Mikey Quote

Someday you will be able to quote to God Himself Mikey’s quote. Wish you understand what this country was actually founded on – Jesus Christ!
Whether you agree or disagree…fact remains as does the love Jesus has for you. Praying for you all…
Blessings,
(name withheld)
And MERRY CHRISTMAS!! GOD BLESS YOU!!

Dear (name withheld),
The Treaty of Tripoli was signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796.It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797;a mere 8 yearssince our Constitution went into effect. If what was written was wrong in anyway, there would have been uproar. But, it passed unanimously and confirmed that America was not founded on Christianity.

Treaty of Tripoli:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

.The Constitution reflects our founder’s views of a secular government protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief.
The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, “The idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety.”
“The Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered”. George Lincoln Burr (1857 – 1938), Professor of History and Librarian at Cornell University
“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
 
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813
“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion” 

“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.” 
James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, EcclesiasticalEndowments
 
“God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773
 
“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.”
James Madison 1785 Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments
“Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read ‘A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”
As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320.
According to our Founding Fathers the Constitution is not based on Christianity or biblical law.
Blessings to you, too.
Pastor Joan
MRFF Advisory Board Member

Dear (name withheld),

Although you fail to actually mention what quote and from what source you’re referring to, I thought I’d take a moment to clear up the glaring delusion you hold out as a ‘pearl of wisdom’.  If by ‘this country’ you’re referring to the United States of America (you had trouble even being clear about this), your delusion that it was founded on Jesus Christ is simply wrong.  Period. End of Discussion.

 

“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
-1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by John Adams

 

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

 

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
-James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, ‘Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion’

 

Your attempt to justify your delusion as fact was also addressed by our founding fathers.

 

“When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obligated to call for help of the civil power, it’s a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.”

-Benjamin Franklin, letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780

 

Unlike yourself, my personal belief in Christ and his teachings (i.e. faith) is not so feeble as to make me feel the need to prop up my Christian faith and heritage with government approved crutches.  To do so as a patriotic American would be weak willed and would come at the expense of my duty to protect and defend my Constitution and the secular democratic republic it established.  I defend both my Christian faith and my very secular Constitution proudly and equally.  Unlike Theocrats and Taliban wanna-bes; I don’t feel the need to defend one at the expense of the other.

 

Sincerely,

Andy Kasehagen (Proud Christian and MRFF Supporter)


 

Oh Joan,

Bless your heart for trying. I never said our Constitution was founded on Christianity…if you step back it was indeed found in the presence of Jesus Christ and His blessings. Maybe a tour of the artwork and architecture in the white house will enlighten you a little. Just a little. Yet…even before that…

 

No need to argue/debate with you as someday you’ll fully understand. And the great thing is – when you stand before God Himself you can explain all that to Him. Hopefully His Grace forgives you for pushing Him away. Praying for you! Remember, Jesus loves you!

 

Merry Christmas!!

 

Blessings,

(name withheld)


 

 

Oh (name withheld),

 

I’m doing just fine with my Lord and Savior.

 

As a descendant of the real Native Americans, there’s another side to the story that hasn’t been taught.

 

I have been to DC several times and spoke in Freedom Plaza in 2008 – the night Hurricane Hanna ended. I’ve been to the White House, The Lincoln Memorial, Smithsonian Institute, got a pass from my Senator for Congress, took a night sightseeing bus tour to many sites and more.

 

God has nothing to forgive me for when he plainly states to obey our governing authorities or we will bring judgment on ourselves. I am obeying our governing authorities by upholding the laws of the land.

 

Merry Christmas and may God bless your socks off!

 

Pastor Joan


 

Hi (name withheld),

Sorry I don’t have more time to spend explaining things to you,

You’re welcome to your belief, as is everyone else. That’s our point. Forcing one’s beliefs on others is against the law and against military regulations, as one hopes you would know. But since you apparently don’t, you’re still welcome to your belief and we will continue our work.

Merry Christmas to you.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)

 

 

 

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