Nothing Better to Do With Your Time?

Mr. Weinstein,

Sorry you didn’t get your way with the Air Force this time (Robins AFB).  Please forgive me if I don’t wish you better luck next time.  (Do atheists believe in forgiveness?  Hmmm . . .)

Anyway, I’m sure you and I could agree that ours is a country in which the needs, issues, and voice of a minority group or an individual have a right to be heard, carry some weight even.  Accordingly, atheists such as yourself and your “client” from Robins AFB certainly have a right to express your delicate feelings.

On the other hand, atheists are a tiny, tiny minority in this and most other countries (exceptions would include North Korea, so you might be more comfortable there), and in a democracy, by definition, tyranny of the minority over the majority is unacceptable.

So, Mikey, you have my blessing to preach your atheist religion, to proselytize, propagandize even.  Just please stop trying to dictate to the majority what we can say and how we can say it.  Might be a good time for you to review at least the first and fourth amendments to the US constitution.

Have a blessed day, and may the Love of The Lord Jesus Christ illuminate your sou

(name withheld)


 

 

Hi (name withheld)-

Thanks for writing to the MRFF.  Mikey Weinstein has read your email and shared it with me, asking that I offer a reply.  I’m a volunteer who supports the MRFF in a variety of ways, including email correspondence.  I’m also a lifelong, active and committed Christian; USAF Academy graduate (’85); veteran USAF officer; and now a business executive in the supply chain management arena.

To answer the question you posed in the subject line of your note — personally, I can’t think of a much better or more honorable use of one’s time that to serve as an advocate on behalf of all US military members, fighting for the protection of religious freedom for all of them.  And that is exactly what the MRFF does. Specifically, we are dedicated to ensuring that all members of the United States Armed Forces fully receive the Constitutional guarantees of religious freedom to which they and all Americans are entitled by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.

That means that we support the rights of ALL service members of ALL manner of belief (including non-belief).

As for whether “atheists believe in forgiveness?” — I couldn’t say for certain, except to point out that the non-believers that I know are still good and honorable people who wish to do no harm to anyone.  And in any case, you should know that the MRFF is neither an “atheist organization” nor a “religious organization”. Rather we are a pro-Constitution group comprised of many different types of individuals of many different beliefs.  What draws us together is shared commitment to supporting the Constitutional rights of all military members.

Aside from addressing these presumably snarky questions in your note, there is one aspect of what you’ve written that I find very disconcerting… specifically, your apparent belief that while a minority group or individual may have a “right to be heard”, you don’t appear to believe that they have a right to the same Constitutional protections as the “majority”.  You could not be more mistaken, and as long as some of those in the “majority” believe this to be the case, there will continue to be a need for a group such as the MRFF.

Lately, I’ve been doing some reading about the Great Debate that took place between the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists at the time of the creation and ratification of the US Constitution… so your comment that “tyranny of the minority over the majority is unacceptable” caught my eye.  You would do well to read the Federalist papers — one thing you will hear is how Madison and Hamilton expressed grave concern about how the “tyranny of the MAJORITY” can put at risk the civil liberties of minority groups and individuals, and how we must guard against this risk.

As Christians, you and I are quite fortunate to be counted among a Christian majority in America.  But that does not mean that we have a right to give preference or prominence to our beliefs in governmental or military settings.   Rather, if the US Constitution is to be meaningful, it must protect equally the rights of ALL Americans, regardless of whether or not they are in the majority.  And in the case of the US military, that means that the command and control structure must remain entirely neutral with regard to sectarian beliefs.

Thanks again for writing to the MRFF.

Peace,

Mike Challman
Christian, USAF veteran, MRFF supporter


Dear (name withheld),

 

Mikey is swamped with hate mail an asked me to respond to you.

 

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation did not lose but the Constitution, Supreme Court rulings and the Universal Code of Military Justice sure did.

 

And it was clients not client.

 

The Constitution also protects the minority from the majority.

 

First I need to clear up that Mikey is NOT an atheist. He is Jewish and prays to the same Father we do three times a day. The media and others know this but because the word ‘atheist’ would rile up the Christians better and faster than saying he is ‘Jewish’, they choose to be deceitful.

 

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) is made up of more than just Mikey. There is the Board, the Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters of which 75% are Christians. A full 96% of our 40,600+ soldier clients (1 can represent up to 50 and 1 represents 100) are Christians – Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodist, Lutherans, Baptists, Evangelicals, etc. We fight for the rights of these Christians more than any other religion but it never makes the news.

 

We also rely on our military supporters for their expertise in all matters concerning the military and religion. To name just a few that you may heard of:

 

Board Member – Major William E. Barker

Board Member – Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV

Advisory Board Member – Lawrence Wilkerson – Secretary of State Colin Powell’s Chief of Staff (2002-05).

 

The following link has a full list of those on the Advisory Board but does not list the 200 volunteers and supporters world-wide. We also have a liaison on almost every base in the world.

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/foundation-voices/

 

The majority of Christians abide by the Constitution, Supreme Court rulings and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, but there is a small sect of Christianity called Evangelical/Fundamental/Dominionists (not all Evangelicals are Dominionists but all Dominionists are Evangelicals – I am an Evangelical) that have managed over the past three decades to hijack our military. It is this sect we fight against.

 

US Army chaplain MAJ James Linzey, who, in a 1999 video, described mainstream Protestant churches as “demonic, dastardly creatures from the pit of hell “that should be “stomped out.”

 

This is the thinking of the military of today throughout the chain of command all the way to the Pentagon. They believe that the only “true” Christian is one that is “born-again” and has a “spiritual birthday.” All mainline Christians (see above) and those Christians born before 1952 when Bill Bright made up the 4 Spiritual Laws are destined to hell.

 

This thinking is destroying our military from the inside and it is being perpetrated from the Pentagon down to the lowest soldier in a leadership position. It has taken “morale, good order, discipline and unit cohesion” and shredded it beyond recognition, all in the name of religion.

 

If you belong to one of the mainline Christian churches mentioned above, then we are fighting for you, too.

 

We fight for the rights of all soldiers under the Constitution and the laws of our country.

 

Imagine being in the military and being told that it has the right to proselytize you anytime and anywhere to accept their form of Christianity as the only true one; that you must bow your head and listen to ONLY a Christian prayer at mandatory events; that you are a Warrior for Christ; that you are government paid missionaries; that you must cleanse the whole world of other religions and atheists so Jesus can come back and rule 1,000 years; and that your very career, advancements and retainment is based on that religion.

 

This is what we fight against. Our mainline Christians, those of other religions and atheists should not have their careers held hostage by a “religious test” against the Constitution.

 

“. . . no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”   (Article VI, Section III)

 

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment (Establishment Clause) of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise (Free Exercise Clause) thereof . . . “(1st Amendment)

 

The Establishment Clause comes before the Free Exercise Clause for a reason; the Free Exercise Clause is subservient to the Establishment Clause – not the other way around as some Christians would like it to be.

 

“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320.

 

This is his second known use of the term “wall of separation,” here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter.

 

This wording of the original was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause.

 

Jefferson’s concept of “separation of church and state” first became a part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878). In that case, the court examined the history of religious liberty in the US, determining that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, “The word ‘religion’ is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted.” The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the “separation” paragraph from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, “coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.

 

The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.

 

Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the “Lemon Test.”

 

  1. Any law or policy must have been adopted with a neutral or non-religious purpose.
  2. The principle or primary effect of any law or policy must be one that neither advances nor inhibits religion.
  3. The statute or policy must not result in an “excessive entanglement” of government with religion.

 

If any government entity’s actions fit into one of these three, then it is a violation of the Establishment Clause.

 

Then there’s Parker v. Levy:

 

“This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society… While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. … The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it… Speech [to include religious speech] that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command.  If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected.” (Emphasis added) Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 1974

 

The Air Force has not only trampled the Constitution but the Supreme Court Ruling on religious speech in the military, too.

 

Our military is a government entity and must remain secular. Any person that wants to don the uniform of a branch of our military is free to do so with the express admonition from the Constitution and Supreme Court ruling to not exalt one religion over another.

 

The following video will show you that our soldiers – including Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sikhs, other religions and atheists – are being FORCED to endure religious proselytizing in mandatory settings. Also, those that are in boot camp are not even allowed to eat or sleep until they break down and accept their form of Christianity.

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2012/06/shocking-video-mrff-reveals-u-s-military-being-used-as-government-paid-missionaries/

 

Again, these Dominionists are also pre-millenials who believe we have to take dominion over the whole world (using our military), cleanse it of all religions that do not believe in their sect and non-believers so that Jesus can come back and rule for 1,000 years which throws out the book of Revelations where Jesus said He is coming back with His Heavenly Army, cleanse the earth and then rule.

 

The book of Revelations is the ONLY book in the whole bible that has a curse on it. John said:

“For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” (Revelations 22:18-19)

The bible also says:

“Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.” (Romans 13:1-2)

I wouldn’t want to be that Christian that replaces Jesus’ heavenly army with our military and reap the curses according to Revelations or ‘incur judgment’ if I disobey the laws set forth by our ‘governing authorities.’

We are not anti-Christian but are trying to stop this sect from ruining the lives and careers of our fellow Christian brothers and sisters, those of others religions and non-believers.

 

The reason it seems that we are picking on Christians (not all Christians even though they are being swept up in religious fervor against us for the dominionists purposes) is because this sect is the ONLY one over stepping the bounds of our Constitution, case law and military law.

 

Our Mission Statement states exactly what we stand for:

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/our-mission/

 

And, yes, we fight for freedom of religion under a specific time, place and manner and freedom from religion because our military is secular and must remain that way.

 

The bottom line is that saying “have a blessed day” by those in the military goes against all that our country’s laws stand for.

 

You said:

Might be a good time for you to review at least the first and fourth amendments to the US constitution.

I already showed you the First Amendment and subsequent laws referring to it, but the Fourth Amendment?

Amendment IV

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

 

What in the world does this have to do with religious freedom in the military?

 

I’m not in the military (I did work for the military under contract from 2003-2004) so I am free to say,

“Have a blessed day, and may the Love of The Lord Jesus Christ illuminate your soul.”

Pastor Joan

MRFF Advisory Board Member


 

 

Dear (name withheld) of the apparently self-determined illuminated soul,

What gave you the idea that Mikey Weinstein is an atheist? Surely you’re illuminated enough to not believe everything you read.

If you’re interested in having a communication that isn’t just a wrong-headed, one-way, snide attempt at a put-down of someone

you don’t know but have the audacity to think you know everything about, I’ll be happy to help you to a better understanding of the actual
facts instead of the nonsense you’ve been fed and have obviously imbibed willingly. You’ve certainly regurgitated it thoughtlessly.

As regards your sad attempt at a political discussion, you managed to get that wrong as well. What one has to be careful about in a

democracy is actually the tyranny of the majority, not the reverse.

As you wallow in your illumination, remember what someone once said about pride.

If you’d rather not actually engage with someone who can explain how wrong your assumptions are, I certainly understand, but if

so, do yourself the favor of reading the mission statement of the MRFF and see how it fits the conception you’ve had stuffed into

your self-illuminated head.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)

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