Freedom?

You suppress people’s right to religious freedom and then call yourselves a freedom organization!? Do you realize you’re doing the same thing as ISIS, just without the beheadings?
I hope I’m there to see your faces when the hammer falls!
GOD BLESS AMERICA

(name withheld)


(name withheld),

I do believe your brain may be oxygen deprived…so please take a deep breath or two and explain, exactly, how MRFF is doing the same thing as ISIS?

Please take your time, you already appear to be quite the fool by making this comparison.

Andy Kasehagen

p.s.  As a Christian myself, I also agree that God Blesses America.  However, as an American with more than a 3rd grade education I realize that God/Allah/Vishnu/Kokopelli/The Flying Spaghetti Monster or any other deity does not usurp the U.S. Constitution or the secular democratic republic it created.


Dear (name withheld),

By your estimation, what is ISIS’s objective?  Do you think they’re fighting for the separation of church and state?  A secular democracy which respects the rights of all people, not just those of a particular religion?  That must be your understanding of the group, since you think we’re just like them.

Spending time introducing you to the facts would be about as productive as a day at the beach.  Loads of fun, sure, but wouldn’t get anything accomplished.  I hope I’m not there to see your face when the hammer falls, simply because I find spending time with ignorant people tedious and draining.

God bless your tiny, hardened heart and mind.

Cheers,

Blake A. Page
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Special Assistant to the President
Director of US Army Affairs


If you people claim to fight against mixing church and state then why are you not screaming to the rooftops when Congress just opened a session with a Muslim prayer to Allah?

(name withheld)


Dear (name withheld),
Because the U.S. Congress is not the U.S. Military…and if you know of a case where U.S. Military members are required to attend prayers to Allah, please let us know immediately.

 

MRFF counts on its supporters, volunteers, AND DETRACTORS as the indispensable “eyes and ears” who alert us to constitutional violations within the U.S. Military.  Should you have an actual charge of unconstitutional religious influence in the U.S. Military by Muslim/Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist/Christian/etc., as opposed some nebulous accusation, you are encouraged to try us again at [email protected]  MRFF stands ready to investigate and take action on any properly vetted complaint.

 

Since you’re looking for hypocrisy where none exists, consider this:

I personally believe as a Christian who fully supports a secular government that these congressional prayers of any religious flavor (and before any federal/state/local governmental body in the U.S.) not only unconstitutional but highly hypocritical.

Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Matthew 6:6 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

 

Andy

 

p.s.    How about answering my original question to your hyperventilating diatribe?


My response is below.
 
Andy
First of all I want you to know that I’m not some fanatic who likes running his mouth.
I never called you a fanatic.  I said you were being foolish in your comparison of MRFF to ISIS (sans beheadings) and asked for specific examples.  
I’m a 63 year old Marine Corp veteran who volunteered to serve his country.
Thank you for your service to our nation.  It is, and always will be, greatly valued and appreciated.  Although I have no military experience (my brother joined the Navy and I went to college then work to support our parents), I am very proud to work with many retired and active duty military members at MRFF.  
 
There were times when church services and my belief in God were the only things that kept me going. No one ever told me who to worship or how to worship. There were those who didn’t believe and so they didn’t participate. Simple as that! Am I wrong in my understanding that you don’t think I should be free to show my faith?
And my belief in God has also aided me many times…both good and bad.  Yes you are wrong that anyone at MRFF thinks you shouldn’t be free to show your faith and I’m very happy that you were never forced to participate in worship you didn’t believe in (such as a Muslim prayer/benediction during a compulsory formation).  However, not everyone’s religious beliefs or experiences in the military are identical.  Religious freedom and the sharing/showing of one’s faith is fine whenever and wherever as long as it is not done under the color of government authority.  Being under the color of authority within the U.S. Military, as you well know, takes on an entirely different meaning than the concept does in civilian environments. 
 
Does the name of God on a billboard really threaten you that much?
Your attempt at over simplification (i.e. a ‘straw man’ argument) doesn’t go unnoticed here.  If it’s on a taxpayer supported billboard intended to carry out a governmental purpose it threatens all of us.  A recent example, which may or may not be what you’re referring to, is a U.S. Military recruitment poster that calls upon volunteers for ‘God’s Mission’.  I’m puzzled why you didn’t find the ISIS similarities in this activity.
 
When I used ISIS as an example I meant, you accept their way or die.
And what’s your point here?  Because I don’t live under this threat, and thank you again for protecting that freedom, I/we should ignore the recruitment of volunteer’s for ‘God’s Mission’ rather than simply recruiting volunteers to protect our freedoms under the secular democratic republic established by the Constitution. 
 
You then are saying that all military personnel must agree with you, even if I choose to want Gods name on display.
That’s obviously not what MRFF is saying and knock yourself out in displaying God’s name anyway you want…without government assistance!  Heck, put GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD GOD on a placard and march it around any public space you like.  Heck I even enjoyed it in your original email.
 
However, as with other civil liberties you fought to protect, remember there are time/place/manner restrictions (i.e. no political campaigning within or around a certain distance of polling locations).  Time/place/manner restrictions are much more stringent and important in the military environment than in the civilian environment.  I don’t need to explain the reasons why to a veteran such as yourself.
 
I no longer have that option because you took it away.
Wrong.   Lack of government support or preferential treatment for your religious views has never justified playing the religious victim card.
 
I believe when the pilgrims came here to escape persecution by the King, to worship anywhere and any way they wanted. When the constitution was written I believe the purpose was to allow freedom of religion. Period! The so called separation of church and state, I think, means the state can’t tell you what to do.
…and can’t provide preferential support or treatment to the religion you and I are free to follow. NOW PERIOD!
 
The name of God and the Ten Commandments have been written and carved into stone on govt. Buildings courthouses etc since the birth of this country. And now you tell me that’s not what they intended. That it’s unconstitutional. I’m sorry but I just don’t agree. Anymore than calling a jar full of urine with a crucifix in it art protected by freedom of speech. Do you really think the founding Fathers meant that?
And yet these wise founding fathers did not include the name of God (or any other diety) or the Ten Commandments in the supreme law of the land.  Wonder why?
 
How do you feel about drawing pictures of Muhammad?  Do you believe freedom of speech is allowed for all subjects except religions, our just our shared religion of Christianity?  Do you really think the founding fathers intended a blanket religious exception to our rights of free speech?
 
In referring to the hammer falling I was referring to Gods judgement when you will answer for erasing his name, no matter where! No matter why!
And this is Gods judgment, not yours…NOW or EVER!  
 
In closing let me say I never attacked your intelligence, your education, or anything else.
Yet you resort to name calling and ridicule because I don’t agree with you. That says volumes about your character.
No; you just equated Bekki’s, and by extension any other MRFF supporter, with a religiously inspired group of murderous and genocidal psychopaths.  That says volumes about your character.
 I love my country and I love my God and I believe we as well as future generations are in peril. It’s all coming apart.
Good for you, I do too.  I defend both my Christian faith and my very secular Constitution proudly and equally.  I don’t feel the need to defend one at the expense of the other.
 
When has a condition of peril not been the case in U.S. history?  The founding fathers themselves knew our nation was in peril the moment it began and always would be.  However, I (like our founding fathers) will never believe we will be protected from peril by co-mingling religion and government.
If you are a Christian, prey for our future.
I already told you I was a Christian and yet you obviously doubt it.  Am I not the right kind of Christian?

 


 

Dear (name withheld),

MRFF  does not suppress anyone’s religious freedom. We help guarantee that armed forces members of all faiths and beliefs get equal treatment and opportunities.

We have had occasional  dust ups with individuals or organizations that believe Christianity is our state religion and must be given priority.  Many Christians seem to believe all other religions must remain subordinate to Christianity.

It is time to realize that all religions, large or small, are equal and deserve the respect and legal protections that Christianity does.

Rick Baker
Capt. USAF (Ret)
MRFF Volunteer

 

 

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