USAFA

Dear MRFF team, 
 
I admire your work.  
 
Here’s a question for you, if you have a moment to answer.  
 
I understand that USAFA has a long, problematic history with first amendment issues, but I don’t understand why that is so versus other academies or installations.  
 
Yes, Colorado Springs is a hub of fundamentalism, but lots of military towns have similar demographics, yet less of a history of bigotry. 
 
Just wondering if you have a theory.  Thank you. 

regards,
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
thx for the reach out (name withheld)…..the proximity to the fundamentalist Christian Vatican of Colo. Spgs. plays a very significant role….the culture of USAFA has been wretchedly inextricably intertwined with fundamentalist Christianity since the 80’s…….started when I was there in ’73 to ’77……but was very clandestine and not noticed…MRFF has 214 clients at USMA and 78 at USNA….414 at USAFA…..nearly another 50,000 at all other installations in the U.S. and overseas….
           Mikey Weinstein

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31 Comments

  1. Joshua Rownd

    “Christian Vatican” how interesting, well at least our leader is Jesus Christ and not some old pope who wears a stupid looking hat while our wears a crown of thorns. Our does not worship an imperfect woman named Mary and venerate dead “saints.” We worship the child of the woman Mary as the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Their saints have to had perform some kind of miracle and be dead, the scriptures says that we are automatically called “saints” just by our personal relationship with Christ even if we are still alive. Theirs is the false church, while ours is the true Body of Christ.

    Islam has Mecca, Catholicism has the Vatican, Evangelicals have the whole world, since Christ is the Lord of the world and wherever His followers are there you have the Body of Christ.

  2. Delta One

    Sorry Joshua, as a christian you should know better than denigrate another christian, even if they are of a different denomination than yours. Catholicism has ~1.27 billion members worldwide and has been around since the 1st century. Although I’m not catholic, I do respect their right to practice their faith the way they see fit. You should be ashamed of yourself and seek understanding instead of making statements for which you have no understanding. The Pope is the vicar of christ and leader of the church. What is your title so we can disrespect it also?

    Evangelicals are trying to make good, you just set them back a few centuries, dumb_a$$!

  3. G

    JR, if Mary was imperfect, then why did God chose her to give birth to Christ instead of sending Christ down to Earth straight from heaven?

    “……the scriptures says that we are automatically called “saints” just by our personal relationship with Christ even if we are still alive.”

    Funny, the church authorities never informed me that I was a saint even though I went through the entire Catholic school system. Another thing was that the Catholic leaders told us that if we want a relationship with Christ, we need to go through his priests, nuns, bishops, etc. It was one of these small, pretty, stupid things that led to the Protestant Reformation and all these stupid religious wars between the Christians.

  4. Connie

    Theocrats don’t share
    History teaches. Listen!
    Balance is the Way

  5. Joshua Rownd

    G,
    There are a lot of things the Catholic church will not tell you. To have a relationship with Christ, you do not need to go through no priest, nun, bishop, etc. You go just through Christ alone. The priest cannot forgive you of your sins, and works will not get you to heaven.

    You were deceived by a false religion!

  6. Joshua Rownd

    Delta One,
    Thousands of Catholics are not born again Christians, as I have heard the personal testimonies and have friends who have come out of the Catholic church who have said that they were not Christians while in the Catholic church.
    Secondly, I have no problem with Catholics who want to practice their faith, but they need to realize that theirs is an apostate church, built upon the doctrines of man and not of God. No where the bible says we are to worship idols and to honor so called “dead saints.”
    Thirdly, the pope is not the vicar of Christ nor is he to stand in the place of Christ. There is only one head of the Church which is Christ alone. No pope, priest, bishop can absolve anyone of sin, only Christ can forgive sin and remove sin. The pope is a sinner just like the rest and needs to accept Christ to forgive him and give his life over to Him. Also, the Pope cannot speak for Christ and his words are not scripture. Mary is not to worshiped, she was a just a normal woman whom God chose to carry the Son of, God and even she needed to accept her son as her Lord and Savior to gain eternal life.
    Fourth, the Catholic Church has been for many years an anti-Semitic church as they were even complicit in the murder of 6 million Jews during WWII as they were a pawn of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime. Even today they are still anti-Semitic as Pope Francis has recognized a Palestinian state and has allowed to have an embassy in the Vatican. Maybe the Pope should re-read this bible and realize that there is no such thing as a Palestinian people, and all the land belongs to the Jews.
    The Catholic church will be one of the first churches to be judged by Christ when He returns.

  7. G

    JR, you have plenty of other Christians denominations including Evangelists and Dominionists that don’t tell you a lot of things either. Furthermore, if the Catholic Church is a fake religion, then so are the other Christian churches since they sprang from the Catholic Church. You might as well say that Judaism is a fake religion since the Catholic Church came from it.

    I suppose you are going to say that the people who worship 3,500 other gods belong to those fake religions.

    Protestants also contribute to the murder of the Jews as well long before World War II and during World War II and display ant-Semitism after World War II.

    Jesus Christ had no choice when it came to wearing a crown of thorns.

    You think that Mary had a choice about whether she wanted to give birth to Christ? If she refused, would she be not interfering in God’s will and God’s divine plan?

  8. Connie

    Only one belief
    Dominionists claim! One size
    Never does Fit All

  9. Joshua Rownd

    Delta One,
    You asked what is my title, well here you go, Royal Priest, Super Conqueror, Sons of God, Child of God, Ambassador of Christ, etc, so if you want to disrespect these titles whom every believer in Christ is called by, then you will disrespect God and woe be unto sir if you do. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of a living God, Delta One. You have been forewarned!

  10. G

    “If you want to disrespect these titles whom every believer in Christ is called by, then you will disrespect God and woe be unto sir if you do. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of a living God, Delta One. You have been forewarned!”

    JR, do you have hard proof that disrespecting titles means that you are disrespecting God? You don’t seem to have respect for the titles of nun, priests, cardinals, bishops, and even Pope.

  11. Joshua Rownd

    Connie,
    Yes you are right, regarding eternal life, one size will never fit all according to Jesus. He Himself said that the only way to the Father and to eternal life is through Him alone. Good works or morals will not get anyone to heaven as well as no religion will get you to heaven, only by having a personal relationship with the Son of God.

    I have this posting on my FB and take it for what it is worth – “Truth sounds like hate, for those who hate the truth.”

  12. Connie

    Theocrats thinks truth
    Equal facts. No! Subjective
    Is truth. Facts are facts.

  13. Connie

    “What is supper to the spider is calamity to the fly.”

    Morticia Adams

  14. Joshua Rownd

    All of the bible is truth. Even Jesus said “I am the way, the Truth, and the life, no man comes to the Father but through me. There is no greater truth than scripture. It is by this truth that all mankind will be judged by it!

  15. G
  16. Joshua Rownd

    G,
    Says a man who does not know Christ as his savior.

  17. G

    No JR, I am a person who finally saw the light and start using his logic and reasoning after reading the article about the Bible being a nonsense. You are the one who does not know about the true teachings of being a Christian.

  18. Joshua Rownd

    G,
    No you are a weak minded sheeple who has been taken captive by Satan and believes his lies which will only lead you to become his child in hell one day for all eternity. Logic and reasoning can fail you at times, Jesus said I am the Truth!! In fact, the Apostle Paul warned Christians not to become captivated by empty philosophies of men but to know the truth which is only found in Jesus Christ.

  19. G

    No JR., you are the one who is a weak minded sheeple who allows his logic and reasoning be controlled by the church authorities; otherwise, why did the Church go after people like Galileo because he dared to use his mind to explore and question the universe thus undercutting the church’s control on people’s education.

    “the Apostle Paul warned Christians not to become captivated by empty philosophies of men but to know the truth which is only found in Jesus Christ.”

    Well, I would not believe everything that the Bible says. Jesus said in Mark 9, he would return before the people of generation would die. Trouble is that generation has been dead for 2,000 years and Christ still has not come back.

    It says in the Bible to kill anyone who works on the Sabbath. If that is the truth, then why are we not enforcing it by killing cops, firemen, EMTs, nurse, doctors, bus drivers, military people and even priests who are working on that day?

  20. Joshua Rownd

    G,
    The Church that went after Galileo was the Catholic church not any evangelical believers.

    My logic and reasoning is not controlled by any church authority. Evangelicals have not so called Pope that leads every evangelical church. My logic and reasoning is based upon the Word of God not what some so called authority says. In the evangelical church we are free to disagree with the pastor on what he may be teaching and to discuss certain passages with him. The Word of God has never led me astray from the truth of God.

    Regarding Mark 9 and other corresponding passages you need to look at how that verse fits into the context of the whole chapter, but here is what Jesus was talking about – ‘It seems most natural to interpret this promise in Matthew 16:28; Mark 9:1; and Luke 9:27 as a reference to the transfiguration, which “some” of the disciples would witness only six days later, exactly as Jesus predicted. In each Gospel, the very next passage after this promise from Jesus is the transfiguration, which shows Jesus in all His glory which will be seen again in the Kingdom of God. The contextual links make it very likely that this is the proper interpretation.”

    Regarding anyone who works on the Sabbath. That comes from the Old Testament Mosaic Law which is long gone and was fulfilled in Jesus. He came to fulfill all the law and the prophets. It was even Jesus who healed on the Sabbath which threw the Pharisees and Sadducees into a big hissy fit over Jesus. Jesus even had his disciples do things on the Sabbath. If what you are ascerting is true, then all of the nation of Israel should be wiped out for not observing the Sabbath. Orthodox and Messianic Jews observe Saturday as their Sabbath but they are in their synagogues or congregations worshiping God. Jesus also said in Mark 2:27 that “the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.”

  21. G

    Sorry JR, but you now have right-wing evangelists going after math and science these days so your argument doesn’t cut it.

    Your logic and reasoning based on Word of God has not led you to the truth of God since you have no tolerated for other people, other religions, people with no religion, etc.

    Regarding Mark 9, Jesus stated that he would return with the Kingdom of God, but he failed to deliver.

    Funny how you pick and choose Biblical Scriptures and then Connie calls you out on it and now you are asking us to look at the whole chapter. Sorry, you can’t have it both ways.

    “That comes from the Old Testament Mosaic Law which is long gone and was fulfilled in Jesus. He came to fulfill all the law and the prophets.”

    Sorry but Jesus did not fullfilled anything and you have Orthodox Jews wanting to return Israeli society to strictly follow what is in the Old Testament.

    “Jesus also said in Mark 2:27 that “the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.”

    Well, you need to tell the CEOs to give their people a rest each and every Sunday.

    “The contextual links make it very likely that this is the proper interpretation.”

    Sorry, but even Bibical scholars would have disagreemenst on the correct interpretation on any and all biblical scriptures.

  22. Connie

    JR writes “Regarding anyone who works on the Sabbath. That comes from the Old Testament Mosaic Law which is long gone and was fulfilled in Jesus.”

    JR is not the first Dominionist to use these exact words. Yeshua Warrior, Holy Rebel, Rev Bob, Deplorable Patriot, American Patriot – all have said and believe the same thing, that the laws written in the Old Testement (looking at you Leviticus) were no longer valid.

    And yet, if our conversation turns to living in ‘Sin’ or specifically homosexuality what book is trotted out as proof the gays need condemning?

    There is no talking with anyone this intellectually dishonest. There is no reason. It’s their way…. Actually it’s their way. Period.

    I left my abisive relationships a long time ago. JR jokes about genocide. He disrespects everyone here.

    Why do we have to tolerate that kind of hate?

  23. Connie

    G – the Nicene council was one of the first gatherings of biblical scholars and they’ve been squabbling about the book ever since (that’s over 1500 years for those keeping track at home).

    As the pastor at my mothers church says – these are the stories that define us.

    I take it another step – I find truth in the stories rather than believing the stories are true. Fiction has a lesson to teach if we keep our eyes open and our purpose for the good of all and may it harm none.

    I find people like JR have to be told what to think. They have to have their black and white world all tidy around them. It frightens them when those of the gray make smudges on their clean precise pages.

    • Long live the resistance!
    • The oppressors sought to bury us; they didn’t remember we are seeds.
    • In the war of black and white I am firmly grey.

  24. G

    Connie, I never could learn from fiction stories which is one reason why I never like to read them. I learn better from reading non-fiction stories; however, many people tend hide the truth even in those stories and then you run across a book that gives you another point of view that leads you to the truth.

    You have one person(s) that is looking at the Bible from a military point of view and have said that you can learn about military tactics from it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZ5nZfqia0

  25. Connie

    G – good point about non-fiction. Enlightened folk tend to find lessons in the places that fit them best. We are clever that way. 🙂

    This is more fiction but Aesop, the Grimm Brothers, and Hans Christian Anderson started me on my path. Oh – and the folks who wrote the Moomintroll, Mrs Piggle-Wiggle, and Pippi Longstocking series. They truly opened my mind.

    Our decisions define us. Each day we get to decide anew if we want to be good or evil.

    (I have some snarky thoughts about JR now. Now I’ve thought them, I bet you have them too)

  26. Joshua Rownd

    Connie,
    Leviticus is just one place where you find the condemnation of homosexuality. There are also several places in the New Testament that also condemn that behavior. While the Mosaic Law called for the killing of homosexuals, but no where do you find that same admonition and nowhere do you find that in Israel today. In fact, Tel Aviv, Israel has been called the most gay friendly city in the world. However, God will judge Israel like it will judge the United States and any other country that has embraced homosexuality.

    God is black and white Connie, there is no gray areas with God. For instance, either you obey Him or you don’t. Revelation talks about God speaking to one of the seven churches in the book, I would rather that you be either hot or cold, but because you are lukewarm, I will vomit you out of my mouth!

    All the stories in the bible are true, they are not fiction. More and more archaeological digs have proven that people and places in the bible did exist just like it says.

    Also, it is not just homosexuality that scripture condemns, but also adultery, idolatry, witchcraft, all sexual immorality, thieves, the greedy, etc. In a nutshell, the bible condemns every sin!!

  27. G

    “Also, it is not just homosexuality that scripture condemns, but also adultery, idolatry, witchcraft, all sexual immorality, thieves, the greedy, etc. In a nutshell, the bible condemns every sin!!”

    Yeah JR, and people are still committing sins even after Jesus die for them, so what was the point of the exercise in Jesus doing it anyway?

    “All the stories in the bible are true, they are not fiction.”

    Well, even though Jesus return from the dead, he did not return with the Kingdom of God with him. You need to go to the link I posted about looking at the Bible from a military point of view of how the Jews really cross the Red Sea and how the Wall of Jericho really came tumbling down and it was not from blowing horns. The same link will also show you how the Jews had their own program of extermination and I suppose they were using God’s name to justified it.

    …either you obey Him or you don’t.”

    Well then God should not have given us free will in the first place so he has no right to judge us if we don’t obey. You stated that God knows what you are saying and thinking. Well if God knows everything about us, then he should take responsibility for how we turn out since he did not do anything to stop us from carrying horrible things in life or not obeying him because he gave us free will.

  28. G

    “More and more archaeological digs have proven that people and places in the bible did exist just like it says.”

    Well, have they found any Roman documents regarding the existence of Jesus and any kind of death document of him being crucified? Are there any writings from Pontius Pilate where he writes about the existence of Christ and the pressure he faced in deciding whether Christ should live or die?

  29. G

    “All the stories in the bible are true, they are not fiction.”

    If the stories in the Bibles are true, then you need to apply facts and logic on whether they are true or not. I rather watch the History Channel about the Battles of the Bible from a guy like Professor Richard Gabriel who use logic and reasoning from a military point of view when looking at the Bible plus his military, political, social, and cultural knowledge of the various Middle East ancient civilizations to explain such things as how the Jews left Egypt, how they manage to deceive the Egyptian Army when they were trying to get away from them, how they manage to cross the Red Sea and how they brought the Walls of Jericho down and it was not because God will it.

  30. Joshua Rownd

    Well G, maybe this video will answer some of your questions.
    https://kehilanews.com/2017/02/17/video-why-does-god-allow-evil/

  31. G

    Saw the video, not impress. You should look at the Battles of the Bible videos about how the Jews manage to conquer Israel and it had nothing to do with God’s will: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPZ5nZfqia0

    Maybe God is not as powerful as he thinks he is when it comes to keep the Devil in hell or maybe he really doesn’t exists at all.

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