Yours is a worthless organization

GO AIR FORCE!!!  I LOVE TO SEE MIKEY THE WUSS LOSE SLEEP BECAUSE SOMEONE IN THE MILITARY CRAPPED IN HIS BREAKFAST.  YOURS IS A WORTHLESS ORGANIZATION.

(name withheld)


Response by MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish

Dear (name withheld),

I hate to burst your joyful bubble but the article you read isn’t up to date and is lying to you even though we notified them of their error. The final outcome was that we actually won.

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/2016/12/121216-breaking-mrff-prevails-usafa-deletes-social-media-page-from-official-usafa-athletics-site-that-linked-to-coachs-evangelical-christian-tweets/

 

The media omits the fact that Mikey does not operate alone and they leave out the laws that are being broken.

 

We are neither an atheist organization nor are we anti-Christian. Mikey is Jewish (and prays to the same Father we do 3 times a day) and 80% of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters (300 in total) of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) are Christians. In fact, 96% of our 48,300+ soldier clients are mainline Christians and we fight for them more than any other belief or non-belief.

 

We also have many honorable and distinguished military personnel, whom we rely on for their expertise on religion in the military, on our Board and Advisory Board.

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/foundation-voices/

 

As defenders of the Constitution we fight for the separation of church and state.

 

“…but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” (Article I, III)

This means that from the President to Congress to the military – no one’s job is based on their religion.

 

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (Establishment Clause), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Free Exercise Clause).”(First Amendment)

 

The Establishment Clause means that you cannot favor one religion over another even though it is in the majority. This clause respects the RIGHTS of all religions. Our military is SECULAR and there are people of other faiths that don the uniform that love this country.

 

The Free Exercise Clause (which is subservient to the Establishment Clause) means that our soldiers are free to exercise any religion they want or no religion at all but cannot elevate one God above others.

 

“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320.

 

This is his second known use of the term “wall of separation,” here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter.

 

This wording of the original was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause.

 

“Jefferson’s concept of “separation of church and state” first became a part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878). In that case, the court examined the history of religious liberty in the US, determining that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, “The word ‘religion’ is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted.” The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the “separation” paragraph from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, “coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.

 

In 1878 “separation of church and state” became part of the Establishment Clause by law.

 

The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.

 

Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test:

 

Government action violates the Establishment Clause unless it:
1. has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose,
2. does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion
3. does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion

 

Parker v. Levy:

“This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society… While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. … The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it… Speech [in any form] that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command.  If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected.” (Emphasis added) Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 1974

 

AFI (Air Force Instruction) 1-1, Section 2.12:

2.12. Balance of Free Exercise of Religion and Establishment Clause. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for their own free exercise of religion, including individual expressions of religious beliefs, and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. They must ensure their words and actions cannot reasonably be construed to be officially endorsing or disapproving of, or extending preferential treatment for any faith, belief, or absence of belief.

 

So, no, coach Steed Lobotzke cannot use his government Air Force account to elevate and promote the Christian God above all others. Doing so is in violation of the Constitution (Establishment Clause), Reynolds v. U.S., Lemon v. Kurtzman, the Lemon Test, Parker v. Levy and AFI 1-1, Section 2.12.

 

When the military oversteps the laws in effect concerning religious neutrality, we step in to protect ALL soldiers’ religious freedoms.

 

Our 48,300+ clients don’t feel that we’re worthless. That makes 48,299+ more than you.

 

No sleep lost among us.

 

Joan Slish

MRFF Advisory Board Member


 

Thank you, Joan.  I’m sure you are all wonderful people.  You’ve perverted the “separation clause” but that’s nothing new in today’s world.  You are an extremist organization but as long as you’re happy the fight will continue.

 

Have a wonderful day.  “…or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”.

(name withheld)


Response by MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish

No, the Supreme Court clarified the “separation clause.”

Joan Slish


 

The separation of church and state does not mean the exclusion of God, righteousness, or morality, from the state.  The Supreme Court has it wrong..on this, abortion, and gay marriage.  They do not trump God or the desires of the founding fathers.

 

Let’s agree to disagree.

(name withheld)


Response by MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish

Dear (name withheld),

The Treaty of Tripoli was signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796.It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797; a mere 8 years since our Constitution went into effect. If what was written was wrong in anyway, there would have been uproar. But, it passed unanimously and confirmed that America was not founded on Christianity.

 

Treaty of Tripoli: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

 

The Constitution reflects our founder’s views of a secular government protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief.

 

The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, “The idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety.”

 

“The Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered”. George Lincoln Burr (1857 – 1938), Professor of History and Librarian at Cornell University

 

“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

 

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”

Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813

“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788

“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion

“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.” 

James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments

 

“God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773

 

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution. What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.”

James Madison 1785 Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments

 

“Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”

As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

 

The Unites States is not a theocracy and according to our Founding Fathers the Constitution is not based on Christianity or biblical law.

Joan Slish


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

Hey (name withheld),

Happy Holidays to you, too. Actually, the military simply forgot it had to follow regulations and cleared things up when Mikey pointed it out to them.

Hope things work out as well for you.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)


 Response from Tobanna Barker  MRFF Legal Affairs Coordinator
Dear (name withheld),
I am writing in response to your December 14, 2016 email to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (“MRFF”).  I am disappointed that you believe an organization devoted solely to protecting the constitutional rights of all soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, cadets, and veterans to be “worthless.”  These brave men and women in uniform sacrifice so much to defend this great nation and our freedoms under the Constitution.  Yet, you care nothing for their rights and consider those who work to ensure that they enjoy the same rights they protect to be “worthless.”

 

We at MRFF work tirelessly to protect our protectors.  If anything keeps us up at night, it is not because anyone “crapped” in our breakfasts – it is because oxygen thieves, such as yourself, are so arrogant to believe that your personal opinions are more important that the constitutional rights of our service members.

 

Blessed be,

 

Tobanna Barker
MRFF Legal Affairs Coordinator

 I should have been less abrasive regarding my comments but in my opinion, so I apologize. For a coach to share scripture with his team and be reprimanded is depriving him of his constitutional right.  Judeo-Christian precepts are the rock this country was built upon.  It is not a Saturday or Sunday thing to do, it’s a way of life.  Sharing any faith based-beliefs, no matter where, is not violating anyone’s right except those who are deprived of that expression.  Pretty soon, if someone sneezes and another person says “bless you” they’ll probably have some separationist nut raise hell with them.

I’ve got a Jewish business partner and we marvel at how insane our world has become.  He feels the same way I do and is not threatened or offended if someone says, Merry Christmas.  What is the primary basis for the moral deficiencies this country suffers from in our present day?
Thanks for your response.
(name withheld)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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