MRFF Advisory Board Members Mike Farrell and James Currie and Board Member John Compere respond to emailer who tells Mikey Weinstein to “Seek a physician”

Published On: August 19, 2021|Categories: MRFF's Inbox, Top News|7 Comments|
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Mikey,

You have significant persecutory delusions.  Christ said “Those who are sick should seek a physician.”  In your case, you need professional help with freeing yourself from your irrational ideations founded on no evidence or facts (the very definition of a delusion) that Christians are coming for you and are going to take over the country and the world.  Such ideation may stem from deep-seated resentments you may have harbored from childhood.  Christianity is designed to save your soul (I know it is difficult to realize you have one but like all human beings you do) from eternal damnation, and psychotherapy is designed to help save yourself from your distorted and malignant cognition about believers.  Let me recommend a Christian psychotherapist so you can squarely confront your primordial fears of salvation.  You are in my prayers.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

On Aug 21, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Mike wrote:

Dr. (name withheld),

Since you apparently believe that Christ is God and your personal appreciation of Christianity is right and true not only for you but apparently for everyone, it appears to one who doesn’t share your belief system that your vision of the world and your comprehension of the views of others is somewhat distorted.

You assert that Mikey Weinstein, for example, has “significant persecutory delusions,” based, apparently on what you perceive as his “irrational ideations,” delusions that Christians are “coming for” him and are intent on taking over “the country and the world.” 

I, as a reasonably intelligent, rational and fairly thoughtful person who has known Mikey quite well for a number of years, can tell you that you are simply wrong. Mikey is not anti-Christian and does not believe the things you have charged him with. Actually, in spite of the fact that he is not himself a follower of Jesus, Mikey enjoys mutually respectful relationships with people of many different belief systems, a great number of them devout Christians, many of them clergy, and a great many of these individuals recognize the true value and necessity of Mikey and the work of the MRFF and support it.. 

Now, realizing that I fall outside the perimeter of those whose opinions you find trustworthy, I may be wasting my time in trying to cross the barrier you have clearly established for yourself, but I think the effort worthwhile because you may or may not know about Christian Dominionism, a Christian sect that has as its stated goal the conversion of our country through infiltration of its followers into our government in all its parts, the declaration of the United States as a “Christian country and its military as “Jesus’ Army.” And, of course, beyond that, the world.

Because such an endeavor violates one of the very premises upon which our country is based, the efforts of the Dominionists, much of it overt and a good deal of it covert, strike at the very heart of our fundamental freedoms and threaten the promise of America. It is these efforts that garner much of the attention of Mikey and the MRFF, attention that you have, because, I believe, in the distortion of your own capacities for discernment, made yourself so grievously misguided in your judgment and birthed your assault on Mikey and his work. 

Though I doubt my words will do much to change your incorrect assumptions, assertions, and dare I say inappropriate and faulty diagnoses, I do dearly hope you’ll consider the possibility that you have misstepped in this instance.

Let me only add, as one who knows something about and has great regard for Jesus and what he exemplifies, that I suspect he’d find the smug tone and implied superiority of your assaultive message to Mikey disappointing in the extreme.

Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)


Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere

On Aug 19, 2021, at 5:06 PM, John Compere <[email protected]> wrote:

Your acrimonious anti-American, anti-Semitic & anti-Christian attack against a fellow human being you do not even know reflects only on yourself & reveals only your sanctimonious self-righteousness. It is the height of human hypocrisy to demand belief freedom for yourself but have no respect for that right for others.

Freedom of belief is a fundamental American liberty guaranteed by the American Constitution. Mikey Weinstein & the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, a non-profit civil rights advocacy organization & 7 time Nobel Peace Prize nominee, protect that lawful right for our men & women in the US Armed Forces with pride & patriotism. We have represented almost 75,000 military members (95% of whom are Christians) & will continue to do so. Religious extremists such as yourself only encourage us to work even more diligently on this mission.

Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (composed of 85% Christians)


On Thursday, August 19, 2021, 07:08:37 PM CDT, (name withheld) wrote:

John,

I’d say Mikey is not the only one who could use a good Christian psychotherapist. He apparently employs those who exhibit similar profound paranoid proclivities worthy of examination on a psychotherapist’s couch. You could probably benefit as well from psychotherapy given your vitriol.   In fact I suspect that you and Mikey project many of your unconscious motives and anxieties about your own sin and need for salvation onto Christians as a psychological defense mechanism.  

What is particularly egregious about your so called freedom organization is its efforts to abridge the right of Christians to teach others the Gospel in the military especially when their own immortality is front and center.   You would deny aid and comfort to your brothers and sisters in uniform at such a critical time in their life.  It is the recipient’s free choice to hear (Rom 10:17) the teachings of Christ.  It is a private matter between Christian and the untaught.  It is not the military’s duty to proscribe that free exchange of saving ideas.

John, I’ll pray for you as well.  Realize, no one comes to the Father except through the Son (John 14:6).


Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere

On Aug 19, 2021, at 6:24 PM, John Compere <[email protected]> wrote:

“When any human group decides they can define God, the outcome is always predictable. The ‘true faith’ must then be forced upon all people…” – John Shelby Spong (Retired Episcopal Bishop, best selling author & internationally renown lecturer).


Subject: Re: Seek a physician
Date: August 20, 2021 at 7:12:57 AM MDT

To: John Compere

So you quote some marginal overly educated source that essentially said that some make God in their own image and force it on others.  Again your paranoia comes shining through as no one is being forced to believe anything.  Free will prevails in Christianity.  You’re so defensive when anyone calls into question your motives.  That’s the reason  I seriously suggest that you and Mikey seek Christian psychotherapy.  You might find it enlightening.

Nonetheless, I’ve come to the conclusion that you and Mikey are a couple of unhinged atheists (or secularists with values very akin to atheists) masquerading as religious freedom zealots (you never cite a Scripture—only emit secular taradiddle) out to cancel free speech, and specifically the Christian imperative:   “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.  Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved but whoever does not believe will be condemned” (Mark 16:16-27).  But like Paul, I’ll shake your dust off my feet and move on.  I’ll keep the two of you in my prayers however.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member James Currie

On Aug 20, 2021, at 9:47 AM, James Currie wrote:

(name withheld):

I don’t know whether you ever served in the military, but based on your own words, I doubt that you did. If you had done so, you would understand just what our military’s responsibilities are and just how powerful an influence the chain of command has on those within it.

The purpose of our military forces is to preserve peace by deterring any potential adversary from attacking American security, and if that fails, to fight and win any wars in which we become engaged. Churches have a different mission. They are private, non-governmental entities that adhere to a particular set of doctrines reflecting their own interpretation of the world in which we live. Every religion believes that it has discovered the truth with regard to human existence, and many–though not all–religions want to convert non-believers and persuade them to embrace their own interpretations.

As a historian (Ph.D., University of Virginia) who taught National Security Studies at the National Defense University for eighteen years, I can assure you that our military establishment is forbidden by the U.S. Constitution from engaging in the religious outreach and proselytizing you advocate. One strength of the U.S. military is that it reflects our society as a whole. The men and women who serve in it come from all religions and from those with no religion. What they have in common is that they have sworn to defend–with their lives if necessary–“the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Their oath does not say that they will support and defend the Christan religion or the Jewish religion or the Muslim religion or the Hindu religion or the Buddhist religion or any of the other 4300 religions that exist in our world today.

If anyone in their chain of command attempts to convert them to a particular religious point of view, they are inserting their own beliefs, to the detriment of the cohesion and strength of the unit they command. Can you imagine the confusion, discontent, and disorganization–not to mention the incredible decrease in military efficiency and skill–if we were to organize Christan military companies and Jewish military companies and Muslim military companies? No, I doubt that you would begin to understand the chaos and disorganization that would result therefrom.

The Founders of our country understood quite clearly the necessity for religious freedom in our republic, and they built such freedom into our government, both in the original Constitution and in the First Amendment to it. Those of you, minority as you are, who wish to change our Constitution so that its proscriptions against government involvement with religion are changed have a proper channel for doing so–amending the Constitution. So far as I know, in the 232 years since our government was first organized under the Constitution, there has never been a serious effort to make such a change in our governmental framework. I suggest to you that such a change would never make it through the amendment process, as the vast majority of Americans understand that religious freedom and governmental neutrality toward religion are part of the reason why our country has endured and remains strong today. You only have to look at today’s news headlines to see what happens when a particular religion takes over a country and decides to impose its views on everyone. I doubt that you like what you see in Afghanistan today. Neither do I, and it gives us a powerful lesson as to the benefits of religious diversity and freedom. Can you imagine what women in Afghanistan are thinking today with the Taliban in control? Do you think they might long for the religious freedom we enjoy?

I invite you to rethink your screed against Mikey and the MRFF. Mikey and the MRFF are standing up for the highest ideals of our American way of life, and you should embrace their work, not attack it.

Col. James Tyson Currie, USA (Ret.), Ph.D.
Professor of National Security Studies (Ret.), National Defense University
Board of Advisors, MRFF


Response from MRFF Supporter

On Aug 20, 2021, at 7:06 AM, (name withheld) wrote:

“What is particularly egregious about your so called freedom organization is its efforts to abridge the right of Christians to teach others the Gospel in the military. . . .”

Guess this moron hasn’t heard of the First Amendment . . . there’s no “right” of anyone, Christians or others, to “teach” any religion “in the military!”

MRFF Supporter


Response from MRFF Supporter Sandra

On Aug 20, 2021, at 5:23 PM, Sandra wrote

Dear (name withheld)

I assure you, Mikey is not deluded in his thinking. What he is aware of, painfully I may add, is the way in which those who terrorize subordinates not conforming to their personal religious beliefs are allowed to have mouthpieces that defend them so that someone like you can be confused as to what Mikey actually does. He defends *everyone* to the right to practice in the way that they feel comfortable, as the CONSTITUTION does. Most of the 65,000 people represented by Mikey and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation are Christian. The issue isn’t “religion” or “Christianity” or even “god”. It’s oppression and you are a good representation of that. People like you, pushing your opinions on others, such as suggesting Mikey should conform to your worldview and accept a psychotherapist in your faith for you to be okay with him, is the perfect example of why Mikey does what he does. He defends the Constitution. This is America, not a church. You may not like it, but you are going to have to get over it. He’s not going anywhere.

(name withheld)
USAF Vet & MRFF Represented & Supported


Response from MRFF Supporter

On Aug 21, 2021, at 10:51 PM, Steve wrote:


Dear (name withheld),
I am a retired Christian Navy Chaplain and nearly 40 year veteran of service in the Army and Navy as a Medical Service Corps Officer and Chaplain. Mikey Weinstein is a friend and colleague. Your “spiritual-psychological” diagnosis of Mikey says more about you than it does him. Mikey receives creditable death threats every week. Not only that, there is a Christian political-religious movement that indeed does desire to establish a theocracy in this country with its roots going back to the unholy alliance the GOP made with Jerry Falwell and the Moral Majority. Since then militant Fundamentalist Christians from across the theological spectrum have placed themselves in key elected and appointed positions at every level of the local, state and Federal governments.
I have no doubt from your pious, holier-than-thou sermon that you delivered to Mikey in this email that you are a true believer who has sacrificed any moral, spiritual or intellectual part of you to blindly following the Christo-Fascists (the most accurate term I can devise) for people intent on falsifying history, and promoting myths and conspiracy theories to attack their opponents and seize temporal power by overthrowing our Constitution and system of government. I know this because when I was in my late teams and early twenties I was in on the beginning of that religious-political movement. Thankfully, in college and seminary aided by my history and theology professors I came to realize the bankruptcy of that movement. I am a trained historian, political and military theorist, have taught senior officers in high level military universities, and I have honed my expertise about the toxicity of religious-political movements throughout history. In fact my Academic Dean at the Joint Forces Staff College remarked that I was “a historian masquerading as a Chaplain, not that there was anything wrong with that.”
Mikey Weinstein is a rare true defender of the religious liberties espoused in the Virginia Declaration on Religious Liberty written by Jefferson, the First Amendment written by Madison, and the Treaty of Algiers written by John Adams. In fact one of the earliest defenders of religious liberty was Virginia Baptist leader John Leland. Baptists and others were being violently attacked by Anglicans intent on reestablishing their church as the State religion of Virginia. He wrote often on the subject. Here are just a few of his remarks.  
“Government has no more to do with the religions opinions of men, than it has with the principles of mathematics. Let every man speak freely without fear, maintain the principles that he believes, worship according to his own faith, either one God, three Gods, no God, or twenty Gods; and let government protect him in so doing, i.e., see that he meets with no personal abuse, or loss of property, from his religious opinions.” 
“A national church takes in the whole nation, and no more; whereas, the Gospel Church, takes in no nation, but those who fear God, and work righteousness in every nation. The notion of a Christian commonwealth, should be exploded forever.”
“ The fondness of magistrates to foster Christianity, has done it more harm than all the persecutions ever did. Persecution, like a lion, tears the saints to death, but leaves Christianity pure: state establishment of religion, like a bear, hugs the saints, but corrupts Christianity, and reduces it to a level with state policy.”
Leland was not the only Baptist religious leader to fight for the rights and warn of the dangers of what the current Christo-Fascist movement is doing. George Truett, President of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary (my alma mater) and pastor of First Baptist Church Dallas stated these uncomfortable truths:

“That utterance of Jesus, “Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s,” is one of the most revolutionary and history-making utterances that ever fell from those lips divine. That utterance, once and for all, marked the divorcement of church and state. It marked a new era for the creeds and deeds of men.”

“Constantine, the Emperor, saw something in the religion of Christ’s people which awakened his interest, and now we see him uniting religion to the state and marching up the marble steps of the Emperor’s palace, with the church robed in purple. Thus and there was begun the most baneful misalliance that ever fettered and cursed a suffering world… When … Constantine crowned the union of church and state, the church was stamped with the spirit of the Caesars.”
“Our contention is not for mere toleration, but for absolute liberty. There is a wide difference between toleration and liberty. Toleration implies that somebody falsely claims the right to tolerate. Toleration is a concession, while liberty is a right. Toleration is a matter of expediency, while liberty is a matter of principle.”
These great Baptist leaders thoughts were echoed by Robert Ingersoll, a distinguished Union combat officer in the Civil War, proponent for civil rights and religious liberty, as well as one of our greatest skeptics and admitted Atheists of his time wrote:
“They knew that to put God in the constitution was to put man out. They knew that the recognition of a Deity would be seized upon by fanatics and zealots as a pretext for destroying the liberty of thought. They knew the terrible history of the church too well to place in her keeping or in the keeping of her God the sacred rights of man. They intended that all should have the right to worship or not to worship that our laws should make no distinction on account of creed. They intended to found and frame a government for man and for man alone. They wished to preserve the individuality of all to prevent the few from governing the many and the many from persecuting and destroying the few.”
Contrast that with statements the leaders of the current Christo-Fascist movement, men who I listened to or knew as friends. One was Gary North, who was one of the early leaders of what is called the Christian Reconstuctionist movement, and long time adviser to Ron and Rand Paul and a host of other current GOP leaders. He stated the goal of this movement, whether you want to believe it or not is on you. North wrote: 
. “The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church’s public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.”
Randall Terry, a leader of Operation Rescue who I knew well in my former denomination proclaimed:
“Let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good…. If a Christian voted for Clinton, he sinned against God. It’s that simple…. Our goal is a Christian Nation… we have a biblical duty, we are called by God to conquer this country. We don’t want equal time. We don’t want Pluralism. We want theocracy. Theocracy means God rules. I’ve got a hot flash. God rules.”  [Randall Terry, Head of Operation Rescue, from The News Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, Aug 15, 1993]
The late Republican icon Barry Goldwater warned us of this Christo-Fascist movement in 1993:
“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
Now they own the GOP and they support violence and sedition to overthrow the government, to disenfranchise political opponents and to ensure that they have special treatment for their religious liberty regardless of how it destroys the religious liberties of others.
Mikey Weinstein defends our American values of religious pluralism in the best traditions of our founders and those who have either as public servants or ministers have defended them since.
Your self-promoting email to Mikey was a softer and gentler “repent or go to hell” message that Mikey often receives, this time couched in Christian psychobabble. It took me a while to write this because it took me a while to figure out who you might be. Your email doesn’t show up on any email search but there is a Dr. Howard P Blevins, PhD., a psychotherapist in Pineville, Louisiana. I wouldn’t be surprised if you are that man, the psychobabble kind of gives it away, especially when you tell Mikey to see a a Christian psychotherapist to resolve his “issues.” 
In the Film “To Kill a Mockingbird,” Atticus Finch said:
“Sometimes the Bible in the hand of one man is worse than a whisky bottle in the hand of another… There are just some kind of men who – who’re so busy worrying about the next world they’ve never learned to live in this one, and you can look down the street and see the results.”
I have seen the results of religious based war in the Balkans and the Middle East. I have studied it and will have a book published next year about how religious ideology and politics has poisoned American politics and race relations.
So please, cease and desist your hypocritical attack on Mr. Weinstein. As someone who has known creditable death threats, though far fewer than Mikey, I would say that you are either ignorant or deluded, and possibly dangerous. As the great American philosopher Eric Hoffer wrote:
“A doctrine insulates the devout not only against the realities around them but also against their own selves. The fanatical believer is not conscious of his envy, malice, pettiness and dishonesty. There is a wall of words between his consciousness and his real self.”
That sir is you, and I leave you with that. Think about it, pray on it.
With the utmost of disrespect, I am yours,
Sincerely,
(name withheld)


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7 Comments

  1. G August 21, 2021 at 7:36 am

    These Christians are like many American police officers. If you argue with American cops on the Internet, they resort to name-calling, tell you to seek help and/or take your medications. Many of these cops acted like Sherlock Holmes in believing they know what kind of a person you are and think that they know about the mental health state of a person who they are dealing with.

  2. Kurt Van Tassel August 21, 2021 at 4:19 pm

    I was always under the assumption one had to be intelligent to be a doctor.

  3. Paula August 21, 2021 at 10:13 pm

    Dearest (Name withheld),
    I believe you are conveniently missing a very important truth. When you speak with such vitriol, unbridled hatred, arrogant judgement, unsupported accusations, and false authority, you are telling us a great deal about yourself and your (lack of) character, but you are not saying a word about Mikey or John or anyone else you deem it necessary to upbraid for their (to you) misbehavior. This is not rocket surgery. You are describing the creature in the mirror and no one else. That certainly is your right, as long as you do not couch your criticism in your dislike and fear of another. That is schoolyard bully behavior and laughable for its immaturity. Are you eight years old?

  4. Jeff August 26, 2021 at 3:44 pm

    “Name Withheld” claims to be qualified to lecture Mikey and others on “irrational ideations.” Yet this bully irrationally decides that Mikey needs a solid dose of Christianity, as do others at MRFF. One irrational ideation is the assumption that others need or would benefit from your own religious beliefs. Another irrational ideation is the ignorant belief that people who serve in the military have a right and obligation to proselytize to others and thereby demonstrate their lack of respect for the religious views of others – including atheists. Our military personnel have neither the right nor the obligation to push their religion on others.

    Finally, smearing people with insults (“unhinged”) and branding people with beliefs that differ from his own (“atheist,” “secularist,” etc.) as evil demonstrates the emptiness and irrationality of Name Withheld’s irrational ideation and ignorance on issues addressed by the MRFF and Mike Weinstein bravely and very capably. It is often those who speak the loudest of most forcefully that have the least of substance to say.

  5. Jeffrey Quillinan August 27, 2021 at 12:49 am

    Who needs to seek a physician? Christianity is not the answer, nor is it reality. It is fantasy posing as reality, a delusion of massive proportions. It is insanity. It isn’t real. In the current debate on the so-called historicity of Jesus, there is good reason to suspect the a-historicity of Jesus. The Gospels are fictions, not literal history, where the ancient Pagan Sun Gods in that region of the world would provide the template for a physical incarnation in history of the Sun of Righteousness, or the alleged historical Jesus Christ. Even if perchance Jesus did exist in history, the Gospels would not be accurate in portraying his words and deeds, as the Gospels were not written contemporaneously to the time of the alleged Jesus, but decades after the fact, with the Gospel of John being the last to be written and the least accurate of all in terms of representing history. Even the Apostle Paul had no knowledge of the Gospels, as they hadn’t been written yet for another few decades. Propaganda for the faith. Lies, distortions and pious fraud to fool the gullible masses. http://www.truthbeknown.com

  6. Ironmoped August 27, 2021 at 5:15 pm

    Irrational ideations founded on delusions? Such irony! Doesn’t that define Christianity?
    Faith, defined, is belief in something without evidence.
    Poor Christians!

  7. Savanthar August 28, 2021 at 11:45 am

    The whole concept of a salvation cult religion of that time period and region of the world would have been based on the dying and rising sun god beliefs of their day, which in turn is based on astrotheology or religious beliefs derived from the heavenly bodies. A pagan notion to be sure, as there is no son of God in Monotheistic Judaism, because there is only one God according to their belief system. Just the notion that the sun sets or “dies” every day into darkness and “returns” upon rising is a clue to how the whole notion of salvation from a Sun God cropped up, as the ancients knew how important the sun’s light and warmth was to life. To this day Easter is still on the first Sunday that comes after the first full moon that happens after the Spring Equinox. An astrotheological date. Sol Invictus translates to mean the Invincible Sun, or Unconquerable Sun and the Sun of Righteousness was a phrase used in the Bible to refer to Jesus Christ. The connection is clear, as the sun gods of myth would give rise to the belief that Jesus, whose very name translates to mean salvation, incarnated on Earth as the personification of the Sun God in the flesh, or the Light of the World. Even the art that depicts a halo over Christ’s head could be interpreted as the circle of light, or corona that brightly surrounds the sun. The mistake that Christians make is making this all literal and not the symbolism that derives from metaphor. The Son walked on water? So did the sun, as when one sees its reflection across the waves that would appear to be light walking on water. It’s all interconnected in a symbolic and metaphorical way.

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