Mr. Weinstein, You’ve got it all wrong!

Dear Mr.Weinstein
Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists was for the purpose of clarifying that Government can’t prevent the propagation of the Faith of Jesus Christ. Jefferson himself gave an executive order upon becoming president to allow Christian Services to be established weekly in the capital building both in the Supreme Courst Chambers which were in the basement of the Capital at that time and in the Congressional Chambers. He attended the services in the Capital every Sunday while he was president. These service were attended by every president up until about 1865 when they ended, which was not by any legal effort. Jefferson had nothing to do with the writing of the U S Constitution or the Bill of Rights. You need to contact David Barton of Wallbuilders.com to get the real intent of the Separation of Church and state. Government was never meant to curtail Religious activity.

(name withheld)


Dear (name withheld),

Mikey Weinstein has read your email and asked me to respond on MRFF’s behalf.

Mikey and everyone at MRFF couldn’t agree with your ‘punch-line’ more, “Government was never meant to curtail Religious activity.” We also believe that under our Constitution the government was never meant to have any official role in religious activity as well. To do otherwise would be destructive to both government and religious activity.

Everyone at MRFF is well acquainted with Barton and his website. In fact, MRFF’s Senior Research Director has written/spoken volumes on the lies, half-truths, misquotations and junk history of David Barton.
-http://www.talk2action.org/story/2010/7/31/123919/659
-http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/david-barton-tells-glenn-_b_1799519.html
While Barton’s brand of history relies on the philosophy that “There’s a sucker born every minute”, his success is limited to audiences with an X-Files mentality of “I Want To Believe”. While religious faith is clearly acceptable (without government support/involvement) faith-based rather than fact-based history is simple pandering.

In reference to your statement that “Jefferson had nothing to do with the writing of the U S Constitution or the Bill of Rights”, I offer the following. James Madison’s (aka ‘The Father of the Constitution’) beliefs regarding religious entanglements with government are best expressed in his own words from his contribution to the Federalist Papers which were written for the specific purpose of supporting Constitutional ratification:
The Federalist No. 10
The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection (continued)
Daily Advertiser
Thursday, November 22, 1787
[James Madison]
http://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm
The latent causes of faction are thus sown in the nature of man; and we see them everywhere brought into different degrees of activity, according to the different circumstances of civil society. A zeal for different opinions concerning RELIGION [my emphasis], concerning government, and many other points, as well of speculation as of practice; an attachment to different leaders ambitiously contending for pre-eminence and power; or to persons of other descriptions whose fortunes have been interesting to the human passions, have, in turn, divided mankind into parties, inflamed them with mutual animosity, and rendered them much more disposed to vex and oppress each other than to co-operate for their common good. So strong is this propensity of mankind to fall into mutual animosities, that where no substantial occasion presents itself, the most frivolous and fanciful distinctions have been sufficient to kindle their unfriendly passions and excite their most violent conflicts.
The disdain towards the division and mutual animosity created by religious entanglements with government shown in this statement by Madison could not be any clearer.

I am a Christian (Episcopalian in fact) who fully supports Mikey’s and MRFF’s attempt to protect members of the U.S. Military from unconstitutional religious (any religion) influence in relation to their training, assignment, advancement and retention. My devotion to this cause is based on the fact that by adoption of the Constitution, we as a nation agreed to be bound to each other under a democratic Man’s Law rather than a theocratic Devine Law. To sum up my perspective, I defend both my Christian faith and my Constitution proudly and equally. I simply don’t feel compelled to defend one at the expense of the other. Mr. Barton may be selling…but I’m not buying.

Peace be with you,
Andy Kasehagen


In you reference to James Madison, I found what Madison had to say about freedom of speech on Pages 411 to 412 of the “America’s God And Country” by Bill Federer.

“‘We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of the government, far from it.
We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government; upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOD”‘.

“James Madison, known to regularly lead his household in the observance of family devotions, was an adamant defender of religious freedom. His strong position of defending religious freedom began when, as a youth, he stood with his father OUTSIDE A JAIL IN THE VILLAGE OF ORANGE AND LISTENED TO SEVERAL BAPTISTS PREACH FROM THEIR CELL WINDOWS, HAVING BEEN IMPRISONED FOR THEIR RELIGIOUS OPINIONS.(Is this the plan for MRFF for Christians who speak out their faith in the military, prison?) James Madison, who had STUDIED for the MINISTRY before he took up the study of law, said:
‘Religion, or the duty we owe to our CREATOR, and manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence;
and, therefore, that all men should enjoy THE FULLEST TOLERATION IN THE EXERCISE OF RELIGION ACCORDING TO THE DICTATES OF CONSCIENCE, UNPUNISHED AND UNRESTRAINED BY THE MAGISTRATE, unless under color of religion any man disturb the peace, the happiness, safety of society, and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice CHRISTIAN FORBEARANCE. LOVE AND CHARITY TOWARD EACH OTHER.”‘

Are you confused about what the above means. Don’t pull the “happiness” as a reason to shut up a Christian in the Military. You are not acting according to the original intent of the founders, but making your regulations to satisfy atheists or any other persons who want to prevent Christians from the free exercise clause of the First Amendment of the Constitution. That includes the military, don’t give me your line that Separation of Church and State means that government trumps Religion. It meant that Religion Trumps Government because God is the authority over government. God gave us these freedoms, not government. You and Mikey and Richard are in violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.

(name withheld)


Dear (name withheld),

It would be too kind to call this simply a pathetic grasping of straws, when it is actually a blatant pandering attempt to justify your preconceptions no matter how wrong they’re repeatedly proven to be. You provide a general statement on self-reliance and childhood biographical information in a shockingly weak attempt to contradict the specific language used in the Constitution along with the specific admonition written by Madison as justification for curtailing all religious entanglements between religion and government.

MRFF’s actions are supported by the Constitution, Case Law, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice…deal with it. Wishing upon a star and ersatz “historian’s” rather than the law won’t make it so no matter the size of your tantrum.

Now, if you would like your ‘if and buts’ to become ‘candy and nuts’ (to coin a phrase), I recommend you summon the courage to discontinue your faith in dishonest “history” and pursue an honest constitutional amendment that would create your dream of a “Christian Nation”. MRFF will work to ensure that you find no greater success than your predecessors:
-Christian Amendment Movement (1864)
-National Reform Association (successor to Christian Amendment Movement)
-Vermont Senator Ralph Flanders (1954)
-and many other lesser attempts with even less success.

Andy

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  1. GOD said there would be days like this when Leaders and Government would attempt to crucify JESUS CHRIST all over again. For us that are believers, whoa to us, for our accountability is great. This nation will Glorify JESUS CHRIST and there are in-fact no atheist in the foxhole (publicly or private, in a church or on the street corner), a truth has been spoken. I’ve served in two wars with a hard heart, yet I’ve learned truth is truth, and this statement conveys truth.

    LtCol Reyes, this is an opportunity for FATHER to be glorified, JESUS CHRIST through and in the BIBLE proclaim this Truth. Stand your ground and allow the LORD to fight this battle. “FATHER, we ask that you strengthen and sustain your choice man for this hour for your Honor , Praise, and Glory in JESUS CHRIST Name!

    A Willing Heart

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