VIDEO: FOX NEWS’ “The Kelly File” features Mikey Weinstein – Group demands Air Force drop ‘God’ from oath


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10/24/13 THE BLAZE – Megyn Kelly’s Tense Interview With Military Church-State Separatist: ‘Chill, Mikey’

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17 Comments

  1. Thomas Skonie

    Let those who wish opt out of “So help me God”. That is real religious freedom. Not someone trying to jam their atheism down someone else’s throat.

  2. Richard Murton

    Thomas how about they change it to “So help me Krishna” and let the Christians say “So help me God” if they choose.

  3. Alan Barthel

    Opting out is not separation of Church and State…. the phrase “So help me God” servers no purpose except to say that I need a fall back option if I can’t stand by my own honor. Get rid of it.

  4. dominickj

    We are a Secular Nation. There should be NO mention of any God in any of our Government Programs at all!!!

  5. dominickj

    Just because elected officials say it doesn’t make it right!! The words need to be removed SO NO ONE says them…

  6. Luther E. Franklin

    Since there are so many different concepts and beliefs of God(s), Allah, Jesus, Buddha, Yahweh, etc. and whereas the TRUTH is that No Human Being actually knows the If, What or Who about any “God” (although many erroneously Think that they do)….AND our wise writers of the Constitution made it clear that there is to be no religious test for federal office, and No official State Religion……
    The “so help me God” and “under God” phrases should not be associated with any US government items or oaths. Period.

  7. Terry E.

    I love the idea of the MRFF. I have Mikey’s book and have contributed to this cause. I don’t understand why he subjects himself to appearances on Faux News. Did I miss him on Rachel, Chris or Ed’s shows? For those of you who are not aware, he also lives behind a semi-fortress such as Dr. Tiller did. Let’s hope he does not suffer the same fate from some ignorant, gun-toting Tbagger.

  8. Eldon Wedlock

    @Thomas Skonie: You are missing the point of the Np Religious Test clause that Mikey way relying on (and Kelly) was not ‘aware” of; probably no one at Fox ever thought to look it up even after this discussion. By including the god phrase the flawed (no cheating?) oath lends a stamp of federal gov’t approval to it. Thus someone who leaves it out hasn’t taken the full ‘(gov’t) approved’ oath! Now if someone noticed and decided to take punitive action against them, then I agree they would have great 1st Amendment and Art 6 defenses But the burden of such defense would be upon them – itself in violation of the Constitution, IMHO. Why should they have to do that? Peace.

  9. Chris

    Why not have the words “I don’t believe in silly cultural superstitions about invisible overlords” at the end of the oath but allow people to opt out of saying that if they choose?

  10. John dirnberger

    Leave out the “so help me God”. Those who want to verbally add it may do so, as well as those who want to say “praise be to Allah” or whatever else they wish to add.
    Leaving it in clearly violates the constitution by respecting Judeo-Christianity over other religious beliefs and non-belief. Everyone in this country is free to believe whatever they choose to believe, but public agencies must not favor any one belief system. The fact that politicians do so only demonstrates the majority of voters believe in some religion and the current or would be office holders are afraid of losing votes.

  11. a Texas Skeptic

    Megan is letting her christian privilege show.
    “What about Barack Obama” … Well Megan, the oath of office for the President does NOT include ‘so help me god’. Any president is free to add that on his own, but is not required to. The fact that the Chief Justice prompts the president to say it, itself may actually be unconstitutional.
    The phrase should be removed and any cadet that wants to say it is certainly free to.

  12. Chris

    I feel so sad for you and you misguided heart. You can take God out of an oath but that does not mean he doesn’t exist. The impact and media attention you draw from this is outrageous and the consequences on YOUR life will be eternal. We all know the direction this country is headed and it is because of blind, hard-hearted people like you that this once great nation founded on God principals is failing, and fast! Your organization just ads fuel to the fire. I know where I am going someday, and I am truly happy about that, but it should rouse your soul since you are headed in the opposite direction. It’s my children and grandchildren I am more concerned with. You know deep down inside, however you suppress it, that there is a higher power that you will answer to, someday.
    I pray your heart changes and you do the right thing before it is too late.
    Chris

  13. The Average Joe

    For starters, Jesus the Christ and James the Apostle both taught Christians to avoid oaths! Jesus said, But I say unto you, SWEAR NOT AT ALL; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne … But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” (Matt 5:34, 37) Likewise, James taught “But above all things, my brethren, SWEAR NOT, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation” (James 5:12, KJV). If a person is righteous then an Oath won’t make them do a better job and if a person is unrighteous then an Oath won’t make them keep their word. It is a moot point.

    Among the American Founding Fathers were Freethinkers, Agnostics, Atheists (“Materialists”), Quakers, Unitarians, and others on the fringe of mainline Christianity. This is why we have what is called a “Godless Constitution”. God is not mentioned anywhere (nor Jesus). In fact, that includes the presidential Oath of Office in the U.S. Constitution, Article Two, Section One, Clause Eight: “I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” [period!]. In the case of the military and federal employees I would think that a simple statement like that would suffice.

    Our original U.S. money (ca. 1800~1870’s) like the Dollar and the Eagle usually had “Lady Liberty” and the word “Liberty” on it, not “In God We Trust” which was added later. Same for the Pledge of Allegiance, the phrase “under God” was added by Congress. Somehow these things get added to oaths or to money and then they become engrained in people’s minds, but they are just added and are not required by the Founding Fathers so they should be removed. In this case, all that Freethinkers, Agnostics, Atheists, and Liberals want is for a return to the original intent of the Constitution’s silence on spiritual matters. Those are between you and your Maker (God, parents, or whatever).

  14. Bar Baxter

    To Chris, who said, “We all know the direction this country is headed and it is because of blind, hard-hearted people like you that this once great nation founded on God principals is failing, and fast!”:

    1. Please speak for yourself only, instead of saying “We all know….” You do not speak for me!
    2. If this country is headed the wrong way, isn’t it logically more likely that it is because of the majority who call themselves Christian, rather than because of the relatively small number of atheists? YOU GUYS are in charge of EVERYTHING!
    3. In my experience, the most “blind, hard-hearted” people I have known have been self-proclaimed Christians! I could tell you several instances when church-going “Christians” (people I know personally in my small sphere) have physically attacked other people, have stolen massive amounts of money from others, have cheated in business, have avoided taxes, have beaten children, have committed elder abuse, etc., etc. And this doesn’t even begin to count the number of such wrongs that are widely known because they actually make it into the news.
    4. It is not the atheists who try to “shove their beliefs down other people’s throats.” The only people I see doing that are “Christians.”
    5. Just because “Christians” may be in the majority in this country, that does not give them the right to trample over the rights of others. If anything, they should strongly protect the rights of minorities–if they really practice their religion.

  15. PISSEDOFF

    THE FAT LITTLE GUY WANTS TO TAKE GOD OUT OF AIR FORCE WHAT A SHAME

  16. Ken

    There is a new name for the MRFF organization. It’s being renamed Mickey and the Murfs. Mickey Weisntein is nothing more than an athiest who despises religion, any religion. He is trying to force his beliefs, or I should say non-beliefs, on our military men and women. We currently have miitary leaders who are weak and more concerned with being politically correct than being concerned with the well-being of our military personnel. It’s time we stand up to Weintein and tell him to take his anti-religious views to a country where he might be welcomed, like China, or North Korea or Iran.

  17. Bernard Valentin

    Mr Weinstein, THANK YOU!!!
    When Athiest like you present your opinion, you make conservative arguments stronger. Anybody that actually reads your reference will find out that Article 6 section 3’s reference to a religious test to hold office is not directed to an honor code at a Military school, it is directed at a prohibiting a requirement to hold a specific religious belief in order to hold a federal position in the government. A code that those of us who are current with our facts, will agree is still in place.

    In case you and you followers have not noticed, All laws concerning morality are based on Christian and Jewish values. No laws (other than Sharia Law, but that is a whole different discussion) are based on world religions or views. The Academy oath is one that affirms the high moral standard required while building the future leaders of our great country. This fact is something you should be painfully aware of since this very institution you now detest and attack on a regular basis is the institution that you received your education from.

    If you are honest in you research, you will find that this great country was founded by Christian men on Judeo-Christian values. Those same Christian values provide protection EVERYONE, even to those who like you who detest this country and its values. Soldiers lay down their lives for all men’s liberties, not a religious group of particular political party. When you try to hijack this country’s core value system and change what it stands for, you expose your agenda of hating the very value system that this country was founded on. Why did you take the oath when you were a student? You had the freedom to out procees at anytime when you were at the Academy but you obviously chose not to do so.

    Have you or your group ever wondered why there are no countries worth mentioning that have been started by Atheist? Of course not, there are none. It is easier to hijack a great country and reduce it to your level that create your own original thought or movement. Liberals have not created anything in United States History, although they have been very successful in taking what others have created and taking the fruits of others labor. this parsiticle practice is why The United States is in such

    ” If you are willing to rob Peter to pay Paul, you will always have the support of Paul”

    Mr. Weinstein, I am available to speak directly to you and your organization and help educate your staff and followers on the facts surrounding this issues and the many more situations that are plaguing this once great country, I warmly welcome you invitation.

    Mr Bernard Valentin

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