MRFF Blasted in AFA Petition of Thanks to USAFA for “defense of religious liberty”

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  1. Yeshua Warrior

    I enthusiastically signed the AFA petition thanking the Air Force Academy for their defense of religious liberty!

  2. G

    Yeah YW, I am really impress by you signing the petition.

  3. Yeshua Warrior

    Mr G,

    It is their religious right and freedom to pray, whether you or Mr. Weinstein or anyone else likes it or not. Truth is truth!

  4. Connie

    Truth is truth YW?

    Then you acknowledge the truth that everyone serving in the US Military takes an oath to uphold the Constitution and by extension the Bill of Rights.

    – This means they swear to uphold the laws of man before the laws of their faith – if they have a faith/religion.
    – This means anyone who upholds the laws of their faith before the laws of men are breaking their oath, making them forsworn before their Deity.
    – This means anyone who is in uniform and who expresses their faith is promoting a specific faith/religion.

    Truth is truth and Facts are facts, even when they are not liked much.

    And of course you support the AFA – the most hateful fact challenged political group in the USA. I expect nothing less from you YW.

  5. G

    YW, no one is disputing their right to pray; however, not on at taxpayers’ expense at such events like a football game since they are members of the military. And you should know that by now.

  6. Yeshua Warrior

    Ms. Connie,

    So why do you call the AFA the most hateful fact challenged political group? Is that just your opinion. Are they hateful only in your mind, and what makes them hateful, because they support biblical views of marriage as only between one man and one woman, that they believe homosexual marriage is destroying the fabric of our society and the family unit? That abortion is a sin and murder of the unborn and that Planned Parenthood should be de-funded. Do you realize that well over 50 million babies have been murdered before they had a chance of life, that is about 10 times more than which were murdered in the Holocaust of WWII. Whatever happened to the words of the Declaration of Independence that says We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Those 50 million babies unalienable right to life was stolen from them!

    So a group that is trying to protect biblical marriage and family and the life of the unborn is “hateful” I would like to see that which is not considered hateful. Connie, your values and ethics are all screwed up! However, this only confirms which scripture has said that in the last days people will call good evil and evil good.

  7. Connie

    YW –

    I gave you three facts you did not dispute. Nice – you are learning (hopefully).

    Here are a couple more facts –

    Fact – the Declaration of Independence has no bearing on how we as citizens are governed in the USA. It was a letter to King George – a stuff it you fat jerk we are mad as hell and not taking it anymore kind of missive. I understand why you would think it’s part of the Constitution, after all you believe the USA should be a theocracy.

    Fact – babies are not aborted as a baby is capable of surviving outside the mother’s womb. A fetus is aborted – a clump of cells which has the potential to be a human but is not one yet.

    Of course you want to defund Planned Parenthood. Their focus is women and sexual/reproductive health, both subjects that make your eyes twirl up and retreat into your head.

    Take away PP and you remove cancer screenings, hormone treatments, and a host of other services either covered by other clinics at a higher price or not offered at all. As for abortion, I don’t expect or demand anyone to approve of it. As you like to say, don’t like it, then don’t get an abortion or look at their building. Isn’t that what you say when MRFF is addressing some violation by a Dominionist?

    I consider the AFA is a hate group because they deliberately spread lies about the LGBTQ community. It is the AFA’s right to believe marriage is one man and one woman, however they have no right to smear everyone else. Humanity now accepts marriage as a contract between two consenting adults, no matter the gender. Welcome to the new world.

    In my circles people understand there are good and bad parents/people. The AFA automatically assumes if a person is LGBTQ then they are bad people/parents despite the reams of statistics proving otherwise. Bryan Fischer (former AFA spokesperson) used his radio show to spread this hate, calling for the death of everyone who disagreed with his radical agenda. He cited discredited studies to bolster his position, even as he claimed to be doing “God’s” work. Lies in the name of God are still lies**, and I believe your holy book as a few things to say about that.

    Light is dark and dark is light – here is a modern take for you. The world is not strictly black and white but instead is grey. “Thou shall not commit murder”; so says your holy book but what if your life is in danger? You’ve said yourself YW you would kill to defend you and yours. That’s murder in black and white. It is justified in grey because the person you just ended planned on causing you and yours harm.

    So – for the abortion issue. I’ve been homeless. I’ve been through the Mental Health mill. I will not tell how many stories I listened to of people who never understood why their mom or dad despised them as children. Too many stories of kids hated by their parents for existing only to find out later it’s because they were the product of rape or molestation. Sometimes ending the potential life is the best thing for everyone. Living without love is the most abusive thing a person can do to another, and here you are, advocating a loveless life for a child. What is wrong with you? Seriously. I thought your Savior was all about love. Forcing anyone to do as you want them to do is not love. It is force.

    Humans have been using force for all of history expecting this time it won’t backfire on them. Here’s a novel idea. Let’s let people find their own path without the dogma and crap surrounding religion and the priesthood for millennia.

    Oh, yeah. That won’t happen because it’s all about power and those that have it do not like to share. There’s a funny thing about absolute power though – it will corrupt you and then it will eat you. Don’t believe me? History is full of examples. Happy reading. As for the end of all things….

    Mark 13:32 “But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father”

    These aren’t the end times. They are the beginning of a new era – one where love triumphs over hate of the other. As I identify as ‘other’ it’s about time. 🙂

    **Taken from the Holy Bullies and Headless Monster site. An amazing resource and archive of the fight of LGBTQ folks to gain civil rights.

  8. G

    YW, when 1% of the world’s population owns half of the wealth in the world, then, it is people like you whose values and ethics are screwed up:

    http://trofire.com/2015/10/16/worlds-top-1-own-50-of-world-wealt/

    What good is bringing in more people when almost all of them will face a life of poverty with no good medical care/education/jobs?

    “Those 50 million babies unalienable right to life was stolen from them!”

    What about all those millions of babies that die from hunger, poverty, lack of proper care from illness? What about all those millions of babies that die at stillbirth, die in second, minutes, hours, days, or months after they were born. Sounds to me that God had stolen their right to life from them and it seems that he had no plan for them at all, let along never reveal his plan to them.

  9. G

    “Whatever happened to the words of the Declaration of Independence that says We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    YW, you need to direct your comments to the rich people and corporations who think that the rest of us are not created equal, are not endowed with certain unalienable rights including Life, Liberty and pursuit of Happiness.

  10. Yeshua Warrior

    Hi Ms. Connie,

    I will comment on your responses at a later time, but just wanted you to know that tomorrow is the March of Life in Washington DC, where hundreds of thousands of women and men as well will march declaring that they choose life over death or murder of the unborn human beings!

    Did you know that Roe v. Wade was based totally on a lie? Norma McCorvy never was raped, she never had an abortion, and somewhere in the US. today is her daughter who is about 43 and she is born again Christian and strongly pro-life!!

    http://www.lifenews.com/2013/01/28/jane-roe-of-roe-v-wade-never-had-an-abortion-her-daughter-is-43/

    Truly sorry to hear about your health issues, I pray that the God of all healing will touch you and heal you in Jesus’ name!

  11. Yeshua Warrior

    Hi Ms. Connie, I just read some more good news today, another abortion clinic has been shut down due to pro life efforts.One by one we will get them shut down including Planned Parent which means more babies will be born and their lives saved from those who wish to murder them.

    I think we will eventually see legislation that would make it a criminal act for any doctor or nurse to perform an abortion,state by state!

    God said, I set before you this day life or death, choose life!

  12. G

    YW, that doesn’t mean much if a baby dies at stillbirth, or die seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, or months after it is born and then you wonder why God took the baby’s life away and what was God’s plan for the baby in the first place.

  13. Yeshua Warrior

    Ms. Connie,

    Here is one aspect the liberals do not want women to know about or put in print, but gives evidence that God never ended women to have an abortion and what the consequences are of having one!

    The Cost of Abortion

    http://www.colorado.edu/studentgroups/studentsforlife/cost.html

  14. G

    YW, you think that many of these women took the decision to have an abortion lightly? In addition, if we an extensive sex education program like they have in Europe, then maybe some of these women would not have an abortion in the first place.

  15. Yeshua Warrior

    Mr. G,

    Maybe there would be less abortions today if women would keep their legs shut, or their men wear a condom, or either one get sterilized, or just practice a wonderful thing called abstinence!

    Sex education will not fix anything especially if they are teaching elementary kids on how to put a condom on a cucumber, please!! Sex education is the parents responsibility.

  16. Yeshua Warrior

    Ms Connie, here are amazing photos from today’s March for Life, thousands of women young and old, of different colors and denominations all marching for life and against the murder of the unborn human being in the womb. The march was also joined by actor Kelsey Grammar and his wife! This generation now is a pro-life generation!

    http://www.wnd.com/2016/01/photos-hollywood-superstar-joins-thousands-at-march-for-life/

  17. Connie

    YW –

    As always, you totally miss the point. Since you are point challenged I’ll do my best to use simple words to ensure you understand.

    Private citizens have a first amendment right to believe whatever they want to believe. It is their right to gather with like minded folk to march or protest, even when I disagree with their point of view.

    As a representative of the military or government, a person must represent the whole of the USA in all its diversity. This means abortion is legal, same sex marriage is legal, and homosexuality is not a crime. This means no matter their personal belief, a representative of the the government MUST NOT BE PERCEIVED TO SUPPORT ONE FAITH OR BELIEF OVER ANOTHER. The all caps part is the important part…

    Nice try at diverting the conversation. Extra points for the link to the program in Colorado which has reduced teen pregnancy, thank you very much. Expecting hormone ridden teens to not experiment is… well, your kind has tried squashing the curiosity and now we live in a culture where men are not taught basic boundary skills and rape culture is a real thing. Disclosure – I practice Yes means Yes. If I’m not capable of saying yes that means LEAVE MY BODY ALONE.

    You will not ever convince me that abortion should be illegal, not when underage girls are being molested by their fathers, brothers, uncles, preachers, ministers…. It is MY RIGHT to have access to safe reproductive health care. You do not have the right to take away my right. That’s the beautiful thing about living in the 21st century.

    Not sure how this is a difficult point for you but then again you are (or were) a preacher. You make your living telling people what to do, how to believe, how to live their life based on your holy book written 2000 years ago.

    As for abstinence – yeah, that worked so well for Bristol Palin, didn’t it?

  18. Connie

    PS – for all you women out there – The laws which YW supports would make having a miscarriage a chargeable offense. While pregnant you fall down the stairs or spontaneously abort? You are on the line for murder charges. Think it doesn’t happen? Google the subject but have tissues and perhaps an adult beverage handy because the news is not pretty.

    First it makes you sad.
    Then it makes you mad.
    Take the mad and let it empower you.
    We know where we’ve been.
    We know how far we’ve come and how far we need to go.
    Equal rights means equal rights.

  19. G

    YW, American parents are incapable of teaching sex education to their kids because they were never taught by their parents, and their grandparents, and their great-grandparents, etc. Do you have any statistics or facts to back up your statement about parents being the way to teach kids about sex?

    Here are some articles regarding effective sex education programs and the ineffectiveness of abstinence program:

    http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/component/content/article/450-effective-sex-education

    http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/storage/advfy/documents/cse-myths-and-facts.pdf

    https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Teen-Sex-Ed.html

  20. G

    “but gives evidence that God never ended women to have an abortion and what the consequences are of having one!”

    How does this article gives evidence about God never ended women to have an abortion, YW? If I was a judge or DA, and you tried to introduce this article as evidence in a court of law, I would laugh at you and tell you don’t come back until you have SOLID evidence.

    What make you think that parents are capable of teaching sex education to kids considering the fact that most parents are incapable of teaching it to kids unless they work in the medical field? Where are your statistics to back it up?

    Here are some articles regarding effective sex education, the ineffectiveness of sex abstinence programs, and the lack of information regarding sex to kids:

    http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/component/content/article/450-effective-sex-education

    http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/storage/advfy/documents/cse-myths-and-facts.pdf

    https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/FB-Teen-Sex-Ed.html

  21. Yeshua Warrior

    Ms Connie,

    I never said that miscarriage or falling down the stairs which causes a spontaneous abortion should be chargeable. Just abortions performed by doctors and assisted by nurses should be charged for murder of an unborn human being.

    Connie, no woman or man have any rights to their own body, our bodies belong to God, His DNA stamped all over us! The apostle Paul I believe said that “we are not our own, for we were bought with a price, so glorify God in your body.” How does taking the life of someone glorifies God, easy it does not! Also, why should a baby conceived out of rape have to suffer for the sins of the rapist, that baby is still a creation of God and has a purpose and destiny for their lives. Case in point, Tim Tebows mom was told to have an abortion, but she refused, and see all the good things the Lord has done through His life and through his own foundation today.

    An unborn baby has much as a right to live as you and I do today. And, contrary to the lies of the liberals and abortionists and you, a fetus is not just a clump of cells, but a human being. Did you know that the babies heart starts beating just 18 days after conception and is pumping blood 21 days through a close circulatory system.

    Let me ask, have you seen pictures of an aborted baby?? They have hands and arms and legs and torso. Do you know how they abort babies? They either burn them alive with saline solution and then vacuum out the dead fetus, or they cut the back of the head with scissors or just cut up the baby in the womb piece by piece.

    I encourage you to check out these links and become educated some more about the horrors of abortion.

    http://liveactionnews.org/look-inside-the-womb-parents-share-moving-video-of-18-week-old-babies-during-in-utero-surgery/

    http://prolifeaction.org/faq/unborn.php

    http://www.abortionno.org/abortion-photos/

    Now let me ask you, aren’t you glad you were not aborted????

  22. G

    “Sex education will not fix anything especially if they are teaching elementary kids on how to put a condom on a cucumber, please!! Sex education is the parents responsibility.”

    How can parents teach sex education when they themselves did not receive sex education from their own grandparents?

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