Religious freedom

Bonnie,

Tell me what religious freedom means please? Have you read the Tanach and how unbelievers were able to live in ancient Israel peacefully? Is Moses on the frieze of the U.S. Supreme Court Building holding the Ten Commandments? Do all public officials take an oath on the Bible before being sworn in to office? I’m guessing that religious freedom to you means nobody is free in their religion, and we all have to act like atheists. It’s too bad all my Jewish friends along with you folks are atheists. You’re not helping America by restricting religious freedom which is what you’re doing. Nobody can make you believe in or worship God. I know in Israel that proselytizing is not allowed. That’s Israel. Maybe you should live there instead of trying to destroy America’s heritage. Read the preamble to the state constitution of Connecticut, “the Constitution State”, which you can find on line. Read the true history of America from non-atheistic, non-establishment, non-communist, non-corporatist/fascist sources, and you might be surprised. Google Christian references by George Washington and John Jay our first Supreme Court Chief Justice. You may find that you are in error. Is your morality superior to the Scriptures? If so, please tell me how that is so? If you kick God out of our public life, then you will just leave a void for avaricious men to fill the position.

(name withheld)


Hello (name withheld),

Thank you for your note to MRFF.

To us, religious freedom means the freedom to practice one’s faith within the parameters of constitutional provision and civil law.

Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion, in the sense that no one should be required through coercion to participate in religious practice. This is especially important in the armed forces.

I’m sure some oaths to office are still using “so help me, God,” or something to that effect, but I think by and large the vast majority of official oaths are simply sworn on personal basis.

The figures seen on government buildings, such as Moses, do not represent the religious aspect of the subject but rather the historical and allegorical aspect. Moses was one of the first broad-based law givers and along with others made sense to put on the Supreme Court building.

Proselytizing is not an American institution. Fundamental evangelizing based on the “Great Commission” is a religious idea and prohibited in the military.

Religion should be discussed and practiced by people of like belief in an exclusive sense so as not to affect others who show no interest in it. This can easily be accomplished by developing a worship center, church, chapel, etc. and making available for the exclusive use of worshippers who wish to engage. Many such centers now exist world wide.

There is no desire on our part to kick God out of our public life but we are also against inserting Him without invitation into public or Military life. Religion is a personal choice that may include joining a parish or congregation or none at all.

I hope this shows you that our heads and our hearts are in the right place.

Rick Baker
Capt. USAF (Ret)
MRFF Volunteer.


Rick,

Thank you for your timely response. I’ve inserted my response in blue in the text:

Hello (name withheld),

Thank you for your note to MRFF.

To us, religious freedom means the freedom to practice one’s faith within the parameters of constitutional provision and civil law.

“There is no constitutional provision of which I know as regards the practice of religion apart from the fee exercise thereof in the first Amendment. As far as civil law, many laws prevent unbiblical forms of practices such as child sacrifices, but not to speak or write freely of one’s beliefs – even if somebody doesn’t want to hear it. Some people are overly sensitive and most particularly militant atheists which includes most of my Jewish friends. ”

Freedom of religion also means freedom from religion

“I would dispute this, because religion is the basis for our Constitutional republic, and it is at the core of our heritage (please read the preamble to the Connecticut Constitution (the “Constitution State” on their license plates – I’ve put it below the body of this text),”

in the sense that no one should be required through coercion to participate in religious practice

“Absolutely agree 100%. This is especially important in the armed forces. What the atheists, Muslims, Jews etc. must recognize is that we are 1.) a culture, 2.) that morality does not just fall from the sky and drop in our laps. There is an origin to morality, and if we deny that, then we get into “democracy” which our country was not supposed to be. When we have democracy then prohibitions on adultery, homosexuality, polygamy, incest, pedophilia, stealing (as defined at the point of a vote or mass coercion), lying, cheating etc. must all be in line with the will of the majority, and that eradicates any objectivity on right and wrong, and therefore, there are no absolute rights and wrongs, only majority rule, and as we have seen with majority rule in our current state of affairs, we have a President who has chosen to use the NSA to spy on us, has publicly declared that he will go around Congress to accomplish his objectives (a dictatorship) and has pushed homosexual marriage upon the whole world which is a gross violation of Biblical principles not mention a realistic mandate for any Chief Executive of the United States.”

I’m sure some oaths to office are still using “so help me, God,” or something to that effect, but I think by and large the vast majority of official oaths are simply sworn on personal basis.

“I can neither confirm nor deny your assertion on this, but if true, it would explain why our leaders no longer feel accountable to the people. If you feel no accountability to God who holds your life in His hand and an eternity of joy or misery as the case may be, then why should those leaders give a hoot what the people think? ”

The figures seen on government buildings, such as Moses, do not represent the religious aspect of the subject but rather the historical and allegorical aspect. Moses was one of the first broad-based law givers and along with others made sense to put on the Supreme Court building.

“You’re begging the question and providing a red herring. If you read the writings of the founders as well as the Connecticut Preamble below (not complete but just the first few lines), then you will see that most of them called for Biblical morality, Gods law to be honored and Jesus Christ as Lord. Unbeknownst to you, the raging debate early in the formation of this country was no king but King Jesus.”

Proselytizing is not an American institution. Fundamental evangelizing based on the “Great Commission” is a religious idea and prohibited in the military.

“The prohibition would not extend to private conversations or public discussion when allowed. On the other hand, you can’t be evangelizing when the Captain is giving you orders – especially in the heat of battle. ”

Religion should be discussed and practiced by people of like belief in an exclusive sense so as not to affect others who show no interest in it

“This is nonsense. I suppose if you’re talking with associates, and politics comes up you would confine yourself to no comment? I doubt it seriously. Politics is the same principle – you have adamant Repubocrats and Demopubs along with Libertarians and Libertines. Religion and politics are two of the four most fundamental aspects of people’s lives in this country and throughout the world, and they’re not going to stop talking about them and likely not going to stop fighting about them. You can cow them into silence and turn us into a Communist or NAZI type government, but that kind of society is just another religion. All people are religious without exception. Sadly, most of them come up with a subjectively based custom religion that only they know and are unable to articulate because it would reveal them for being horrendously obvious hypocrites..”

This can easily be accomplished by developing a worship center, church, chapel, etc. and making available for the exclusive use of worshippers who wish to engage. Many such centers now exist world wide.

There is no desire on our part to kick God out of our public life but we are also against inserting Him without invitation into public or Military life

“Again not true. He was invited in before this country became a nation (read the Mayflower Compact below the Connecticut Preamble), and he was invited in again when the wrangling over the Constitution was getting nowhere, and Benjamin Franklin rose and stood in the midst of his fellow delegates and said; “I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth- that God Governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice (correct translation apart from His will Matthew 10:29), is it probable that an empire can rise without his aid?. ”

Religion is a personal choice that may include joining a parish or congregation or none at all. 100% agreed.

I hope this shows you that our heads and our hearts are in the right place.

“Jeremiah said “Men’s hearts are desperately wicked and deceitful above all else – who can know them?”

Preamble

“For as much as it hath pleased Almighty God by the wise disposition of his divine providence so to order and dispose of things that we the Inhabitants and Residents of Windsor, Hartford and Wethersfield are now cohabiting and dwelling in and upon the River of Connectecotte and the lands thereunto adjoining; and well knowing where a people are gathered together the word of God requires that to maintain the peace and union of such a people there should be an orderly and decent Government established according to God, to order and dispose of the affairs of the people at all seasons as occasion shall require; do therefore associate and conjoin ourselves to be as one Public State or Commonwealth; and do for ourselves and our successors and such as shall be adjoined to us at any time hereafter, enter into Combination and Confederation together, to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the Gospel of our Lord Jesus which we now profess, as also, the discipline of the Churches, which according to the truth of the said Gospel is now practiced amongst us; as also in our civil affairs to be guided and governed according to such Laws, Rules, Orders and Decrees as shall be made, ordered, and decreed as followeth….” [Emphases added.]

Rick Baker
Capt. USAF (Ret)
MRFF Volunteer.

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