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I understand you want to be free from religion. I just have something that I notice about organizations like yours that seems a little like bigotry. The only religion you attack is Christianity it seems. That is the only religion you are against. It doesn’t seem to matter to you that the one that attacked our country(Islam) is becoming rampant and our president seems to support it. November is now National Muslim Month. They get a monument near the place where they killed Americans. They are the ones blowing people up overseas and killing innocent people in the mall at Kenya. I have never seen a Christian terrorist group that wants to blow people up for not believing in Jesus, yet you fight them like that are. Yes, they do have strong convictions and so do muslims. It seems you just have a strong distaste for Jesus and that is what fuels your organization. I never hear anything fighting against Buddist and Hindu freedoms. A lot of their religious practices are in our schools today. Like Yoga, that is where it came from. Being tolerant is not taking away the freedom to be against a belief, true tolerance would be someone who is able to have strong convictions and live in the same country without blowing them up. There are some extreme Christians out there(Westboro), but even they have not made death threats to my knowledge. Most Christians do not live that way and have done a lot of good things in the country. I am just confused about what your about. It seems that you only want to target Christians. Thank you.
(name withheld)
Hello (name withheld)!
Thank you for contacting the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) with your concerns in a civilized manner. It’s refreshing to get an email like yours instead of the hate mail and death threats.
Mikey has read your email and asked me to respond to you.
I’m sorry that you and other Christians have been misled by the media, organizations, speakers and churches. I hope to clear that up for you.
MRFF is made up of more than just Mikey. There is Blake (the Assistant to the President), the Board, the Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters. In fact, 75% of those involved with MRFF are Christian. A full 96% of our almost 35,000 soldier clients (1 can represent more than 50) are Christian – Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodist, Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals, etc.
It is our military that is under attack and it is by the Evangelical/Fundamentalist/Dominionist right wing Christians, sad to say.
US Army chaplain MAJ James Linzey, who, in a 1999 video, described mainstream Protestant churches as “demonic, dastardly creatures from the pit of hell “that should be “stomped out.”
This is the thinking of the military of today throughout the chain of command all the way to the Pentagon. They believe that the only “true” Christian is one that is “born-again” and has a “spiritual birthday.” All mainline Christians (see above) are destined to hell.
If you belong to one of the mainline Christian churches mentioned above, then we are fighting for you, too.
We fight for the rights of all soldiers under the Constitution and military law.
Military Chaplains – not Commanders or those in leadership positions – are in charge of the spiritual needs of their soldiers in each denomination and must have tolerance and acceptance for all faiths in deference to their own personal religious convictions. In addition to personal tolerance, military Chaplains must ensure religious freedom or lack thereof for all soldiers according to the 2nd Amendment.
“. . . no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” (Article VI, Section III)
Our military is a government entity and must remain secular. Any person that wants to don the uniform of a branch of our military is free to do so with the express admonition from the Constitution to not exalt one religion over another.
The reason it seems that we are against Christianity is because it is the ONLY religion that is FORCING itself on others in the military. If it were the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. we would be fighting against them just as hard.
It does matter to us that we were attacked by an extreme form of Islam, but that doesn’t make all Muslims terrorists.
You state “I have never seen a Christian terrorist group that wants to blow people up for not believing in Jesus, yet you fight them like that are.” Well, the “Christian terrorist group that wants to blow people up for not believing in Jesus” is our own military, propagated by an extreme form of Christianity – similar to the Muslim Jihadists – that has permeated throughout the ranks from the Pentagon on down. Shocking, isn’t it!?
The “War on Terror” is actually a “War on Islam.” All you have to do is look at where we are fighting and you will realize that.
In 2004, in Samarra, Iraq, was a Bradley tank with the words “Jesus killed Mohammed” written on the side in Arabic – a not so nice way of angering the Muslims. http://harpers.org/archive/2009/05/jesus-killed-mohammed/
Christian scripture is written on our soldiers high-powered rifle scopes, and even though they were told to take them off, they still exist today.http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794
The Air Force soldiers tasked with launching our nuclear missiles, have been indoctrinated with St. Augustine’s “Just War Theory” which those in training jokingly referred to as “Jesus love Nukes.” One of the slides said it was right “to avenge or to AVERT (pre-eminent strike) evil, to protect the innocent and restore moral and social order.” http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8684257/Jesus-loves-nukes-US-Air-Force-taught-the-Christian-Just-War-Theory.html
A Marine fighter squadron changed its logo from the “Werewolves” to the “Crusaders” and had to change it back.http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/05/24/11864635-marine-werewolves-transform-into-crusaders-and-back-again?lite
Former President George Bush called the war in Iraq a “Crusade.” http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0919/p12s2-woeu.html
The “Passion of Christ” is played at military bases and riles up hatred against not only the Muslims but especially the Jewish soldiers in some of the worst ant-Semitic rhetoric.
Christian holidays – especially Christmas and Easter – are in full display at military bases but you won’t find anything for other religious holidays.
Soldiers are given the “Spiritual Fitness Tests” which are slanted towards Christianity. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/268:army%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cspiritual-fitness%E2%80%9D-test-comes-under-fire
The Marine Corps states that atheism is a “potential risk indicators” for suicide. http://digitaljournal.com/article/356047
This is a lie. PTSD and lack of medical treatment is the cause of suicides in the military.
The Marines were pushing Christianity in Fallujah. http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/05/28/38820/iraqis-claim-marines-are-pushing.html
Our military is secular and must remain that way under the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. It cannot proselytize a “born-again” Evangelical/Fundamental/Dominionist Christianity to our soldiers. To bypass this law, they bring in outside para-churches to do it which is not held to the same standards. Thus, they can wash their hands of this flagrant disregard and trampling of our Constitution and get exactly what they want; a Christian military with Warriors for Christ.
Btw – this “born-again 4 Spiritual Laws” Christianity is a false gospel. Bill Bright made them up in 1952. Yes, they are 4 statements found in different books of the bible, but they are not laws or commandments…just facts.
“And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” (Acts 16:31) The early Christians and those up to 1952 never said these phony 4 spiritual laws. Does that mean they are going to hell?
So look no further than our military that wants to blow up people because they do not believe in Jesus.
This religious persecution of Christians that is being propagated in the media and other places is to keep everyone’s eyes off of the real religious persecution of other faiths going on in our military. That’s where we come in.
We are neither anti-Christian nor anti-Chaplains. There is a time and a place for religious worship in the military.
If you are a mainline Christian, then you are being duped into fighting against your own faith because they believe you are hell-bound.
Please go to www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org Click on “About” and then click on “Foundation Voices.” I think you will be surprised as to who is involved with MRFF.
I hope this helps you understand a little bit better about who is involved with MRFF and what we are fighting for.
Pastor Joan
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You have never seen Christian terrorists who sought to kill Jews just because they were Jews? How ignorant are you of the history of your religion? I’ll ignore Nazi Germany because the scale of the Shoah is so much greater than everything before it.
Let’s just start with the Crusaders marching through the Rhine River valley forcibly converting Jews. We could expand by looking at the Christians of England who forcibly expelled Jews from Britain in 1290, an edict in force for more than 350 years. The Jews of Spain were forcibly converted, killed or expelled in 1492.
In the more modern era pogroms in Czarist Russia (not the Soviet Union, the predecessor regime, the Orthodox Church now being restored under Putin) sent the Cossacks riding through the Ukraine killing Jewish peasants. That’s a good part of the reason my grandparents packed up and moved to the US.
I think I’ve made my point: The swords of Christians are red with the blood of those who did not accept their avatar, Jesus, as the holy messiah, the blood of children who were killed simply for their religious beliefs. I’m not so naive that I think that oppressed Jews did not rise up and kill their Christian enemies. It must have happened, but the number of dead Jews murdered by Christian mobs is far, far greater.
Hey Mickey & gang–
I contacted your organization about a year ago asking, because of rumors I’d heard, if you thought the fundamentalist Christians in the military might be capable of launching a coup. My impression was you blew me off on that point. Now, look what you publish today–the guy Joyner calling for a military coup!
The way I see it, Joyner would not have said those words publicly unless there has been quite a bit of talk along those lines between him and his cronies.
I am not ignorant of the history of my religion. In fact, I recently wrote on the Christians killing the Jews.
My response to the person asking to understand the mission of MRFF is in relationship to what is happening TODAY in our military. The main battle going on is an extreme form of Christianity that believes they are the only true Christians and have their sights on the Muslims now.
Many years ago I worked as a secretary at a Jewish Temple. The Rabbi and I had many discussions on different topics including the genocide of the Jewish people through the years. I also have a Tenakh and a Masoretic text we studied. To say that I am ignorant of the Christians killing the Jews because I didn’t include it is this response, is getting away from the question he asked about MRFF.
And, I work for a Jew – Mikey – and feel it is an honor to work with him.
You have no idea how many times I have defended Mikey from the anti-Semitic attacks, hate mail and death threats he gets from Christians.
Elaine,
I’m going to answer this for Mikey.
10 years ago I left this evangelical/fundamental/dominionist religion (EFD). There were whispers of taking over the government and putting it under Theocratic rule. There are many politicians calling for laws based on the bible now.
Google “7 Mountains Mandate Bill Bright.”
The education mountain has a battle going on in putting creation and other biblical teachings in our textbooks.
The family mountain is being attacked on contraception and abortion.
The business mountain is already under attack by wiping out pensions and investments on Wall Street.
Some medias are already stating talking points.
The mountain of government is shut down and destroying people lives and livelihood.
The mountain of business is paying poverty wages (Christian Walmart is the worst), cutting hours and benefits, and laying off people.
The mountain of religion has been claimed by the EFD as the only true denomination of Christianity and all mainline Christians are false and going to hell. This EFD has hijacked our military and the Pentagon.
The next step is to take over the mountain of government and they are now talking openly about it. It’s a “feeler” thrown out there to see how the people will react.
I don’t know about you contacting Mikey about it, but I sent the link to Mikey and he was honestly shocked. That tells me that he had never heard the rumors.
Pastor Joan,
Better go back and read my comment. It was directed to the original poster’s ignorance. HE (or SHE) said that he or she knew of no Christian group that killed Jews just because they were Jews. I pointed out that the OP was mired in ignorance. Since the site doesn’t allow me to put my comment directly below his and above yours as an interjection, I did what I could.
PZ
Pastor Joan,
You forgot to mention that “National Muslim Month” does not exist, and that the OP was clearly taking as truth a satirical piece by the National Report, which is an Onion-like satire site.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/muslimmonth.asp
Have a great one!
Peter,
You are correct. Because there is no way to reply to an individual post, I assumed it was in response to my comment.
I apologize for directing my response towards you.
Heathen in NC,
I also didn’t respond to Buddhist and Hindu freedoms or yoga.
We get a lot of emails with nonsense in them and this is one of them.
He stated that the President supports a National Muslim Month. That’s a political statement and we are apolitical.and will not go there.
Thank you for stepping in and letting him know that there is no such thing.
You have a great one, too.
This was a fine response, but for one “minor” detail. The Second Amendment deals with “the right to keep and bear arms”. It’s the FIRST Amendment that deals with freedom FROM the establishment of religion, as well as “the free exercise thereof”.
haha you all need help. I am also a pastor gut mine in the mail, just like you:)