General

From: (name withheld)
Date: August 14, 2018 at 10:15:08 AM MDT
To: [email protected]org
Subject: General
You guys are idiots
(name withheld)


From: MRFF Supporter
Subject: Re: Fwd: General
Date: August 14, 2018 at 11:35:57 AM MDT
 

 

Dear (name withheld),

From: xxxxxx
Date: August 14, 2018 at 2:40:18 PM MDT
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: General
Reply-To: xxxxxxxx

Dear (name withheld),

Thanks for you e-mail.  Mikey and the MRFF asked me to respond to your comment below–and I’m more than happy to oblige.  First, it’s entirely possible that you father worked on aircraft flown by my father (he flew “The Hun” F-100 in the early ’60s) as well as my brother (he flew “The Lawn Dart” F-16 from 1983 until his retirement early in this century).  For that, I thank your dad.  As for me, I’m a retired AF officer who served in uniform for more than 35 years.  Both of my sons served (one as an AF officer, the other as a Marine enlisted infantryman) and my bro-in-law is a Navy O-6, so you could say that I have some perspective and experience. (BTW, All mentioned above also range from devout Catholic to evangelical atheist in terms of religious preference)

I agree completely (as does the MRFF) that every member of the military should be allowed to pray according to their personal beliefs and that commanders should permit such religious practice within their command–at least to the extent that it does NOT have a negative impact on the mission.  For example, you say commanders should “allow them to pray and do what they wanted on the flight line when it came to their beliefs.”  Clearly, that has at least SOME limits, because, for example, I can’t imagine a commander allowing a crew chief to suddenly fall to their knees on the tarmac with aircraft taxiing to face Mecca and pray, nor can they just stop what they’re doing mid-mission and decide that now is the time that all around them should join hands and pray to Jesus or Jehovah or Huitzilopochtli.  

So, can we agree that there are limits to religious practice in the military and, in fact, in almost any workplace?  Outside of the workplace, however, there are very, very few restrictions for the military and the MRFF and I have devoted our lives to defending that freedom.

But, as I’m sure your dad probably told you, and you’ve realized, the military is a very unique calling and our Air Force is a unique institution with a clear hierarchy, rank structure, and well-entrenched rules and regulations that all focus on mission accomplishment and “good order and discipline.”  In terms of religious practice, the Air Force has clear rules in AF Instruction 1-1 (http://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_cc/publication/afi1-1/afi1-1.pdf) paragraphs 2.11 and 2.12.

Paragraph 2.12 is especially important.  It says: “Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for their own free exercise of religion, including individual expressions of religious beliefs, and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. They must ensure their words and actions cannot reasonably be construed to be officially endorsing or disapproving of, or extending preferential treatment for any faith, belief, or absence of belief.”

Please read that twice and then refer to The Constitution to remind yourself that it is wholly improper and, in fact, dangerous for a commander to endorse, disapprove, give preference, or display bias against any specific religious perspective.  THAT is the basis of the MRFF’s complaint against BG Teichert.  Through his publicly available, open web-site and the statements he PERSONALLY has made on those sites, any reasonable person can only conclude that he approves of or tolerates ONLY one religious perspective–his.  If I was an atheist or Jewish or Muslim or Hindu–or even Catholic!– airman serving under this officer, I would fear greatly that he would not treat me fairly and provide the same opportunities and responsibilities to me as he would those that attend church with him on Sunday, read his web page regularly, or are seen at his table at the National Prayer Breakfast.  To someone like BG Teichert, who is so clearly entrenched and strident in his views, can you not put yourself in the place of someone who believes differently from him?

You may not have experienced this kind of bias in your life, and MAYBE your father didn’t either–that’s entirely possible if you are both part of an Evangelical Protestant tradition.  But today, that “tribe” is only about 25.4% of the population according to  the Pew Research Center.  Add in “Mainstream Protestants” and you just barely crack the 40% mark.  Think about that–BG Teichert is espousing beliefs in a public forum that aren’t even consistent with the majority of Americans today.  Now, ask yourself if he would’ve achieved his rank and position if, instead of a Christian website and blog, he’d managed an overtly Muslim or Atheist webpage.  He wouldn’t have.

You also say that he’s just trying to “bring some type of moral conscience to men.”  Who’s sense of conscience?  His.  What if your sense of conscience and morals doesn’t include his god or gods or scriptures?  Commanders do NOT get to choose the basis (religious or otherwise) of their subordinates values and conscience.

To conclude, let me assure you that BG Teichert is more than welcome to believe in whatever deity or deities he chooses.  He can pray and worship as he sees fit in his off-duty time and even when his office door is closed and he wants a few moments of private time. BUT, when he publicly declares his beliefs and creates an environment in which a reasonable person can infer bias, he’s wrong.  He’s wrong and the Air Force is blind and negligent (or complicit) in not either counseling him to stop years ago, or disciplining him for flaunting the Air Force’s FUNDAMENTAL instruction.

Thanks again for contacting the MRFF!

A 35+ Year Air Force Vet


 

From: (name withheld)
Subject: Re: General
Date: August 14, 2018 at 12:09:04 PM MDT

 

Thank you for your response it was very enlightening and very educational and I’m glad you were able to respond to me in a great positive way thank you. I’m sorry I called you guys idiots it was just a reaction instead of a response. 
(name withheld)

 

 

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3 Comments

  1. Ralph Moerschbacher

    You people are pigs. I am a Vietnam veteran and leave America you make me sick to my stomach .

  2. Louis saullo

    First off ,, I will pray for all the people of our military… even those who despise and hate !! Second in no way shape or form is Christianity a weapon of hate or harm .. it’s actually on love your enemy’s and your neighbor as your self !! There is no reason you people need to attack Christian beliefs !! If everyone did it there would be no hate or people who hate Christians !! How dare you say this man is by anyway harming anyone .. in fact I’m sure he is praying for you all right now. As am I !! We may not agree but one thing is for certain ..! WE ALL DIE !! and I HOPE you know where you are going !!! Not guessing !!! If you look into our founding fathers and the constitution… it’s GOD first … all else second!! Maybe you all should look around at the tragedy’s in America !! YOU ALL want nothing to do with GOD ??!! It looks like America is getting what it wants??!! Flushed down the toilet by all the people that hate the LORD … hey Mr Weinstein’… ( sounds Jewish) maybe you should ask YESUHA your self?! Bet him !!! TELL HIM YOUR not real GOD !! Bet him he’s real !!! YOULL NEVER be the same ..!! There are no atheists in a FOX HOLE BUDDY !! God bless you all as we pray for you !!

  3. Paula

    Dearest Louis–
    Deep breaths, honey, deep breaths. When you hyperventilate, your thought processes suffer. “If you look into our founding fathers and the constitution… it’s GOD first … all else second!!” I defy you to find the word “god” in the Constitution of the United States. C’mon, “buddy!” Prove your statements. Or are they lies?? I know–maybe you do, too. “There are no atheists in a FOX HOLE BUDDY !!” You are wrong. But I am sure you don’t care because you have been told this cute little catch phrase so many times, you believe the lie.

    You don’t do much for your religion or your god by ranting and raving like an out-of-control lunatic, you know? By the ever-increasing volume of your screed, you turn decent, honest, ethical people away from the craziness that apparently has affected your brain in an extremely negative way. Who would want anything to do with you or anything you sanction? You have done more irreparable damage to the christian faith than Mr. Weinstein–if he actually chose to (but he hasn’t)–could ever do in a lifetime.

    Oh, and the sorry state you believe the United States of America is in right now? You say it is the fault of those who “hate the LORD.” But isn’t precedent drumpf supposed to be a devout christian?? Huh! Go figure….

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