Porch Preaching

Good evening,
As an Atheist, I just wanted to let you know that I am absolutely disgusted with your actions regarding Lt. Col. McGraw.   He was not forcing anyone to go to these services, as participation was completely voluntary.  He not infringing on anyone’s rights.  It appears the only one whose rights are being trampled are the Colonels.   You people should be ashamed of yourselves.  Facist pigs.
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
What’s up there Mark?!… Something seems to have upset you, little fella… The United States Army agreed with us, sport, and stopped the unconstitutional illicit and illegal fundamentalist Christian proselytizing by Lt. Col. David Mcgraw and his family… You should take a hard look at the facts, jack… And I would do a little more research before you start throwing your shit at us… Mikey Weinstein… Founder and President, Military Religious Freedom Foundation

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Martin France

On May 11, 2020, at 6:55 PM, Martin France wrote:

(name withheld), thanks for your note–and for your service in the Marines.  My son also served in the Marines as an infantryman.  Let me clarify a few things that you may not be aware of:
1.  Lt Col McGraw was in base housing which, in Stuttgart, are really townhomes all connected.
2.  He preached out of his balcony, in clear violation of base/post noise regulations and counter to base regulations.
3.  He was infringing on others’ rights because they couldn’t just leave their homes and it shouldn’t be their responsibility to put in ear plugs because they don’t want to hear him.
4.  Most e-mail applications have a spell/grammar check
If you were in base housing and your neighbor next door decided that his or her religion mandated one hour of 120 dB broadcast Slayer riffs at exactly 3am every day to pay tribute to Satan, how would you feel about that?  Would making a complaint be an infringement on your neighbor’s right to practice their religion?  Even if they were a lieutenant colonel?  What if, five times a day, your next door neighbor sang out the Muslim call-to-prayer using a loudspeaker?  Probably not what you’d expect for a base housing environment right?
So, now, back the the MRFF’s role…  From our standpoint, and consistent with the Constitution, DoD regulations, and base policy, the Lt Col could’ve invited like-minded friends to his home to prayer and worship without any issue (so long as it was off-duty and he wasn’t forcing or suggesting subordinates attend).  They could even sing and preach in his home.  But, what he can’t do is disturb others by his loud, public preaching any more than one neighbor can disturb another with death metal music, or their favorite Osmond Brothers music or Britney Spears tunes, or encourage their dog to bark.
If you have any other questions, please let me know
Sincerely,
M France
Brig Gen, USAF (Retired)
MRFF Advisory Board Member

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

On May 11, 2020, at 7:41 PM, Mike  wrote:

Hi (name withheld),
What does your being an atheist have to do with anything? Is it just something you announce by way of saying
hello?
And why should we care that you are disgusted about our support for Lt. Col. McGraw’s neighbors, who were imposed
upon regularly by the rudely blared religious messages and prayers that he thoughtlessly used to invade their private spaces.
“Completely voluntary”? Wake up, Espinosa! It loudly permeated the housing area where they lived and where they deserved to have the ability enjoy their privacy.
You see, Lt. Col McGraw was being thoughtless, just as you are. We came to his neighbors aid at their request. If you happened to follow the process, they now have the peace in their homes of which they were being deprived and Lt. Col. McGraw has a new space for his services.
Most are satisfied and you are disgusted. We hope you enjoy it.
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere

On May 11, 2020, at 9:06 PM, John Compere  wrote:

First & foremost, thank you for your military service.
 
However, your hateful & hypocritical name-calling only reflects on yourself & reveals a misinformed malcontent.
 
For your information, the US Constitution, American law & US Armed Forces regulations prohibit our secular military, as part of our secular government, from publicly proselytizing a religion on military installations except in military chapels & military chaplain channels. No military member may publicly impose their religion on military members & their families, especially in military housing areas where privacy is protected. That is why the improper practice was stopped by the military itself after complaints from many military families, including Christians. No intelligent American adult should be surprised that all military personnel have to observe the law, regulations & common courtesy to others on military installations.
 
“Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.” – PASCAL (Christian Philosopher)
 
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (composed of over 80% Christians)

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1 Comment

  1. A.L. Hern

    “As an Atheist, I just wanted to let you know that I am absolutely disgusted with your actions regarding Lt. Col. McGraw. He was not forcing anyone to go to these services, as participation was completely voluntary. He not infringing on anyone’s rights. ”

    Gee, I didn’t know there were any dumb Atheists, but i guess there’s a first time for everything.

    The simple fact is that he was conducting his services in such a manner that the massed voices and singing intruded on a common space around which many service personnel live, and from there invaded the living spaces and privacy of each and every one of those apartment units to the point those in the units could not isolate themselves from the noise of McGraw’s self-indulgence.

    What about all these OTHER PEOPLE’S rights to be free of one man’s self-promotion — self-promotion about which they could not object because of his superior rank, which McGraw counted on to insulate him from any and all objections in a way that everyone else could not insulate themselves from his preaching?

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