America

Founded by Christians all. Every man, woman, and child lived in Christian strictures. A country based on your candy assed principles couldn’t fight its way out of a wet paper bag.

(name withheld)


 

Dear (name withheld),

 

You are wrong. They tried but failed miserably.

Treaty of Tripoli took effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797; a mere 8 years since our Constitution:

“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion…”

 

The Constitution reflects our founder’s views of a secular government protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief.

 

The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, “The idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety.”

 

“The Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered”. George Lincoln Burr (1857 – 1938), Professor of History and Librarian at Cornell University

 

“Í am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect over another.”

Thomas Jefferson’s letter to Elbridge Gerry January 26, 1799

 

“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

 

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”

Thomas Jefferson in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813

“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788

“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.” 

James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments

 

“God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773

 

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.

What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.”

James Madison 1785 Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments

 

“Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read ‘A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;’ the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”

As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

 

“I am for freedom of religion and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendancy of one sect above another.”

Thomas Jefferson’s letter to Elbridge Gerry January 26, 1799

 

According to our Founding Fathers, the Constitution is not based on Christianity or biblical law.

 

Pastor Joan

MRFF Advisory Board Member


 

Dear (name withheld) –

 

I am writing in response to your February 29, 2016 email to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (“MRFF”).  Since you failed to use complete sentences, responding will be difficult.  However, I will do my best.

 

First, I assume that by “Founded by Christians all,” you mean to claim that this country was founded by Christians.  That may or may not be true – there is evidence that Adams rejected the divinity of Jesus; that Jefferson also did not believe in said divinity, the virgin birth, the resurrection, or original sin; and Madison, who wrote the Constitution, opposed government-paid Chaplains.  In any event, even if our Founding Fathers were all Christian, they clearly chose to create a government based on democratic principles rather than religious principles.  Thus, their personal religious beliefs are irrelevant.

 

You next state, “Every man, woman, and child lived in Christian strictures.”  Again, I can only assume what you mean by this since you provide no context, such as time or location.  Presuming you claim that there was a time in this country when every citizen practiced Christianity, such an assertion simply cannot be true.  As an initial matter, the Native Americans, who were here before us, had their own religious beliefs.  Putting that aside, I have already stated that the religious faith of our Founding Fathers themselves is in question.  If the drafters of the Constitution did not believe in the core concepts of Christianity, it cannot be declared that “every man, woman, and child” believed in and practiced Christianity.

 

I want to congratulate you for making your final statement a complete sentence, to which I can confidently respond: “A country based on your candy assed principles couldn’t fight its way out of a wet paper bag.”  While colorful, this statement is also false.  The principles you describe as “candy assed” are not the principles of MRFF, but core standards set forth in the Constitution.  Accordingly, this great country is, in fact, based on such “candy assed principles.”  It cannot be realistically argued that our military cannot “fight its way out of a wet paper bag.”

 

We at MRFF fight tirelessly to ensure that the mandates of the Constitution are enforced in order to ensure the religious freedom of all brave men and women in uniform.  In the future, I sincerely suggest you learn some facts before challenging the motives of MRFF or any other organization.

 

Sincerely,

 

Tobanna Barker


 

..”but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States”.

“Prudence indeed will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes”. The DOI goes on to indicate that people tend to favor enduring suffering than change. You have suffered from broken homes, addiction, mental pathologies for a very long time, and it is against your natures to bask in the glow of love, and trust that people with good intentions and loving hearts enjoy. President Obama is a Christian. But who’s to say that the state of our moral, ethical, medical, and economic decline is not proportional to his rather tepid adherence to Christian strictures? In this country, the Church does not appear in the public record as promoting indifference, or violence, or jealousy, or greed. In fact Christianity has grown with the times, take Thanksgiving. The colonists, all Christians, in an effort to preserve the well being of all, instituted a Karl Marx tenant, which I’m sure you are all familiar with, of keeping only the portion of what you produce to fulfill your needs, while the balance went into a trust. Some people don’t like to work and they existed in that time. Earners began to rebel and the American system, the reverse system worked fine and solidified the colonies. It’s time that You people interpret the record, or at least learn to, the way normal, mentally balanced people do. How disgraceful you people are for sullying, and denying people of faith the opportunity to express appreciation, and grief, at the loved lost in past conflicts. Just disgusting.

(name withheld)


 

Dear (name withheld),
The Declaration of Independence was against British rule and cannot be used in place of the Constitution.
Not all of the colonists were Christians.
You sound like the pseudo-historian David Barton who has been debunked by many true historians. If you are, do yourself a favor and check his footnotes. Or go to the Library of Congress and check it out.
What’s disgusting is people like you who spew this garbage as fact.
Joan Slish

Dear (name withheld),

Woefully uninformed or willfully ignorant, either way you couldn’t reason your way out of a paper bag, and would probably get slaughtered by noon Christians like Pat Tillman should you ever pursue an opportunity to test sine finder skills.

Read John.  You need it more than most.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

Cheers,

Blake A. Page
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Special Assistant to the President
Director of US Army Affairs

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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