Are you some kind of inbred retard? Its a private plot moron…..go cowtown over someone else. Its vermin like you that pisses everyone off. Pull your tongue over your head and swallow so we dont have to listen to idiots like you
Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
From: John Compere
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2021 9:10 AM
To: (name withheld)
Subject: Insane Lawsuit
For your information, the Eagle Scout’s project was originally placed prominently on government owned & maintained property indicating government endorsement unlawfully violating the US Constitution, American law & Department of Defense regulatory directives. Many local citizens, including Christians, encountered it upon entering the cemetery, were offended by its blatant illegality & requested its removal.
The subsequent private sale of “burial rights” to the plot of land (not title to the land) by the government owned & operated cemetery in response to the complaints raises additional legal questions. The illicit use of official military department symbols violating copyright/trademark/licensing rights of the Department of Defense remains unresolved.
This problem was created by the adults involved who lacked the intelligence & integrity to advise a well-intended young man his project as presented could not be placed on government owned & maintained property implying government endorsement because it was unconstitutional, unlawful & a federal regulation violation. It is a sad situation when an innocent minor is used by adults in an attempt to circumvent our laws & proselytize their version of religion as government sponsored & supported which has been unconstitutional since ratification of the 1st Amendment in 1791. Loyal & law-abiding Americans respect the Constitution, obey our laws & teach children to do the same. Your presumptuous protest is morally misdirected & should be redirected to those irresponsible adults.
The US Constitution 1st Amendment provides our historic trinity of religious liberties – (1) freedom from government established or endorsed religion, (2) freedom of religion or no religion & (3) freedom for religion speech. It lawfully separates government from religion & requires government neutrality regarding religion (neither pro-religion nor anti-religion, but religion neutral). Its genesis was the 1785 Virginia Religious Freedom Statute authored by Thomas Jefferson & James Madison mandating “No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place or ministry whatsoever.”
It is fact, history & law we were not founded based on religion. The 1797 Treaty of Tripoli, an international legal document, confirmed to the world “…the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion…”. Negotiated during 1st President Washington’s administration, the treaty was unanimously Senate ratified & signed by 2nd President John Adams. The American Counsel to Algiers, Joel Barlow (Revolutionary War chaplain & Washington appointee) negotiated it, co-authored the Arabic version signed abroad during Washington’s presidency & authored the English version unanimously ratified & signed in the US during Adam’s presidency. We were the 1st nation in history to be founded by & for “We the People” (Constitution Preamble) with no acknowledgment of dependency on higher authority (emperor, monarch, dictator, deity, religion, scripture, etc).
Brigadier General, Judge Advocate General’s Corps, US Army (Retired)
Former Chief Judge, US Army Court of Military Review & US Army Legal Services Agency
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (85% Christians)
On Sunday, June 6, 2021, 12:18:53 PM CDT, (name withheld) wrote:
Dear General Compere,
Thank you for returning my email about the religious memorial issue in Monument, Colorado. As I pointed out in my last email, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation was reported to be planning to sue, or has already sued, the creator of the memorial, Michael Carlson, and the town where the memorial will be or has already been set up, Monument, Colorado.
To address each of your specific points:
1. You are correct that the religious memorial was placed on (assumedly originally local) government owned and maintained property. But this implies no government endorsement of the content of the memorial’s inscription. The cemetery is acting in the same sense as a common carrier, like a phone network, and is not responsible for the content of its users. Also, as mentioned in my first email, there is no violation of the US Constitution here. The US Constitution makes no explicit (codified) proscription against government employing or hosting religious verbiage or symbols, and our most influential Founders were adamant that the US was based from its inception as a Christian nation. To wit, “It may not be easy, in every possible case, to trace the line of separation between the rights of religion and the Civil authority with such distinctness as to avoid collisions and doubts on unessential points.” (James Madison), “The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?”(John Adams, speaking on the rule of God as the basis for proper US law, as opposed to the much more arbitrary rule of man), “The Christian religion, in its purity, is the basis, or rather the source of all genuine freedom in government…and I am persuaded that no civil government of a republican form can exist and be durable in which the principles of that religion have not a controlling influence.” (Noah Webster, creator of the Webster Dictionary). Hence it was Founder intent that government be permitted to propagate religious messages, and since virtually all of the Founders were Christian, I believe it can be reasonably inferred that they were referring to Christian religious messages. The only things government cannot Constitutionally do in regard to religion is enforce a national religion for the purposes of personal worship (this would violate the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment) or favor adherents of one religion over another (this would violate the Equal Protections Clause of the 14th Amendment).
2. DOD regulatory directives have no relevance to the issue at hand. The only living actors involved in implementing the religious memorial are the teenager Michael Carlson and the local cemetery in Monument, Colorado. It is only the two buried dead elders who are relatives of Michael Carlson who are (former) members of the military.
3. Local citizen opinion regarding “being offended” by the memorial is not dispositive to Constitutional or any other part of American law.
4. The private sale of burial rights to the plot of land raises no issues, as even if such rights remained in the hands of the local government owned cemetery, point (1) above demonstrates that the use of Christian wording on the memorial headstone would still be allowable according to the constructionist intent of the US Constitution. I concede you may have a point regarding private use of trademarked military symbols without DOD licensing permission (this is probably illegal).
5. The Constitution forbids any federal regulation from even existing, even if pursuant to areas of federally enumerated powers (Article I, Section 8). The Constitution forbids any government body, at any level, from promulgating rules that impose any mandate or restriction on the States or the People, except for government bodies that are actual legislatures. By definition, “regulations” are rules promulgated by Executive branch agencies, and such agencies only have the Constitutional power to enforce legislative law, but are forbidden from actually promulgating law.
6. The US Constitution absolutely does not “separate” government from religion or require government neutrality in regard to religion. It simply grants freedom of religion to all citizens, as well as the right to have no personal religion. As stated in my first email, the principle of “separation of church and state” is solely to protect the church from the state, and not the other way around.
7. The anti-Christian verbiage in the Treaty of Tripoli was a pure lie told by our Founders to several Muslim-run countries to get their Islamic citizens to stop robbing and sinking US-based merchant marine vessels travelling near the Barbary Coast.
8. You are correct that the US is the first nation to be founded “of, by, and for the People.” This simply means that government has no Constitutional right in America to infringe upon our natural, God-given rights, such as freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom from unwarranted search and seizure, freedom from unjustified loss of life or liberty, etc. The preceding has nothing to do with the relationship between government and religion, with the exception that government cannot impose any “state religion” on the People, as was the historical practice in England.
Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere
On Jun 6, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Compere wrote:
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens (American-English philosopher, author, critic & multiple literary award winner)
first of all show me in the constitution where it says you can’t be offended? If they are offended that’s on them…hence the phrase (I’m offended)….secondly the separation of church and state is NO WHERE in our constitution period…now the USA has borrowed it from the soviets…..(The Church is separated from the State. Within the territory of the Republic, it is forbidden to pass any local laws or regulations which would restrain or limit the freedom of conscience or which would grant special rights or privileges on the basis of the religious confession of citizens.)….our founding was based upon Judeo Christian values and sorry but u can’t re-write history…even the founders that were not Christians still believed in a higher power. USA Isn’t a communist state yet but it’s damn close and it ppl and organizations like urs that do more harm than good.
Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
On Jun 7, 2021, at 7:02 PM, Mike wrote:
A thoughtful person might find out what’s at issue before exposing himself as a complete fool. I guess that’s just not your way.
Mike Farrell(MRFF Board of Advisors)
From: (name withheld)
Subject: Re: Head Stone
Date: June 7, 2021 at 11:40:48 PM MDT
Yes John the first ever mention of separation of church and state was in a letter from Jefferson as was designed to keep the gov. From using the church as a weapon…Sorry but ur history is lacking this country at its core was and is nothing but an idea…at its core it is still just an idea about freedom and being left alone by the government to live your life as you choose. This country was founded on christian values right from the beginning with the mayflower compact the pre-cursor to the constitution…it was 100 percent founded on idea’s and a certain morality that is based upon scripture. They even built a monument upon the principles that if we ever loose our way all we have to do is look upon it and we can find our way back. if you think im blowing hot air go look up Gov. Willam Bradfords speech in and around 1630 to 1650 no one is really sure when it was written. He was pretty explicit about what made this “America” great!
Adams wrote to Rush following the Pinto attacks and Adams vigorously defended the Christian against the attack brought on by Paine.
He [Thomas Paine] understood neither government nor religion. . . . His billingsgate [vile and vulgar attack] . . . will never discredit Christianity, which will hold its ground in some degree as long as human nature shall have anything moral or intellectual left in it. The Christian religion. . . . will last as long as the world. Neither savage nor civilized man without a revelation could ever have discovered or invented it. Ask me not, then, whether I am a Catholic or Protestant, Calvinist or Arminian. As far as they are Christians, I wish to be a fellow-disciple with them all.I can provide you with plenty more quotes and facts from our founders if you would like that disprove your basis that this nation was “not” founded on Christian principles is absurd.
Oh Mike you can draw what ever conclusion you want to doesn’t hurt my feelings…im not easily offended…only week and inept ppl get offended. See we have an great country (mostly for now) but we will always the non-producers and the degenerates (those lead by how they feel)…the non producers; life is hard for them, belly aching and moping as if it was someone else’s reason they are in life where they are. As I tell the bums on the street…look back on the decisions that you made over the last 50 years and you can draw a map as to why your holding down this corner…its no one else fault but your own. Cause and effect. Time for ppl to grow up…if ur offended thats (your) personal problem not my problem.