Within the Hour of MRFF’s Demand on Behalf of Jewish Veteran Clients, East Orange NJ VA Medical Center Confirmed Menorah Display Will Be Correctly Illuminated!
MRFF Applauds the staff at East Orange NJ VA Hospital for Swiftly Correcting the Mistake!
East Orange New Jersey VA Medical Center wanted a Menorah display fully lit before Hannukah began. MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein swiftly contacted the VA medical center on behalf of Jewish Veteran clients who wanted the display to be correctly lit each night in accordance with the express timing mandates of the Jewish Hanukkah celebration. MRFF received confirmation within the hour from the VA medical center’s Senior Staff On Duty that one candle will be correctly lit each night starting tomorrow evening, the first night of Hanukkah.
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What the fuck? I thought just two articles ago we weren’t allowed to have any religious decorations in any lobbies? Now all of a sudden its cool to have it? wow, next level hypocrisy.
Oscar, clearly you’ve never read for comprehension the First Amendment of the Constitution. Religious representation is allowed if all faiths and no faith are included. We are the United States of America. United. If one gets to do a thing We All get to do the thing. You might even say it’s Constitutional.
Wow, next level ignorance. Are you sure you’re American? You sound Russian. Yep. Or a bot. Well, bot has to be programed so, there is that.
Happy Holidays MRFF staff and our gentle readers. Even Oscar. Even if they are a bot. Data was my fave character – why? He had a cat. Holidays are for everyone. No exceptions.
from Mikey W’s first email; ” the Hanukkah menorah in your main VA Hospital lobby, situated next to your Christmas tree”
Oscar: MRFF objected to the nativity scene in the VA lobby because it was the ONLY seasonal decoration.
Christmas originated as a religious holiday, but because it has also become a major secular holiday, there are many non-religious Christmas symbols, like Santa Claus and Christmas trees.
If you know of any non-religious symbol of Hanukkah, tell us what it is.
I could argue that there are legitimate disputes about how Hanukkah candles should be lit. I seem to recall some Jewish traditions that say it’s OK to start with all of them lit, leaving off one each night of the celebration. That’s not the real issue here.
The real issue is that if you’re going to allow one religion’s celebrations in the public space, all must be allowed. And on that note, Tom O, technically, Hanukkah isn’t a religious celebration: it actually celebrates victory in a war of liberation. But I’m not going to get bent out of shape here: in many respects, Jews often want to celebrate Hanukkah because their young kids don’t understand why all the Christian kids (and a lot who aren’t) get prezzies at this time of year, but they don’t.
“Jews often want to celebrate Hanukkah because their young kids don’t understand why all the Christian kids (and a lot who aren’t) get prezzies at this time of year, but they don’t.” That’s why Hanukkah is a much bigger Jewish holiday in Christian countries than in Israel.
Happy Holidays All!
Hope y’all have a very healthy, safe, and joyous holiday period with many returns.
All the best!
Synergy, you wrote, “Hope y’all have a very healthy, safe, and joyous holiday period with many returns.”
I’m guessing you meant people should enjoy “many HAPPY returns”. Otherwise, I hope people got receipts with those gifts they want to return!
As a non sequitur, “Many Happy Returns” is one of the best episodes of “The Prisoner” ever filmed!
Other VAs have Christmas trees in the lobby but people freak out if a menorah is brought in. Can you get a statement from national VA on the appropriateness of having a menorah when there are Christmas trees also present?
National VA statement: “Don’t fuckin worry about it”.
Other VA’s with Christmas Trees and only Christmas Trees are violating the law. But those who defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights already know that. It is shameful how many citizens have been deluded into believing the USA was founded as a Christian nation.
I live for the day when a VA voluntarily includes all faiths and those of no faith in their displays. And if that’s too big an ask they honor the Constitution by displaying nothing.
This isn’t rocket science. It’s admitting your neighbor has the same rights as yourself and an awareness that your rights end where your neighbors begin.
How is this so hard? I don’t get it.
“Other VA’s with Christmas Trees and only Christmas Trees are violating the law. ” How? A Christmas Tree is a symbol of the secular holiday of Christmas, not the religious holiday of Christmas.
Tom O- thank you for that note. Of course you are correct – as long as said tree’s decorations are also non religious. It’s doable.
And this morning I was searching for a decoration appropriate for the season but couldn’t see the tree for the forest.
The United States was most certainly founded on religious beliefs (Christianity mostly). You can chose to accept that or delude yourself, I dont personally care.
The country was not founded AS a christian nation, and thats obvious…. but it absolutely was founded in many many many many principles from the bible and Christianity. Sorry Charlies. Thems the facts
“The United States was most certainly founded on religious beliefs (Christianity mostly).” Which beliefs than are unique to Christianity?
The Treaty of Tripoli, which was negotiated by emissaries appointed by Pres. George Washington, was signed by Pres. John Adams, and ratified UNANIMOUSLY without debate by the US senate in June 1797, says “the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”
Oscar, Tom I asked a reasonable question. And as you’ve stated ‘Sorry Charlies..Thems the facts.’ so what are the facts? What specific principles? If these are facts you should be able list them off. Easy peasy so why do you hesitate?
Grey One talks sass, I think you’re on to something! Last I checked, the Constitution was written as a wholly secular document based entirely on Enlightenment principles. There are no mentions of religion that I’ve seen — except for those provisions protecting from religion encroaching upon government and vice versa.
So what’d I miss? Where are the Christian principles and beliefs Oscar says are built into our foundational document?
I may have found one . . . the one that counts slaves as 3/5 of a person for apportioning Representatives in the House. The Bible does condone slavery, and the Constitution allows for slavery — even though it was later amended to eliminate chattel slavery.
D’ya think I got it right? ‘Cuz that’s the only thing I can think of in the way of Biblical principles being written into the Constitution.
J.P. – As noted elsewhere on this site many of the principles enshrined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights were lifted from the governing practices from several First Nation communities. Also consulted were the Greeks and their pure understand of what Democracy was and could be.
As for Christianity – you nailed it. Slavery is the Christian Holy books one contribution that is specifically Christian. I’m not sure that’s the take folks like our trolls were looking for but it is what it is.
And as of yet, Oscar hasn’t provided one fact they claim are so prevalent that “everyone should be able to see it”
I guess what Oscar’s religious teachers told them and what they found on their Google search were mutually exclusive.
side note: somewhere on the site I could have sworn I saw Oscar claim they are Jewish. If so why on this green and blue planet are they carrying water for the Christian nationalists? Do they know the NatC’s only want their help and friendship because it’s necessary for the Apocalypse in their holy book to manifest? That’s not friendship Oscar, that’s an abusive relationship and you may need therapy, just saying.
Religious “teaching” is to education as propaganda is to truth.
To “teach” a child that, minus fealty to the Heavenly Creator, they will burn in Hell forever, is abject child abuse; useful as it may be to the ruling class, the proletariat juxtaposed against power, arguably, the raison d’etre. The unspoken maxim, “know thy place!”