Jesus said to pray for your enemies) and that you clean up that filthy mouth of yours.

Pastor Joan

MRFF Advisory Board Member


 

 

Hello (name withheld) –

Mikey Weinstein has read your unpleasant note and asked if I would reply. I’m a volunteer supporter of the MRFF, as well as a USAF Academy graduate (’85) and an Air Force veteran. I’m also a lifelong, committed and active Christian.
Mikey often asks me to help with email correspondence. Usually, doing so is a pleasure. To be honest, that is not so in this case.
I don’t respect someone who traffics in threats and name-calling. I also have scant patience for someone who is unable to offer a coherent and intelligent argument about why he disagrees with something.
But I’m a sporting guy so I’ll take a swing at a few of the wild pitches you’ve thrown.
You say that we “do not belong in this great country”? Really? Why? Because you disagree with what we say? That sort of intolerance is precisely why an organization like the MRFF needs to exist, so thanks very much for that important reminder.
You may also wish to note that a majority of MRFF supporters and virtually all of our clients are current and former military. We gladly serve so that a person such as yourself can enjoy the freedom to send marginally coherent, rude, threatening emails. You’re welcome.
You say that this country “was founded on religious beliefs and will always be so.” Nonsense. But the likelihood that you are willing to take the time to learn about the true goals of our founding generation is nil, so I won’t waste the time. But you do a great service by reminding me that there are misinformed people who wish to see America become a theocracy — another good reminder of the need for the MRFF. So thanks very much for that, too.

Peace,

Mike Challman
Christian, USAF veteran, MRFF supporter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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