Who?

are you to tell the rest of us how to live? What a whiny-ass, bed wetting POS you must be to insist the entire country and AF live by YOUR personal standards.

NO WHERE in the constitution does it demand separation of church and state, and someday we’ll have a leader with backbone enough to stand up to haters like you.

May God have mercy on your satan filled soul.

(name and e mail address withheld)

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Hi (name withheld),

I see you are quite worked up. I assume it’s about the MRFF disclosure of the Christianized
missile instruction course for AF nuclear missile launch sites.

It’s good to have a firm position on stuff like this but one must be in possession of full knowledge about its intent and legality to make a fair judgement.

MRFF has no interest in telling anyone how to live. Our Constitution and civil law covers the legal aspect of conduct very well and the many religious and non-religious beliefs cover the moral structure to which we choose to adhere. It is our hope to provide freedom of religion to all Armed Forces members. Occasionally this requires us to expose questionable and even unconstitutional behavior in the military.

But (name withheld), one cannot choose to ignore important facets of conduct by military personnel especially in the chain of command. A new and virulent form of Christianity known as Christian Dominionism has infested many of our service academies, military training facilities and even combat zones.

The US Supreme Court has ruled in {Lemon Vs. Kurzman, 1971} that the US Government, including the military, may not in the course of their duties favor, recommend, elevate, prefer or proselytize one religion over another or religion over non-religion. The exclusive Christian scripture and doctrine employed in this training course was plainly in violation of constitutional provision. Our objective in this matter was not to disrupt the practice of Christianity in the military but rather to prevent the unconstitutional practice of Christianity which I am sure no Christian would support.

America is a pluralistic, secular nation in which all religions and non-beliefs may flourish but none dominate.

Assuming you are Christian, imagine if your daughter was in the AF Missile training program and Muslim Jihadist scripture was used in training. As you know their martyr program is second to none. How would you feel?

You must remember that often a caution or even an objection to religious practice can save lives and prevent miscarriages of justice.

To learn more about MRFF and our efforts to provide religious freedom for all armed forces members go to militaryreligiousfreedom.org.
Sincerely,
Rick Baker
Regional Coordinator
MRFF

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Dear Madam,

I just saw your E (above), and wanted to add a few words to the statement of my colleague, Rick Baker, who answered your E earlier.

My name is Jim Taylor, a volunteer for the MRFF. Like most MRFF staff and supporters, (including Mikey and Rick), I am a veteran — in my case, of the USMC, with close personal ground combat experience. I come from a family with a long history of US military service dating back to the Revolutionary War.

Mr. Weinstein (an observant Jew with a blended faith family which includes Christians) was a 1977 Honor Graduate of the US Air Force Academy. His family also have distinguished US military service records spanning three generations of military academy graduates and over 130 years of combined active duty military service, from World War I to the current GWOT. (For Mr. Weinstein’s full biography, please see here: https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/michael-l-mikey-weinstein )

The MRFF includes active, reserve, and retired members from all branches of the US Armed Forces, holding ranks ranging from private to flag officer, and military specialties ranging from support to combat arms, whose service spans over 60 years and includes WW II, Korea, and Viet Nam, on through Gulf I to the present GWOT, and the smaller actions between.

Members’ medals and decorations include the Purple Heart for wounds received in action, and awards for valor from the Bronze Star w/ V and the Silver Star, through the Army, Navy, and AF Crosses, and the Medal of Honor.

Faiths represented include Christians from Protestant faiths (including evangelicals) and Catholics (including Roman and Eastern Orthodox). There are also some Jews, Muslims, and other world faiths, and a smaller number of other faith systems including Wiccans, as well as some free-thinkers of various philosophies.

BTW, my colleague Rick flew numerous rescue missions in Vietnam at the risk of his life to assist Americans who were in deep trouble. He was wounded in action.

That’s the kind of “whiny-ass, bed-wetting POSs” who constitute the MRFF – the same ones who risked their lives in the line of duty for this country in every war from WW II forward — so that people like you could continue to voice uninformed opinions about things you have minus zero knowledge of. (You’re welcome.)

As to the Constitution, you are right it does not state clearly that there is a separation of church and state – and a pity it doesn’t. What it DOES state clearly is that there is to be no establishment of any religion, and as Rick mentioned, there are many decisions that uphold and define that intent.

As to “leaders with a back-bone” — maybe some day we’ll have one who will stand up to the would-be theocrats of the Dominionist movement, and their brain-addled fellow-travelers. Until then, Mikey, Rick, and the rest of us will continue to “uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” as we swore to do when we enlisted or were commissioned.

I attach a few other facts about the MRFF (below) for your enlightenment.

As to our presumed “satan filled souls” – I guess in addition to prejudging people who you don’t even know, and in the process showing us all how charitable, loving and kind good Christians like you are, you apparently missed or forgot the verses from Matthew 7: 1-5

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

Our many Christian lay and clerical members and supporters of many denominations (and who include evangelicals — other than Dominionists) might want to have a word with you on that score.

Sincerely,

F. J. Taylor
USMC (Ret.)

http://sites.google.com/site/usmccaposcar

To support the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, or to learn more about their efforts on behalf of United States military personnel, go to:

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/helpbuildthewall

MRFF Mission

The MRFF supports the Constitutionally and legally mandated requirement that there will be no established religion (i.e. no official state religion), and no religious test for office, as clearly intended by the Founders both in their words and documents.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof . . .” (1st Amendment)

“. . . no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” (Article VI, Section III)

The MRFF is committed to ensuring that this boundary between church and state is maintained, and that the Constitutional rights to freedom of conscience for all Americans (particularly our servicemen and women) are not violated, and that they are not subjected to unwanted proselytization by any religious group whatsoever.

MRFF’s Position on Faith

Neither Mr. Weinstein nor the MRFF are “for” or “against” Christianity, Islam, Judaism, or any other religion. On the contrary, as the name implies, the MRFF supports religious freedom and pluralism for service personnel of all faiths (or those with none), in accordance with the US Constitution and public law. Its founder, members, and supporters include people of many different faiths and belief systems, as well as free-thinkers and skeptics.

Mr. Weinstein is an observant Jew, and his own family circle of blended faiths includes observant Christians.

The MRFF staff is composed of approximately 75% Christians of varying sects, mainly Protestant, including some evangelicals followed by Catholics ( Roman and Eastern Orthodox), 15% Jews, and 10% all others, including free-thinkers.

Religious faith (or lack thereof) is completely irrelevant in terms of MRFF membership and positions on issues Like the US itself, we are not based on any religion or belief system, though (again like the US), people of many different faiths and beliefs belong to the MRFF. We, however, are strictly secular, and as noted above, defend US service personnel against violations of their Constitutional rights to freedom of conscience. Thus all religions and belief systems are equal – as long as they are not in violation of the Constitution, and as long as they are not violating the rights of other citizens – particularly service personnel.

Who We Represent, and Why

Currently, 96% of all the over 20,000 MRFF cases are brought on behalf of professing Christians, (mainly Protestants), followed by Catholics (including Roman and Eastern Orthodox).

The 4% balance of our cases includes Jews, Muslims, Hindus, and Sikhs, as well as Pagans, a few atheists, agnostics, and other free-thinkers, and at least one self-described “Jedi Knight” (a religion formed around the Jedi Knights of the Star Wars movies).

The great preponderance of the cases involve abuses of authority and violations of the Constitutional guarantees of freedom of conscience by a specific sub-set of aggressive radicals who style themselves “Christians” and who are becoming increasingly entrenched and powerful in the military in all braches and MOSs at ranks up to and including flag officer ranks. They are known by a number of names, but we use the generic term of one of the main branches (“Dominionists”), for convenience.

In violation of the Constitution, public law, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice, they aggressively seek converts – but failing persuasion, they harass, bully, and attempt to intimidate under color of authority service members under their command or control, in order to attempt to proselytize even service members who have expressed their unwillingness.

When in command positions, they use tactics ranging from denying choice assignments and promotions to those they don’t consider Christian or “Christian enough” to giving poor performance reviews, and difficult, dirty, and dangerous tasks – including potentially deadly tasks in combat. (One of our clients was assigned as “permanent point” in a combat unit!)

They have advocated in both words and writing the overthrow of the Republic and Constitution (by ballot if possible, but by bullet if necessary), and replacing them with an Old Testament style theocracy, complete with “Biblical” Sharia-like laws, complete with public executions by stoning, sword, or other “Biblical” methods, with mandatory attendance and participation by the whole community – including children.

Anyone not considered not “Christian enough” by these people if they gain power will be forced to either convert to or accept their warped version of Christianity – or die. They have been correctly described as “American Taliban.”

Some people might consider this some sort of tin-hat conspiracy theory, or that they are just far-right fringe loonies without a hope of acheiving power, but these people have been operating “under the radar” for years, and are now firmly entrenched in every branch and MOS of our armed forces and government, at every level – and are getting bolder by the day.

Let’s examine the words of the individuals who founded the movement, such as the late Rousas John Rushdoony who wrote that they intend to “…lead them (non-believers) to Jesus – in chains, if necessary.”

Rushdoony also wrote that democracy is “heresy” and that Christians must remember that “a monarchy (referring to “God’s kingdom on earth”) is not a democracy.” (No doubt with Rushdoony and friends as the privileged leaders of the “monarchy” while awaiting God’s arrival…)

Rushdoony also wrote that “Democracy is the great love of the failures and cowards of life.” (I’m sure both the ancient Athenians and early Romans, as well as our own Founders, would have been interested to learn that.)

Rushdoony listed eighteen capital “crimes” including blasphemy, witchcraft, astrology, adultery, incorrigible delinquency, homosexuality, promiscuity or unchastity before marriage, wearing a red dress (for women – though one must suppose these people would apply it to men too), and failure to keep a Kosher kitchen.

Punishment for non-capital crimes would include whipping and indentured servitude or slavery (including for debt), and prisons would become temporary holding tanks while prisoners awaited sentencing. Women and children would again become chattel property of men.

Rushdoony and other Dominionists have been aptly described elsewhere as “the American Taliban” as noted above. This is true in more ways than just their morbid interest in cruel and unusual punishment. They are extremely retrogressive socially and politically, and share many more beliefs in common with the Islamic fundamentalists than they do with the average American.

Perhaps one reason they hate the Islamist fascists is that they have so much in common with them — battles between kindred are always the worst. One can only hope that they never recognize their true kinship, lest they join forces in a truly unholy alliance.

Rushdoony’s Chalcedon Foundation also helped establish The Rutherford Institute, a legal organization to promote their agenda through the very courts they plan to supersede once in power, so although Rushdoony died, his organization and legacy of theocracy lives on.

Gary North, Rushdoony’s son-in-law, espouses (publicly) a slightly less draconian version, stating, “I don’t want to kill homosexuals–I would be happy just driving them back into the closet.” However, he also espouses stoning for blasphemers and those who curse their parents, and has stated that public stoning of “malefactors” would be “a great way to bring communities together.”

A stunning example of their theology (and ultimate plans for everyone not of their belief) is the statement of US Army chaplain MAJ James Linzey, who, in a 1999 video, described mainstream Protestant churches as “demonic, dastardly creatures from the pit of hell ” that should be “stomped out.”

The Council of Full Gospel Churches (Linzey’s accrediting agency founded by retired Army COL Ammerman) not only didn’t pull his accreditation, but supported this egregious violation of his mission and orders as a military chaplain, and of his oath as an officer.(Of course, Ammerman is as bad or worse.)

The CFGC, COL Ammerman, MAJ Linzey, and their cohorts have also denigrated Judaism and Catholicism, as well as mainstream Protestant churches.

COL Ammerman and MAJ Linzey have also spread conspiracy theories about “Satanic forces” in the U.S. government for years aiding a military takeover aided by unnamed “foreign” (presumably UN) troops.

In 2008, COL Ammerman said that four presidential candidates (US Senators Obama, Clinton, Biden and Dodd) should be hanged for treason – for not voting to designate English as America’s official language. He also stated that President Obama would be assassinated as a “secret Muslim.” (In the late 1990s, he had also called for the execution of then-president Clinton for treason.)

CFGC and its chaplains have repeatedly and egregiously violated the Constitution and the laws and regulations regarding chaplaincies, including those on interfaith cooperation, bans on membership in organizations with religious or racial supremacist principles, especially those espousing violence, and that active military personnel cannot make disloyal or contemptuous statements about officials.

This problem, as stated, is very wide-spread and deeply entrenched, not only in the military but in many areas of government and indeed, other nations.

These people are very clever, subtle, well-organized, and well-funded. They are gaining ground in many areas – including the military and the Service Academies.

These people are our main opponents, and regular violators of the very Constitution which guarantees them freedom of religion and pluralism, which they call upon to defend themselves as they attack and undermine the very principles which allow them to exist and operate.

While we accept their right to believe as they please, within the framework of the Constitution and public law, we balk at allowing them to proselytize unwilling service personnel under their command “under color of authority” and to undermine and work to destroy the Constitution that many of our members (most of whom are former or serving members of the US Armed Forces), swore to “uphold and defend.”

The Dominionists and their allied sects are committing egregious assaults on the Constitution and on the rights of servicemen and women daily. We expose to the clear light of day their violations, as well as those of any other individuals or groups who attempt the same. Unfortunately, this group constitutes the bulk of the complaints we receive.

Here are a few online sources of information on Dominionism:

http://www.mainstreambaptists.org/mob4/dominionism.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christofascism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rousas_John_Rushdoony
http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Dominionism
http://www.publiceye.org/christian_right/cr_intro.html#dominion
http://www.theocracywatch.org/dominionism.htm
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/dominionism.html
http://www.rwor.org/a/033/dominionism-be-very-afraid.htm
Pat Robertson also wants to establish a theocracy. Read his “The Secret Kingdom.”

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I am on the Advisory Board of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation and an ordained minister in the Assemblies of God.

As a born-again, spirit filled woman of God, I do not appreciate a sister in the Lord calling me a “whiny-ass, bed wetting POS” or that I have a “satan filled soul!”

I am amazed at the hate filled emails we get from Christians who feel it’s ok to spout their venom in a very un-Christian way and then finish it with “I’ll pray for you” or “May God have mercy on you.”

The Constitution does not exactly spell out a separation of church and state, but 10 years after the Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787, The Treaty of Tripoli was UNANIMOUSLY ratified in the Senate on June 7, 1797, signed by President John Adams and became law on June 10, 1797. This is only 10 years after the Constitution and if there was any error in the wording of the Treaty there would have been an uproar. There wasn’t. Here is the wording-

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

Remember, Jesus is the judge who says who is and who isn’t going to heaven. Not you, not me and not anyone else!

I suggest you ask forgiveness of and repent of your vulgar language and judgmental attitude lest you be judged with the same severity you mistakenly judged us.

Pastor Joan

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Joan, Actually, if you had read my letter correctly, you would have not assumed I was calling you anything.

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I did read your letter correctly. Your email was sent to info@ and that means all of us who work for the MRFF.

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I do not need you judgements or suggestions.

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Likewise, we do not need yours.

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If you were truly a woman of God,

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IF???? You are questioning my ordination in the Assemblies of God?

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you would not be fighting the spreading of His word,

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I am not fighting the spreading of His Word. There is a time and place for it and it is not in the military classroom against military law.

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nor judging another Christian.

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As a Pastor it is my duty to point out un-Christian behavior.

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You people really must not have much to do if 5 of you have taken the time to reply

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Oh, we have much to do!

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to my short email with lengthy rebuttals

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Your email may have been short but it showed your lack of knowledge of American history and military law. It is our job to inform people why we fight, under the law, for religious freedom for all.

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of your self-righteous actions.

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If you want to call defending the Constitution and military law as self-righteous, then go right ahead. There are a whole lot of Christians out there, including politicians, who are fighting to defend the Constitution so they must be self-righteous, too.

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Good grief…..get a life of you own

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I do have a life and part of it is showing people that we as Christians cannot trample the rights of other religions under the Constitution and military law.

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and leave the rest of us alone.

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You contacted us. We have the right to rebut your email with facts based on the Constitution and military law.

Pastor Joan

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Dear (name withheld)

You initiate a communication with MRFF in which you excoriate our organization and its staff and now you tell us to go away? We do have better things to do than waste our time answering hate mail but, unlike you, we think everybody deserves the courtesy of an answer.

We regret that you wrote to us too. You could have written for our side of the story but like most unilateral thinkers you let your assumptions become fact.

May I advise you to start turning the other cheek and loving your enemies? Perhaps even stop judging people before the fact and bearing false witness?

Cheers

Rick

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Go away. Honestly, I write a few lines, and get back FIVE full page rebuttals? Do you people have nothing better to do?
I can assure you, I have no desire to learn more about your group, I regret ever writing to you.

(name withheld)

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Seriously?
It takes 5 of you to stand; up for Rick? Do none of you have anything better to do than write lengthy rebuttals to a stranger?
I appreciate your service to the US, and your pal, Mikey’s.
But that does give either of you the right to do what you are doing.
Do not ever write to me again. Delete my email address and go on about your radical business.

(name withheld)

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Madam,

All of us wrote independently when we saw your E, and we all indeed have much else we could be doing in our busy lives — but we choose to do what we do because there is a clear and present danger and a growing threat to the Republic and Constitution we swore to uphold and defend from the Dominionists we oppose. (And if you think we are “radical” you should check those links and educate yourself about the reality of the Dominionist movement.)

We try to inform and educate everyone who writes, no matter how poisonous. (Though frankly, your remarks are quite tepid by comparison with many from your fellow “Christians.”)

While it is true that our service doesn’t give us any more rights than other Americans, we do have the right to do what we are doing (and indeed the duty, given our oaths). These are rights we are all granted under the Constitution that we fought to uphold and defend. You also have these rights (though I doubt that you have ever put yourself in the line of fire, instead depending on “satan-filled radicals” like us to do it for you, so you can continue to disrespect us at long distance — and again, you’re welcome.)

Your half-hearted expression of “appreciation” is noted – but it is negated by everything else you have said.

You have asked me not to write, and hereafter I will refrain from doing so, and will be very happy to delete your E, but I felt that your characterizations of us and our work merited a rebuttal.

As I said, while we like to attempt to educate our correspondents when possible, we also recognize that some people are ineducable, and incapable of carrying on a rational discourse, preferring instead to rely on vitriolic sound bites and a blinding ignorance.

As Samuel Langhorne Clemens (aka Mark Twain) wrote,

“Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.”

How very true.

Sincerely,

F. J. Taylor
USMC (Ret.)

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Did you not see my request that you not write me back? Oh, you did, so you choose a different email address to use so you could get your slander in? How very mature and professional of you. You sound like a true sicko. Leave me alone or you will be reported.