FEATURED INBOX POST – Antichrist Mickey: No Christian Marriage At Little Rock AFB

Mr Mickey Weinstein, we have family in the military. We have just read where you and your MRFF has stopped the Little Rock AFB from providing badly needed Christian marriage education to the troopes there.
Why would anyone who lives in the U.S.A.do that we asked ourselves. We do not understand such unlawful hatred against Jesus and His sanctity of marriage. And to deprive our troopes of His saving grace and salvation? Without Christ marriage is doomed.

For clarity, we asked our Pastor at Bible Study this morning. The exact moment we said your name of Mickey and that of the MRFF he knew all he needed to know he said. You are an evil outlaw to humanity. And to America and its fine military. He told us all about you and your MRFFs persecution of Christians in the military. Why do you do what you do to the followers of the only Savior? Pastor gave us the reason. Scripture has you marked as clear as day.
It is because you are truly the Antichrist in the flesh he says. You have reveeled yourself Mickey Weinstein. And also all the MRFF slaves to Satan who follow you.

(name withheld)


Dear Sir or Madam,

I would address you by name, but the copy of the e-mail that you sent to Mikey Weinstein did not have a name attached to it.
I know you are upset about the halting of the Christian marriage education program, and I can sympathize with your concerns. However, I support groups like the MRFF and Mr. Weinstein when they take steps to halt these types of programs.
When our young men and women enter any branch of the US military, they take a solemn oath, the same one I took when I entered the military. It goes something like this: I (say your name) do solemnly swear to uphold the constitution of the United States from enemies at home and abroad. It is an oath that those of us who support the freedoms of the United States have sworn to keep, with our lives if necessary. It says nothing about mom, apple pie, or God, just the Constitution.
Since you sent an e-mail, I am guessing you have access to the Internet. I invite you to read the Bill of Rights, the first ten amendments to the Constitution, especially the first one about freedom of religion, specifically the separation clause and the establishment clause. Those hard won words protect our citizens not only for freedom of religion, but also with freedom from religion.
Imagine sitting in an audience in the military at a mandatory meeting that you were required to attend, especially if you were not a Christian. Or worse, a Christian who did not believe in the brand of religion that was being force on you.
When Thomas Jefferson wrote an 1803 letter to the Danbury Baptists who were being persecuted for their religious views, he assured them there would be a wall of separation between church and state. If ever there was an organ of the state, it is the US military. Mr. Weinstein is bravely on the front lines of the battle, trying to protect your rights, and the rights of people in the military by stopping people from forcing their religious views on others.
Neither Mr. Weinstein, nor myself, nor the nearly 50 million Americans who say they do not regularly attend places of religious worship, are Satan or followers of Satan. I think if you thought about it before you sent that e-mail, you might have not said that. I know that things have upset me and I have sent an e-mail that I later regretted.
Finally, I want you to know that over half of the membership of the MRFF are Christians like yourself. Thank you for taking the time to read my e-mail.
Sincerely,
Marvin Straus


Dear (name withheld),

If you had read the story or decided to look into the matter more deeply (admittedly not a strength of most fundamentalist christians), you might have discovered that Mikey didn’t CANCEL the christian marriage counseling–he has no objection to the chaplains at LR AFB offering that sort of support for those that request it–through the chapel programs and without endorsement or pressure by senior officers to participate. What he and the MRFF did object to was the fact that for the published “Wingman Day” program at LR AFB, there were no spiritual programs offered that were anything other than christian. In doing so, the message that was received by many (specifically the 25 airmen that complained to the MRFF–24 of whom are christian) was that the only spiritual needs that should be supported are christian, that the only christian marriages are valid, and that senior ranking officers would know who did or did not sign up for these programs. They were so afraid of the command climate at LR AFB that they knew that any complaints would hurt their career–so they contacted the MRFF. The MRFF didn’t cancel the christian programs–they just made sure that alternatives were offered which is something that the commander and his legal advisors admitted was the right thing to do. They even thanked him for pointing out the issue so they could fix it quickly.

By the way, it may shock you to learn that there are members of our Air Force who have served honorably and do not recognize your savior as anything more than an itinerant street preacher who contributed some interesting quotes and generally admirable ethical premises to (eventually) modern philosophy. I for one, have served honorably in the Air Force for more than 30 years, been shot at and sent to multiple hostile fire zones. I was in the Pentagon at 9/11 and didn’t pray. Moreover, I’ve raised two sons who also have served honorably in the military–and are atheists and honorable human beings. Now for the real shocker–I’ve been married for almost 33 years to the same atheist woman. All four of us support the MRFF and their critical mission of protecting EVERYONE’s ability to worship (or not worship) as we see fit and to protect us from narrow-minded, poor spelling, fundamentalists, who still think the world is flat and only 6000 years old. (It’s spelled “troops”, dumbass–but we really prefer to be called “airmen.”)

Sincerely,
Your Favorite Atheist Airman Still Serving Every Day to Protect Your Private Right to Be Ignorant and Bigoted


Dear (name withheld),

I’ve been asked to respond to your email, as Mikey is busy protecting the sanctity of religion for everyone else in the military, Christians and non-Christians, alike.

My first thought, I must admit, was that you were joking, and I was ready for a hearty laugh! But, sadly, you seem to be serious — and that means, seriously misinformed.

Just to keep things simple for you, here’s what you probably most need to know: Christian marriage education is still alive and well, legal and supported — even by Mikey and everyone at MRFF — just so long as it comes through the Chaplain’s office and the chapels on base at Little Rock AFB.

The general chain of command cannot, by law, force everyone to sit through religious indoctrination, because no one, single form will be right for the religious preferences of every single military member. You wouldn’t necessarily want to watch, say, the Mormon version of that marriage education video, would you? Well, Mormons consider themselves Christians, too. Same for Catholics. Same for Quakers and Seventh Day Adventists.

Now, go in peace, sleep well, tonight, and feel safe. No one is taking away your religious rights. We’re merely protecting everyone equally, without preference or special privileges to any one religious point of view over another. That’s the legal, American, patriotic way.

Signed,
A veteran and staunch supporter of MRFF


Dear (name withheld):

I had the opportunity to review your letter to Mikey Weinstein (below). First, I regret that I cannot address you by name because you did not provide it – so I am forced to address this to your email address. Second, I would like to thank your family members in the military for their service to our country. Finally, although I did read your letter, neither Mikey (not “Mickey,” as you call him) nor anyone at the MRFF asked me to respond, so my thoughts should not be attributed to Mr. Weinstein or the fine people who volunteer their time with the MRFF.

That said, I must say that I am confused by your concerns. It is not the mission of the MRFF to “deprive” our troops of Christ or the Christian view of marriage. Instead, the mission of the MRFF is to ensure the separation of church and state, as provided in our U.S. Constitution. As I am sure you know, our Constitution prohibits the establishment of any religion. Clearly, any training in our military that is restricted to any particular religion’s values would violate that Constitutional mandate. I am certain that the MRFF would have worked just as diligently to abolish a training program based on the values of Judaism or Islam. I am also somehow confident that, if that were the case, you would support the work of the MRFF wholeheartedly.

The fundamental issue is that ceasing training that is based on a particular religion does not prohibit service members from practicing that religion. Nobody is “deprived” from “grace and salvation” simply because the military rightfully stops enforcing Christian views regarding marriage. Christian service members are free to practice their religion regardless of how all service members are trained – as are all other service members practicing other religions or no religion at all.

According to your letter, you seem particularly concerned about marriage education for our troops. While I personally disagree that marriage education is a necessary component for military training, I must note that the Christian-based education was replaced with classes on communication and intimacy. I cannot imagine any topics more important to marriage – regardless of religious beliefs. Accordingly, it appears that your concerns about marriage education have been adequately addressed. If not, I am afraid that the problem is not with the work of the MRFF, but instead with your own misunderstanding of our Constitution and its requirements.

This is not a matter of “hating” Christ or “persecuting” Christians in the military. It is simply a matter of respecting our Constitution and upholding its mandates.

I hope that this helps you to understand the true mission of the MRFF. I further hope that you share this information with your pastor since, by your letter, it seems that he has similarly failed to grasp the true work of the MRFF and the importance of what Mikey Weinstein and the MRFF do to ensure the religious freedome of our soldiers, sailors, Marines, and veterans.

Sincerely,
Tobanna Barker


Good Day —

Mikey shared your email with me and as I’m both a fellow Christian and an Air Force veteran, I want to respond. I hope that you are open to some constructive input — but even if my thoughts are unwelcome, perhaps others will read it and prayerfully consider my feedback.

I’ll start with your faulty assumptions about Mikey and MRFF. It’s unfortunate that you would judge so harshly people that you don’t know, and about whom you are probably getting information from biased sources. I do know Mikey and others at MRFF, and I know two things for certain — first, Mikey is not the Antichrist. And second, neither he nor MRFF has a hatred for Jesus, Christianity or the sanctity of marriage. In fact,most of us are people of faith. The thing that binds us together, regardless of whether we subscribe to similar Confessions of Faith or to none at all, is a deep and abiding respect for the US Constitution. As you know having family in the military, all current and former service members have sworn to “support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

These two things — belief in Christianity and respect for the Constitution, are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they are not even in conflict with one another.

With regard to what happened at Little Rock AFB, your facts are incorrect. MRFF did not stop anyone from doing anything. Rather, MRFF assisted a group of service members in raising a concern to base leadership about one aspect of Wingman Day that appeared to favor one particular set of religious beliefs — specifically, the Evangelical video series about marriage. After investigation, base leadership determined that the selection was, in fact, inappropriate for that forum and instead found a marriage program that is more inclusive in nature.

If you feel this is somehow unfair to Evangelicals, then I’d ask you to consider this — what if Wingman Day had planned to show a video series about marriage based upon the teaching of Islam or Buddhism or Druidism or Wicca? My guess is that you would have strenuously objected — and in that objection you have the answer as to why Evangelical Christianity also cannot be favored in that forum.

Keep in mind, that doesn’t mean that the local Evangelical Christian community at Little Rock AFB could not offer a faith-based marriage program to the local populace. That activity and expression of faith is also fully protected by the Constitution. But to include such a program in the context of an official base event like Wingman Day is inappropriate and unconstitutional.

I’d also encourage you to consider the words of Thomas Paine, a man whom I’m sure you know had a tremendous influence on our founding fathers. Paine once wrote — “He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.”

Hopefully, you don’t consider those who disagree with you to be enemies, but the point is valid — if we expect our Constitution to protect each of us, then we must be sure that it protects others as well, even those with whom we do not agree.

Peace,

Mike Challman, MRFF supporter


Dear Confused Citizen,

I am happy to report to you that we at the Military Religious Freedom Foundation do not, in fact, have any ability whatsoever to “deprive our troopes of (insert any deity here)’s saving grace and salvation.” In reality, matters of spirituality or religion are entirely up to the individual and can neither practically nor legally be interfered with by any body of government or non-profit organization. That was a bit dense, and you may have missed the message, so allow me to expound.

When I say no body of government can practically interfere with spiritual matters, what I mean is that the government has no method in its arsenal that could possibly change someone’s religious beliefs. If our military were to demand that all soldiers convert to Taoism, that order would be unenforceable. Any instruction surrounding religion is an external stimulus. Using the example at hand, if you were to go an entire year without watching videos about how your religion benefits you, would you still be Christian? I would hope so. In a year’s time without being forced to watch videos telling you about Jesus’ impact on your marriage would your faith erode so completely that your marriage would collapse? I hope not. If you were forced to watch videos that told you your religion is false and you cannot possibly achieve happiness without converting to another would you convert? Probably not, but that takes me to my next point.

When I say no body of government can legally interfere with spiritual matters, what I mean is that the government cannot support (or defame) any religion while still respecting the Constitution. Our government cannot tell Christian soldiers that they are inadequate because they are Christian, or Muslim soldiers they are inadequate because they are Muslim, or Pastafarians they are inadequate because they have been touched by the FSM. At Little Rock AFB, a body of government (our military) intended to make such an interference. The intent was to tell all troops forced to attend the briefing that the only way to a happy marriage was through one particular religion.

You might be especially frustrated now, because in your world-view there is only one religion and everyone MUST convert or suffer second-death and what-not, but let’s try a thought experiment. Imagine you are an airman stationed at Little Rock AFB. You love Jesus with all your heart and you believe without him marriage is doomed. Your chain of command says you have to go to a briefing that will discuss marriage. In that briefing there are videos that tell you the only way to have a truly happy marriage is if your marriage is founded on the principles of secular humanism. If you express any dissent you are singled out by your chain of command and looked at as a trouble maker. If you leave you receive non-judicial punishment for failure to remain at your assigned place of duty and disobeying a direct order. (this is a very real threat that I have been given numerous times for requesting to be absent from religious ceremonies) This could include loss of rank, loss of pay, and the assignment of extra duty. You know that 85% of your leadership consists of fundamentalist evangelical secular humanists and that if you were to openly tell them that you did not agree with their spiritual perspective you would be isolated from the in-group and face blockades for as long as you served under them. You might lose promotions, assignments, slots for special training, etc. All because you don’t think it’s right for your government to tell you that there is only one true path to happiness, and that path includes secular humanism. What would you do in this situation? Quietly go to the briefing and keep your mouth shut? Go to your chain of command? Seek help from an outside organization? Or perhaps something else?

Looking forward to your reply,

Blake A. Page
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Special Assistant to the President
Director of West Point Affairs


Dear (withheld),

I’m sorry to not be able to address you by name, but you failed to add your name, or the name of your family to your message.

Your confusion is understandable, given the incorrect information you have received, so I’m happy that you reached out so you can get a better understanding of the reality of the situation. First of all, no one here hates Jesus. It’s sad that anyone could think that was the case, particularly so because the vast majority of the members, supporters and staff at the MRFF are themselves Christians.

As regards the “Christian marriage education,” to which you make reference, we are certainly not opposed to that and understand your concern, particularly if, as you indicate, it is “badly needed” there in Little Rock. We encourage your pastor and other Christian clergy to provide all the Christian marriage education you and other Christians may need. Our only concern is that it should be provided by Christian clergy, not by the U.S. Air Force, which, as part of the U.S. Government, should not be in the business of promoting one religious view over another.

I’m sure you understand that. And with that understanding I’m sure you realize that no one here is interested in depriving your troops of anything. Our only concern is that your troops, some of whom do not share your particular belief system, should not be subject to the teachings of a faith they do not share because it is, or appears to be, being promoted by the leadership of their base or their branch of service.

So, as you can see, it’s fairly simple. The freedom to believe as you do requires you and those of your faith to honor the freedom of others to believe as they do. In America, people have the right to find what you call “saving grace and salvation” each in their own way, and though you clearly believe “marriage is doomed” without accepting your particular faith, other people’s marriages, my own included, are quite happy and robust within the understandings we share.

Now, finally, I’m sorry that in searching for “clarity,” as you put it, you managed to ask for guidance from someone who is so clearly very misguided. Your pastor, if he actually said the things you suggest here, is trapped in the ignorance of arrogance and self righteousness that often ensnares those whose belief system is on such shaky ground that they lash out against those who do not share their moral and spiritual constipation.

You have my sympathy if a person of such a small mind and apparently smaller heart is the one you look to for clarity of any kind. His is the kind bigotry that gives religion such a bad odor in this country. And, if I may say so, if the “Christian marriage education” you refer to comes from people like this poor demented soul, I pray for those whose hearts are being polluted by his stygian vision.

Sincerely,

Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)


Dear (name withheld),

For having family in the military, you seem quite ignorant as to the military culture. From the beginning recruits are taught to accept the word of superiors and the military (as an entity) without question. It is the soldier’s duty to obey. That is why the laws of the constitution must be strictly followed. We cannot have superiors advocating overthrow of the government and forming an army of their own. Similarly, we cannot have superiors or the military entity advocating any particular form of belief or religion. I imagine you would be horrified if your son or daughter were being bombarded with Jewish, Muslim or atheist doctrine. I bet you would be quick to notify your congressman about that! Christians don’t get a pass on the Constitution in the U.S.A. It seems that you and your pastor have forgotten that.

I have another bone to pick with you. It is your obsession with Satan. Did you know that Satan as an evil entity opposed to god is a Christian construction? No, of course you don’t. You are ignorant – incapable of independent thought. The Jews don’t have a Satan such as you believe in it. Why do you need to believe in Satan?

Here’s what really worries me. As per the Constitution, you have a right to vote. You don’t put much thought into exercising that privilege, unfortunately. That’s why we have a bunch of incompetents in political office (and no, I’m not referring to Obama). Thank god (if there is one) that there are enough of you to govern the country!

Signed, A military man, follower of the religion of man

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