MRFF Covered in We Are The Mighty – What’s the Commandant talking about when he says Marines need to be ‘spiritually’ fit?

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  1. G

    The military for a long time was not spiritually fit when it came to not allowing women and minorities in the military let alone allowing them to be promoted upward and get into other jobs.that were once reserved for white males only. The military was also not spiritually fit the way they have been treated Democratic presidents since President Truman’s day.

    I worried more about the human reliability tests and how it can be used against someone who thinking differently and then that person is labeled as mentally unstable in order to get rid of him/her and then people stated that that person should not been allowed in the military in the first place.

    Here is a scene from Dr. Strangelove:

    “General “Buck” Turgidson: General Ripper called Strategic Air Command headquarters shortly after he issued the go code. I have a portion of the transcript of that conversation if you’d like me to to read it.
    President Merkin Muffley: Read it!
    General “Buck” Turgidson: Ahem… The Duty Officer asked General Ripper to confirm the fact that he *had* issued the go code, and he said, uh, “Yes gentlemen, they are on their way in, and no one can bring them back. For the sake of our country, and our way of life, I suggest you get the rest of SAC in after them. Otherwise, we will be totally destroyed by Red retaliation. Uh, my boys will give you the best kind of start, 1400 megatons worth, and you sure as hell won’t stop them now, uhuh. Uh, so let’s get going, there’s no other choice. God willing, we will prevail, in peace and freedom from fear, and in true health, through the purity and essence of our natural… fluids. God bless you all” and he hung up.
    General “Buck” Turgidson: Uh, we’re, still trying to figure out the meaning of that last phrase, sir.
    President Merkin Muffley: There’s nothing to figure out, General Turgidson. This man is obviously a psychotic.
    General “Buck” Turgidson: We-he-ell, uh, I’d like to hold off judgement on a thing like that, sir, until all the facts are in.
    President Merkin Muffley: General Turgidson! When you instituted the human reliability tests, you *assured* me there was *no* possibility of such a thing *ever* occurring!
    General “Buck” Turgidson: Well, I, uh, don’t think it’s quite fair to condemn a whole program because of a single slip-up, sir.”

    Here is a scene from John Oliver’s Last Week Tonight about the mental fitness of our officers in the nuclear forces: ttps://

    This spiritual fitness thing will never ever work considering the fact that in the last 16 years, you have top generals like David Petraeus, Wayne Grigsby, Thomas Fiscus, James Cartwright. William A. Cugno, David Haight, and Ron Lewis who threw away the 10 Commandments every Sunday and proceed to have affairs with other people’s wives or having a relationship with enlisted female military personnel on Monday. In addition, there are no studies that being spiritually fit will protect you from the horrors of war or cure you of your PSTD.

  2. Glenn

    I’m an active duty Army Chaplain (LTC). I am endorsed by a mainline/liberal Protestant Christian denomination. Every time I hear the military as an institution talk about spiritual fitness, I cringe. One, because they are talking about mental and emotional fitness and resilience and two, because it comes so close to violating the establishment clause. It’s like the whole school prayer argument i.e. whose prayer are we talking about. I don’t want the military defining anything “spiritual” for me. Let the Chaplains handle the spiritual aspect with those who voluntarily come to us for that while we at the same ensure the free exercise of religion (or no religion) for all who serve.

  3. Mary

    Don’t know for sure if this will shine light on anything, but still…
    back in the 70s I was married to a member of the USN. We were not happy. I visited the naval base chaplain’s office and was assigned to a Navy officer Southern Baptist chaplain for help in dealing with all this. At our last meeting, I was so surprised that he offered a hug, but gave me an extra, his tongue in my mouth. Today I might give him a whack, but back then, we just got outtathere as fast as we could. Not much has changed in the military, as far as I can see.

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