Sick and tired

I am so sick and tired of you atheists forcing your non-beliefs on people. You do what you fight so strongly against. It’s freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion. Fyi separation of church and state was put in the Constitution to keep the government out of the church, not the other way around. Why are you so offended by something you don’t believe in? I used to be agnostic, but after looking at all the evidence, I’ve come to realize that intelligent design is the only possible answer. There are way too many things that have to be perfect for intelligent life to form. Distance from the sun. size, composition and distance of the moon. The tilt of the earth on its axis are just a few things that, if changed even slightly, would prevent life from forming. Now I don’t know what or who “god” is. Could be an extremely advanced alien race, could be an all powerful being, who knows. But your right to not believe does not trump my right to believe. So stop, please. You don’t like something of a religious nature, ignore it. Plane and simple. And think on this. Would you rather believe in heaven and hell and be wrong or not believe and be wrong. If you don’t believe and you’re wrong, have fun in hell. If you’re wrong and do believe you’re just dead. I think I’ll believe.

(name withheld)


Dear Sir or Ma’am –

Thanks for your note to MRFF.  Mikey Weinstein has read it, and he has asked me to offer a reply.  I’m a lifelong, committed Christian and an Air Force veteran, in addition to supporting the efforts of MRFF as a volunteer.

First thing you should know is that MRFF is not an atheist organization, nor do we have an anti-religion agenda. We are a pro-Constitution foundation that is dedicated to ensuring that all members of the United States Armed Forces fully receive the Constitutional guarantees of religious freedom to which they and all Americans are entitled by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

You may also be interested to know that the majority of MRFF supporters and the majority of our clients in the military are people of faith, mostly Christians. What binds us to each other and to people of other beliefs, including honorable people who do not believe in God, is the ideal that the US Constitution provides religious freedom to every member of the US military — and if it doesn’t do that, then it means nothing.  And that means that we must be willing to vigorously defend the rights of others, even those with whom we may not agree.

Where I think too many people get tripped up these days is mistaking a lack of preferential treatment for some sort of persecution… but they are two very different things, and only the first applies in this case.

No one is being persecuted or denied their rights by the removal of the poster. The recruiting office and the Army Recruiting Command are held to the same Constitutional standards as all other governmental and military agencies — namely, that there can be no prominence or preference given to any specific sectarian belief over other beliefs or over non-belief.  No one is suggesting that individuals cannot enlist and serve for whatever reason they wish, including a religiously-motivated reason.

America is a vastly diverse, multicultural, pluralistic society comprised of good people of all manner of belief and non-belief.  Our military reflects that diversity, and it needs to be equally respectful of all members. MRFF is committed to supporting the rights of all military members, including Christians. So rather than conclude that the challenge to the recruiting poster was anti-Christian, I’d ask you to consider this — if the poster had said “For Allah and country”, or “For Vishnu and country”, the response from MRFF would have been exactly the same. The issue is constitutionality, not specific religious beliefs.

As for the epiphany you’ve experienced about a Creator, I think that is terrific but it’s really beside the point. Believing in God or a Creator is not required to be a good American, and its certainly not a requirement to serve honorably in our military.

Peace,

Mike Challman
Christian, AF veteran, MRFF supporter


Dear (name withheld),

 

Mikey is currently helping soldiers and asked me to respond to you.

 

I am so sorry that you have been duped by the media in all of its forms about whom and what we really are. They know we aren’t an atheist organization but use that term to rile up people, such as yourself.

 

We are constantly labeled as “atheists”, “liberals” and “left wing,” which are lies. We are also apolitical.

 

We are not anti-God or anti-Christian. Mikey is Jewish and prays 3 times a day to the same Father we do. A full 75% or more of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters with the MRFF are Christians. Out of our 40,000+ military clients (1 can represent 50 and 1 represents 100) are Christians. If anything, we represent Christians more than any other religion but you won’t hear about it because that wouldn’t make a Christian angry against us.

 

Our military is secular and must remain that way. Any person, who wants to defend our country against all enemies foreign and domestic, is free to do so regardless of their religious beliefs or non-belief in a deity.

 

You can’t have freedom of religion without freedom from religion.

 

The religion of the majority in our military does not rule over other religions or those of no religious preference, under the Constitution:

 

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment (Establishment Clause) of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise (Free Exercise Clause) thereof . . . “(1st Amendment)

 

 The Establishment Clause comes before the Free Exercise Clause for a reason; the Free Exercise Clause is subservient to the Establishment Clause – not the other way around as some Christians would like it to be.

 

The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.

 

Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test:

 

  1. Any law or policy must have been adopted with a neutral or non-religious purpose.
  2. The principle or primary effect of any law or policy must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion.
  3. The statute or policy must not result in an “excessive entanglement” of government with religion.

 

If any government entity’s actions fit into one of these three, then it is a violation of the Establishment Clause.

 

The Parker v. Levy case, decided on June 19, 1974, defined under the Uniform Code of Military Justice that “the military constitutes a specialized community governed by a separate discipline from that of the civilian…”

 

The rules that apply to the military do not apply to you or other Christians as civilians.

 

If you did a little research on our website, you would have seen what we stand for.

Our Mission

“The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is dedicated to ensuring that all members of the United States Armed Forces fully receive the Constitutional guarantees of religious freedom to which they and all Americans are entitled by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

MRFF recognizes that military life requires individual adherence to shared patriotic principles.

MRFF also recognizes the need for military personnel to at times temporarily relinquish some Constitutionally granted personal freedoms for the sake of military discipline and objectives.

However, MRFF believes that religious faith is a Constitutionally guaranteed freedom that must never be compromised, except in the most limited of military circumstances, because of its fundamental importance to the preservation of the American nation and the American way of life.

Additionally, MRFF adheres strongly to the principle that religious faith is a deeply personal matter, and that no American has the right to question another American’s beliefs as long as they do not unwontedly intrude on the public space or the privacy or safety of another individual.

Therefore, MRFF holds that:

No religion or religious philosophy may be advanced by the United States Armed Forces over any other religion or religious philosophy.

No member of the United States Armed Forces may be compelled in any way to conform to a particular religion or religious philosophy.

No member of the United States Armed Forces may be compelled in any way to witness or engage in any religious exercise.

No member of the military may be compelled to curtail – except in the most limited of military circumstances and when it directly impacts military discipline, morale and the successful completion of a specific military goal – the free exercise of their religious practices or beliefs.

Students at United States military academies are entitled to the same Constitutional rights pertaining to religious freedoms and the free exercise of those freedoms to which all other members of the United States Armed Forces military are entitled.

No member of the military may be compelled to endure unwanted religious proselytization, evangelization or persuasion of any sort in a military setting and/or by a military superior or civilian employee of the military.

The full exercise of religious freedom includes the right not to subscribe to any particular religion or religious philosophy. The so-called “unchurched” cede no Constitutional rights by want of their separation from organized faith.

It is the responsibility of the military hierarchy to ensure that the free exercise of religious freedoms of all enlisted personnel are respected and served.

All military personnel have the right to employ appropriate judicial means to protect their religious rights.”

I hope this rights the wrongs that you have heard about us.

God bless.

Pastor Joan

MRFF Advisory Board Member


I’m very sorry I misjudged your organization. I just saw an article about a Army recruitment poster and I had to rant because I thought you were another far left atheist organization. The kind that bitches about a cross on the side of the road, a plaque with the ten commandments that sort of thing. But you cannot deny that, espicially under the current administration, there is a war on christianity. People are more worried about offending Muslims. Which is absolutely ridiculous. Granted there are a bunch of batshit crazy people that call themselves “christians”, westburo Baptist for example, and many are pious hypocrites. But many are some of the best and kindest people in the world.

Once again, i apologize for jumping to conclusions. Guess I should have read your website huh.

(name withheld)


Thank you very much. We get so many hate emails that this one is a breath of fresh air.

 

Once people understand who we are and what we do, they realize we are not the monsters we’ve been made out to be.

 

Thank you again for this lovely email.

 

May God bless your socks off!


 

 

 

 

 

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