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  1. American Patriot

    When you hear the word liberal Jewish, you might as well say “self-hating Jew”!

    J Street is a notorious anti-Israel and anti-Zionist Jewish organization. Any conservative or Israeli Jew denounces J Street!

    The liberal Christian organizations are best known as apostate churches and organizations!

  2. Connie

    Dominionist pig
    Tells others their faith isn’t
    Real. Hubris at best!

  3. American Patriot

    Apostates do not have a biblical faith Connie, for they violate scriptural principles and teachings, that is why they are apostate.

  4. Connie

    You keep telling yourself that pig. I’m sure it helps you sleep at night.

  5. G

    And K Street AP is the home of lobbyist firms who don’t care about who they hurt even though many of its personnel are Christians.

  6. Mark Sebree

    Anti-Patriot,

    According to you, pretty much anyone who does not believe exactly the same things that you believe and is also a Christian is an apostate.

    You do not get to determine what the beliefs of others are. You do not get to dictate who is and is not a Christian. You do not get to decide who is and is not an apostate. Your beliefs apply to nobody except you. Most people are not theocratic as you are. Most people are compassionate, considerate, tolerant, understanding, and care for their fellow human beings, which means that they would not be interested in the hateful, intolerant, bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic, irrational, bullying beliefs that you promote. It is people like you who are driving young people away from religion, and especially right-wing, theocratic, dominionistic, intolerant beliefs like yours.

  7. American Patriot

    Mark,
    Did you know that the bible nowhere says that we have to be tolerant? Did you know that bible nowhere says that God is tolerant, in fact He is intolerant towards our sin, and if He does not tolerate sin, why should His followers. Scripture says that He hates sin. Let me ask you Mark, how tolerant are you of a crying baby in a movie a theater during a movie, or of a child who throws a massive temper tantrum on the floor of a restaurant while you are eating, especially if the child is yours that is throwing the temper tantrum?

    You say that I am misogynistic, well I challenge you to prove that! Please name for me women that I know personally and the dates that I showed any misogynistic treatment towards! Oh that is right, you cannot, because that was merely an accusation without anything to back it up with!

    I just love the typical liberal talking points, just because Christians do not approve of the sinful behavior of gay people not want it espoused in our culture does not make us bigots. My former manager at work was a lesbian, did I approve of her lifestyle, of course not, but I was respectful towards her and submitted to her leadership of our work team.

    Going back to being intolerant, scripture says that we are not to tolerate even sin in the church. If a brother or sister in Christ is committing willful sin, then there is a biblical three step approach to confronting them, if they not submit to the confrontation to repent of their sin, then they are to be brought before the whole church and to be excommunicated and to have no association with them at all unless they repent, then the are to be welcomed back into the church. That is how serious God and intolerant He is regarding sin. Timothy writes in his first letter – “As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so the rest may stand in fear.” 1 Tim. 5:20

    If God will judge the sin of the church, just think how He will judge the sins of a nation! Even God has said – “Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.” – Proverbs 14:34

  8. G

    Well AP, it is quite clear that that despite the fact that God sent his son to died for our sins, his plan did not work since sin is still around. If God was so intolerant of sin, then where was he when all this priest sexual misconduct was occurring for decades if not for centuries?

    “Did you know that the bible nowhere says that we have to be tolerant? ”

    What about the Biblical verse about loving our neighbors and our enemies?

    “If they not submit to the confrontation to repent of their sin, then they are to be brought before the whole church and to be excommunicated and to have no association with them at all unless they repent, then the are to be welcomed back into the church.”

    Well as far as I know, the churches never do this excommunication because then they would shut down since there would be no one attending church plus the church leaders would have to excommunicated themselves first.

  9. Connie

    American Patriot the pig, the definition of bigot is a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

    Please explain how your insistence LGBTQA people not be represented in their communities and culture is not considered bigotry?

    As for your work leader – you may believe you were respectful. I’m willing to bet you weren’t as respectful as you think you were. Since she isn’t here to give her perspective the issue of whether or not you behaved correctly will remain unclear.

    Pig asked Mark a question that sounds a lot like something Yeshua Warrior asked almost a year ago. I’m on my phone so can’t do the research to verify. Here are my thoughts.

    Pig wrote: “Let me ask you Mark, how tolerant are you of a crying baby in a movie a theater during a movie, or of a child who throws a massive temper tantrum on the floor of a restaurant while you are eating, especially if the child is yours that is throwing the temper tantrum?”

    First question – why would you set a baby up to fail by insisting they stay quiet and still during a movie? Shoot, with my body issues I have a hard time sitting that long without trouble. I don’t expect a baby to do what I can not.

    Second question – children are bundles of emotions they can’t control (yet). When I see a young person having a melt down I question the parents communication skills. I wonder if the child needs food NOW and why the parent with all their extra resources wouldn’t be mindful of that fact. I also wonder if the parent overwhelmed the child with too many choices. There are many reasons for a melt down, and they are as varied as the individual child.

    As an adult I have to tolerate other humans, even people like you pig. In my journeys through life I learned that sharing is how everyone moves forward, not just the favored few.

    There is a story I read in one of the Phule books by Robert Aspirin. There was a standing challenge between teams regarding an obstacle course. The opposing team consisted of well trained recruits, each one in fine physical health. Phule’s team was composed of misfits with only a few in perfect physical health. The first team ran the course one soldier at a time earning a respectable time and score. When it was Phule’s turn he had all his soldiers run together as a team. Running at the same time they flattened the course and no one was left behind. Of course they won.

    Your black and white thinking pig is outdated. Perhaps you need an update? I can suggest some good teaching stories if you need any ideas.

  10. American Patriot

    When a two year old is throwing a meltdown tantrum on the floor because they are not getting their way, then you take the child to the restroom or outside and give them a nice swat on the butt. A swat on the butt has never hurt anyone. Millellenials today are probably so much crybabies because their parents never cared to discipline their little behinds when they needed it.

    My former manager gave me very good reviews each year and she knew where I stood regarding her lifestyle.

  11. American Patriot

    G,
    Christ died for our sins but that does not mean He was to remove our sin nature. Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was to take away the penalty of our sins, but we are still human with a sin nature but now we have an advocate in heaven who will forgive our sins when we confess them and repent of them.

    Of course we can love our enemies and neighbors but it does not mean that I have to tolerate their sinful behavior. I can love my child but still not tolerate their rebellious attitude toward me as a parent.

    A police officer can respect someone as a human being but not tolerate the crime they are committing.

    Love and toleration G are two separate things.

  12. Connie

    Pig – discipline and violence are not the same. Hitting a child tells them violence is always the first response.

    I know many children who are polite and intelligent who have never been hit. I found talking and a judicial use of time out to be more effective. Of course you advocate violence pig, I’ve read your posts.

  13. G

    AP, a lot of adults from the Greatest Generation, the Silent Generation, and the Baby Boomer generation like Reagan, the Koch Brother, and Bush, Jr., who deserve to have their heads whacked, and their butts swatted even when they were full grown adults because they are always whining about anything and everything.

    “A police officer can respect someone as a human being but not tolerate the crime they are committing.”

    Cops as individuals and as a group are conservatives who have no respect for people who are different from them. They only respect people who they know can cause trouble to them.

    “Love and toleration G are two separate things.”

    Care to elaborate; however, I doubt you can do so since you obviously have neither one.

    “I can love my child but still not tolerate their rebellious attitude toward me as a parent.”

    Yeah and about kids not tolerating their parent’s bad actions both at home and at work? Many adults seem to think that just because they are parents at home and bosses at work, it gives them any kind of diplomatic immunity when they have been wrecking the economy for the last 36 years and were never held accountable for their actions? Believe me if kids had economic, political, and social powers, their parents would think twice about messing up society and the kids.

    “Christ died for our sins but that does not mean He was to remove our sin nature. Christ’s sacrifice on the cross was to take away the penalty of our sins, but we are still human with a sin nature but now we have an advocate in heaven who will forgive our sins when we confess them and repent of them.”

    Yeah, but t that was never explained to me by the church authorities; yet, people like you keep preaching about how Christ died for our sins. Seem to me that Christ still die for nothing if we still have a sinful nature.

    “…but now we have an advocate in heaven who will forgive our sins when we confess them and repent of them.”

    You have not making sense. First, you tell us that we will be judged by God whether we confess or not and now you are telling us we can sin as much as we want and it will all be forgiven when we see God and repent our sins and all will be forgiven. Its kind of like a person like Adolf Hitler or a mafia leader like Al Capone committing all sorts of crimes against humanity and then they get a free pass when they meet God instead of being sent to Hades.

  14. G

    “…, but we are still human with a sin nature but now we have an advocate in heaven who will forgive our sins when we confess them and repent of them.”

    Sounds like God’s plan to save the human race by sacrificing his son was for nothing. God does not seems to be all powerful as we are perceive to believe.

  15. G

    “Pig – discipline and violence are not the same. Hitting a child tells them violence is always the first response”

    Trouble is Connie, too many people think that discipline is just saying yes sir, yes madam and just being obedience robots with no right to express a different viewpoint, different perspective, no right to complain about something that is wrong, and no right to question and challenge authority especially when it is doing something wrong.

    Here is the original concept of discipline: The word “discipline” originates from the Latin word disciplina which means “instruction” and 
    derives from the root discere which means “to learn

    Unfortunately, society has completely thrown out the original meaning of the word discipline a long time.

  16. G

    “A police officer can respect someone as a human being but not tolerate the crime they are committing.”

    Funny I see the cops tolerating the white collar, corporate crimes that have been committed since this country has been founded. In addition, the cops have been tolerating crimes committed by their own fellow cops. I am sure that you have heard the Blue Wall of Silence, AP.

  17. Connie

    G – discipline guides me in journey as I do my best to walk in the beauty way. I understand the temptation of violence but that is an avenue I do my best to avoid.

    That said, my favorite T-shirt says “Do no harm but take no sh#t”. I understand a rabid animal needs to be put out of their misery. Every bite of food I eat is the result of something dieing. Death doesn’t scare me.

    I’ve just never had much use for the “I’m big, your not, so I’m right” school of thought. Where is the logic? Where is the empathy? You might as well aske to divide by zero.

    Humanity faces huge environmental changes. Changes brought about by us. We are so screwed if this is the best we can do.

  18. American Patriot

    Connie,
    Swatting a child on the butt for misbehaving or being disobedient or rebellious is called correction. God even allows for it – Proverbs 22:15Tree of Life Version (TLV)

    15 Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child,
    but a rod of discipline will drive it far from him.
    Proverbs 13:24 – He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent with discipline.
    I would agree though that parents should never discipline their children out of anger.

    Scripture says that God disciplines us for our own good.

    My daughters mother and I swatted her when she was little and did not hurt her, she even today thanks us for doing that for it taught her respect for her parents and authority and she is carrying a 4.4 GPA this year in school. She also loves the Lord and plans on serving Him as a high school teacher after college.

  19. American Patriot

    G,
    You want God to poof make you perfect after dying for your sins, that is not how it works dude. Christ’s sacrifice on the cross for you and me was meant to take away the penalty for our sins which is eternal death, not to “poof” makes us perfect. Christians who have accepted this sacrifice now have the power residing in them in the Holy Spirit which allows us to overcome our sin nature so that we obey God and not sin. As a non believer, you and Connie have no option but to sin for you are in bondage to your sin nature.

  20. Connie

    AP Pig – Stockholm Syndrome is real. Of course your daughter approves of those in power over her. What choice have you given her?

    Your sharing of family lets me know you are the traitor Dominionist Yeshua Warrior aka Holy Rebel aka Rev Bob – the man who told me the Golden Rule was not included in the Christian Bible. Good times. Or not.

    Do you remember telling me, in graphic detail, how you would enjoy spiritually raping me? How like your deity you’ve become pig. YHVH would be proud although his son might have a few words to say.

    You claim moral superiority yet your actions prove you posses a cruel and blood thirsty heart. Your comments reveal you to be proud of your ignorance with no curiosity to explore outside your self imposed black and white lines.

    The funniest part of your latest comment to me is you thinking I care one jot for your faith, your god, or your opinion. I know I live a life well lived. When I die I go knowing I did my best and that is enough for me.

    You don’t have the authority to condemn me – for any reason. If loving my neighbor as myself means I’m living in sin, then dip me in butterscotch sauce and call me a sinner!!!

  21. G

    “You want God to poof make you perfect after dying for your sins, that is not how it works dude.”

    You have proof of that? Has anyone come down from heaven after they die and tell you how it works with regards to sin? No, you and the church authorities are just making this stuff up.

    “but to sin for you are in bondage to your sin nature.”

    Since when have people been in bondage for being born with original sin when being born on this planet?

    Again you are being a hypocrite. You stated that we will be judged for our sins and at the same time, you stated that if we repent for our sins when we stand before God, we will not be sent to Hades.

  22. American Patriot

    Oh gee Connie, my daughter does not suffer from Stockholm Syndrome. She is greatly loved and well taken care of and will not lack for anything. She knows that scripture says that “children are to obey their parents” and when they are little they got a little swat on the butt for not obeying. As my daughter grew up then discipline became grounding her and taking away certain privileges. As soon as she starts driving and gets her own car, then dad can take the car keys from her and she gets to either get a ride to work or take a city bus if she violates my standards for how to use the car.

    Some of your comments Connie only confirm out of your own mouth that you are mental ill, however, I hear that Lethium now comes in chocolate flavor for you!

  23. American Patriot

    G,
    I know no Christians once accepting Christ they have become perfect. As the saying goes, “Christians are not perfect, just forgiven.”

    When I said earlier that those who die in their sins without accepting Christ will face eternal judgment for their sins and for not accepting Christ as their Lord and Savior. Those who have accepted Christ, we may blow it, but we can be forgiven by confessing our sins to God, and repenting, which means to make a 180 and turn away from them.

    The love of God would even forgive Hitler if he confessed his sins and repented and accepted Christ as his Savior.

  24. G

    Again you make no sense AP, First you say that we are going to be judged by God whether we get send to Hades or not and then you say if we repent, we will be saved. Then explain why we have Hell for people who committed terrible sins like murder? Sounds like you need to be to get mental help not Connie.

    You don’t know any Christians because they have not come down from heaven and told you about the sin process.

    Far as I am concern, this religious stuff about people being born with original sin is a bunch of hogwash. It is kind of like blaming the victim for causing the crime in the first place.

  25. American Patriot

    Have you broken any of the ten commandments G? Have you lied with anyone? Why is one of a child’s first words after mommy or daddy is NO?

  26. G

    And what is the point of your questions AP?

    “Why is one of a child’s first words after mommy or daddy is NO?”

    Yeah and one of the first words that comes out of a manager mouth, a CEO’s mouth, and a wealthy person’s mouth is NO when it comes to paying taxes, providing good paying jobs and decent healthcare, good working conditions, etc. Too many of them act like spoiled children since the day they were born.

  27. Connie

    *Pain is my constant companion tonight. Hope my words are clear. *

    AP the pig

    First – the drug is ‘lithium’ not lethium. Lethium is a drug from the Flash Gordon comic adventure series.

    Second – are you a doctor to diagnos exactly what is wrong with me? I already admitted to being diagnosed as mentally ill in another post. Clever you using it against me here. Extra points for trying to make a joke. We crazy women do like our chocolate (sarcasm font)

    Third – I base my statement of Stockholms Syndrome on the many blogs of women who escaped the Quiverful and Dominionist movements. It is tragic to read of so many women revealing the same symptoms, the same abuse of authority, the same squashing of their essential personalities.

    Of course the pig will say these women sinned by rebelling against their parents and husbands. The pig will accuse me of being intolerant of the pig’s biblically based lifestyle. I’m intolerant of any way of life which forces a person to be something they are not.

    It comes down to consent. When a person makes an informed decision of how they live their life I have no issues. When people or more specifically girls are shoved into roles based on 2000 year old archaic rules then I have more than one issue.

    Why is a child’s first word no? Because in a Dominionist household that is the word a baby hears the most. Well girl babies at least. Why do toddlers use the word no? Because they are learning how to tell the difference between themselves and others. Such a simple word empowers them for the first time. Rebellion? Hardly for a person has to know about rebellion and disrespect first. Using violence at this point is very damaging to a child. It teaches them only that the big person is correct because they are doing the smacking while the small person is wrong because they are on the receiving end of the smacking.

    G is correct – all this conjecture of what will happen when we die is pointless. No one has any evidence of what happens to the essential us that makes us the people we are.

    No one.

    Pig – your ideas are conjecture only no matter how ‘inspired’ your holy text may be. Show me evidence and I’ll change my view. Until then the available evidence says on this planet, in this universe with the known dimensions, when a person dies their body becomes a stinky paperweight. End of story.

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