It is beyond time to return to the real official motto of the USA – e pluribus unum. With Christian Nationalists claiming ‘In God we Trust’ as a reason to shove their faith in our face We the People must correct the mistake made in the 1950’s.
Ya know, if the Christianists hadn’t weaponized their faith I wouldn’t be all fired up about the topic. Master Oogway is correct; one does find their destiny on the road they take to avoid it.
What destiny would that be Grey One?
Why, the fate Christianists fear the most – to have all mention of religion removed from the public square. (They are ok with ‘other’ faiths being suppressed because historically they’ve been doing the squashing but as the ONE TWUE FAITH they were supposed to be exempt!!!!)
If Christian Nationalists hadn’t started this fight there wouldn’t even be a fight.
Cathey
Posted February 21, 2020 at 7:03 AM
so true,the last thing troops need are pie in the sky and false promises and lip service from xtians ” thank you for your service”,gets to sound trite after while. Divisive religious rhetoric definitely not needed.
Joe Kuchinski
Posted February 22, 2020 at 2:50 PM
Separation of church and state was never included in this country. What was meant was no state church like the church of England. Many founding fathers held Bible study and Church services were held in the white house .
Many of these people were ordained ministers of the Gospel. So for a ungodly man has no place in this Christian nation. Yes he has a right to his opinion but the constitution declares no denial of relgion .
Grey One talks sass
Posted February 22, 2020 at 4:11 PM
Joe Kuchinski, what a Gish Gallop of alternative facts.
Separation of Church and State is settled law. If I remember correctly, Jefferson (not a Christian) wrote it was one the main reasons the USA was created. After all, the wall between the two was enshrined in the First Amendment. First as in primary as in most important.
I don’t expect you to believe me as you reek of indoctrination. Based on your words people who have no faith aren’t really citizens. So in your worldview, these citizens who pay taxes but aren’t your flavor of Christian are what exactly?
No, I’m not expecting an answer. History has already painted the gruesome picture of how the story plays out.
Go back to school Joe as the authority figures you believed lied to you.
Rick
Posted February 23, 2020 at 8:30 PM
Noah Webster
“The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Jesus Christ and his apostles and to this we owe our free constitutions of government.”
Grey One talks sass
Posted February 24, 2020 at 8:58 AM
Rick,
You can quote whomever you want, and yes I am aware of Mr Webster’s Curriculum Vitae. However those quotes mean nothing without context; something I’ve been told by many Christian Nationalists is extremely important.
Please list in detail any unique Christian values espoused in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. For extra credit please include a count of how many times your specific deity set are named in both documents.
This question has been asked of many Christians by many commentators and none have replied. I know why, do you?
By the way, the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document so inclusion will void your reply as not a sincere attempt to answer the question.
Tom O
Posted February 24, 2020 at 2:26 PM
“The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Jesus Christ and his apostles and to this we owe our free constitutions of government.” What Christian doctrines advocate a government of representatives elected by the people who make laws that have to conform to a constitution which protects the minority from repression by the majority?
MRFF: YOUR VERY NAME ” MILITARY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOUNDATION ” IS A LIE. IN AN AWKWARD ATTEMPT TO SEEM ” MODERN AND RELEVANT”, YOU RESTRICT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. YOU DONT BELIEVE IN GOD, BUT, YOU WILL STAND BEFORE HIM AND ANSWER FOR YOUR MISSTEPS….
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It is beyond time to return to the real official motto of the USA – e pluribus unum. With Christian Nationalists claiming ‘In God we Trust’ as a reason to shove their faith in our face We the People must correct the mistake made in the 1950’s.
Ya know, if the Christianists hadn’t weaponized their faith I wouldn’t be all fired up about the topic. Master Oogway is correct; one does find their destiny on the road they take to avoid it.
What destiny would that be Grey One?
Why, the fate Christianists fear the most – to have all mention of religion removed from the public square. (They are ok with ‘other’ faiths being suppressed because historically they’ve been doing the squashing but as the ONE TWUE FAITH they were supposed to be exempt!!!!)
If Christian Nationalists hadn’t started this fight there wouldn’t even be a fight.
so true,the last thing troops need are pie in the sky and false promises and lip service from xtians ” thank you for your service”,gets to sound trite after while. Divisive religious rhetoric definitely not needed.
Separation of church and state was never included in this country. What was meant was no state church like the church of England. Many founding fathers held Bible study and Church services were held in the white house .
Many of these people were ordained ministers of the Gospel. So for a ungodly man has no place in this Christian nation. Yes he has a right to his opinion but the constitution declares no denial of relgion .
Joe Kuchinski, what a Gish Gallop of alternative facts.
Separation of Church and State is settled law. If I remember correctly, Jefferson (not a Christian) wrote it was one the main reasons the USA was created. After all, the wall between the two was enshrined in the First Amendment. First as in primary as in most important.
I don’t expect you to believe me as you reek of indoctrination. Based on your words people who have no faith aren’t really citizens. So in your worldview, these citizens who pay taxes but aren’t your flavor of Christian are what exactly?
No, I’m not expecting an answer. History has already painted the gruesome picture of how the story plays out.
Go back to school Joe as the authority figures you believed lied to you.
Noah Webster
“The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Jesus Christ and his apostles and to this we owe our free constitutions of government.”
Rick,
You can quote whomever you want, and yes I am aware of Mr Webster’s Curriculum Vitae. However those quotes mean nothing without context; something I’ve been told by many Christian Nationalists is extremely important.
Please list in detail any unique Christian values espoused in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. For extra credit please include a count of how many times your specific deity set are named in both documents.
This question has been asked of many Christians by many commentators and none have replied. I know why, do you?
By the way, the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document so inclusion will void your reply as not a sincere attempt to answer the question.
“The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Jesus Christ and his apostles and to this we owe our free constitutions of government.” What Christian doctrines advocate a government of representatives elected by the people who make laws that have to conform to a constitution which protects the minority from repression by the majority?
MRFF: YOUR VERY NAME ” MILITARY RELIGIOUS FREEDOM FOUNDATION ” IS A LIE. IN AN AWKWARD ATTEMPT TO SEEM ” MODERN AND RELEVANT”, YOU RESTRICT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. YOU DONT BELIEVE IN GOD, BUT, YOU WILL STAND BEFORE HIM AND ANSWER FOR YOUR MISSTEPS….