Continued persecution of Jesus

Micky, Micky, why does’t thou persecute me over the removal of ‘for both God and country’ Army sign in Arizona?
Jesus

Jesus!  Is that really you Jesus!?

Oh man, I’ve been waiting for an opportunity to talk to you one on one for so very long.  I’m sure you’re already keyed in, but just in case, I wanted to give you a quick run down of the situation here on Earth.
Ever since you left, your followers went off the rails, completely forgetting everything you told them.  That whole message you had about loving thy neighbor, somehow got twisted to mean, love thy Christian neighbor.  So basically if someone isn’t one of your followers, they’re second class citizens.  Crazy, right?!
You remember that time when…well there were a lot of them I guess….when you tried to teach people to respect and love others unconditionally?  Like the time with the lepers, or that, um, prostitute that you were friends with?  Well now it’s completely acceptable among your followers to actively cause harm and support segregation against people unlike them.  Weird, right?
There is one thing that everyone pretty much agrees on though.  When you said you came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword just about everyone said Hoorah let’s get it!  So now there are wars being fought all around the world over whose god is bigger (compensating much?).
Anyways, I know you were just kidding about the persecution thing, I mean, what kind of a weak, powerless, sissy-boy of a deity would you have to be if not having a special place in the government of just one of the hundreds of governments on this planet knocked the wind out of you?
Guess that’s it for now.  Look forward to seeing your wrath on all of the hypocrites that use your name to do evil.
Cheers,
Blake A. Page
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Special Assistant to the President
Director of US Army Affairs

Dear (name withheld),

Why are you trying to speak for Me by putting words in My mouth against My own teachings?

Is your faith in Me so weak that “God” has to be put on everything and if it’s not allowed by law, you get upset? I don’t, because I read the hearts of my people – not billboards or posters.

Mikey (not Micky…I thought I gave you the intelligence to read) is doing exactly what I told him to.

Do you remember that I said to obey your authorities so as not to bring judgment on yourselves; that the rulers have been ordained by ME? (Romans 13:1-2) Well, Mikey is making sure your authorities obey the laws that were passed in your country.

Even though the first of the Ten Commandments says “Thou shalt have no other gods before Me,” your Constitution basically says Oh, yes you can.

Seeing as I ordained those in power, did you ever stop to think why I didn’t allow My name to be in the Constitution? I could have, you know. Could it be that different denominations (all believing they had the ONLY TRUE religious belief in Me) were fighting and killing each other? That by behaving like this, none represented Me? Meditate on that for a minute.

In case you missed it in history class, there is your Constitution which is to be upheld nationwide.

Mikey defends your Constitution and the separation of church and state. I said the same thing when I said “Render therefore unto Caesar (your government) the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.”

When Peter cut off the ear of a servant of the high Priest, I told him to “Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword” (Matthew 26:52) and I healed the servant’s ear. I didn’t need Peter fighting for Me then and I don’t need anyone fighting for me now.

I also said “Blessed are the peacemakers” not warmongers.

When I come back it will be with My heavenly army – not an earthly army.

The laws and the rules of your country which must be obeyed are as follows:

“…but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” (Article I, III)

This means that from the President to Congress to the military – no one’s job is based on their religion.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (Establishment Clause), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Free Exercise Clause).”(First Amendment)

The Establishment Clause means that you cannot favor one religion over another even though it is in the majority. This clause respects the RIGHTS of all religions. Your military is SECULAR and there are people of other faiths that don the uniform that love your country.

The Free Exercise Clause means that your soldiers are free to exercise any religion they want or no religion at all but cannot elevate Me above others.

The Parker v. Levy case, decided on June 19, 1974, defined under the Uniform Code of Military Justice that “the military constitutes a specialized community governed by a separate discipline from that of the civilian…”

The rules that apply to your military do not apply to you or other followers of Me – as civilians.

Your military swears an oath to the Constitution – not Me.

I hope you and others stop speaking for Me; I can take care of Myself.

-The REAL Jesus


Dear Joan
 
You come across as such false “prophet”. You are always ready to whip out Romans 13: 1-2, and then you continue to change the laws in your own Satanic liking and then throw Romans 13 back in the face of weak Christians who do not know their Bibles. 
You do not know history… or, maybe you do, and, you  just can’t stand the truth of scripture and refuse to accept it….such is the World.
You appear hate/loath Christianity. 
Paul was a Jew… why can’t you Micky, oh uh Mickey, sorry;  read Paul’s history and understand his journey in the Truth. Paul was a fanatic. That is why Jesus had to approach him as he did. I pray Jesus approaches you in the same manner, so you may be saved first of all, and before you destroy the faith of any more. 
(This was meant for Mickey not you Joan.)
 
(name withheld)

 

Dear (name withheld),
I am an ordained Evangelical minister and fully understand scripture and Paul’s journey.
I am not the only minister that works with or supports the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
Joan

Joan,
The scriptures speak for Jesus, not you.
Also if Mickey is doing what Jesus told him to do, why is he Jewish?
The Apostle Paul’s conversion experience, was meant for Mickey. Sounds as though you could use the same treatment.
You should know that the founders of our United State shunned a state religion such as Lutheran, Anglican, Catholic etc. 
We were allowed a freedom of religion…generally regarded as a Christian religion. Not wiccan, muslem, buddist, etc. though these are not mentioned. Very likely these never entered the mind of our founding fathers. 
(name withheld)

Dear (name withheld),

The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian Religion. 1797, The Treaty of Tripoli, initiated by President Washington, signed by President John Adams, and approved by the Senate of the United States

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man. Thomas Jefferson

… I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between Church and State. Thomas Jefferson’s Letter to the Danbury Baptists, January 1, 1802

The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses. John Adams “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, 1787-88

The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries. James Madison, c. 1803
 
God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.” Founding Father Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773
 
“We should begin by setting conscience free. When all men of all religions shall enjoy equal liberty, property, and an equal chance for honors and power we may expect that improvements will be made in the human character and the state of society.”
~Founding FatherJohn Adams, letter to Dr. Price, April 8, 1785
“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.”
~Founding Father James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical
Endowments

No religious doctrine shall be established by law.”
~Founding Father Elbridge Gerry, Annals of Congress 1:729-731

“The legislature of the United States shall pass no law on the subject of religion.”
~Founding Father Charles Pinckney, Constitutional Convention, 1787

“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” ~~  Thomas Jefferson Notes on the State of Virginia , 1781 – 1785

“The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.”
John Adams

“Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?”
John Adams

“As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”
John Adams — letter to F.A. Van der Kamp, Dec. 27, 1816

“And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.” Thomas Jefferson to John Adams
“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.”
John Adams
“Experience witnesseth that ecclesiastical establishments, instead of maintaining the purity and efficacy of religion, have had a contrary operation. During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.”
James Madison, Ibid, 1785
Joan

Good Day, (name withheld) –
Thanks for writing to MRFF. Mikey (not Micky) Weinstein has received and read your email, and he has asked if I would offer a reply.  I’m a bit slow in doing so, so I don’t know if you’ve already heard from anyone else… but if so, please know that I’m not intending to ‘pile on’. We get email correspondence from many different types of folks. I always try to respond to the Christian writers because I, too, am a life-long, active, committed Christian in addition to being a supporter of MRFF.
Your thematic approach to your email, suggesting that it comes directly from Jesus, is imaginative and clever, but it also misses the point of what MRFF is actually all about.  We are neither anti-Christian specifically, nor anti-religion generally. In fact, I’d argue that MRFF is one of the most pro-religious freedom organizations operating in the US today, because we seek to support the right to religious freedom of ALL military members of ALL beliefs (including non-belief).  That means that we fight for the rights of Christians, Jews, Muslims, atheists, and any other of the myriad of sectarian beliefs in our diverse, pluralistic society.
Specifically, our mission is dedicated to ensuring that all members of the United States Armed Forces fully receive the Constitutional guarantees of religious freedom to which they and all Americans are entitled by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.
We are pro-Constitution, not anti-religion.
How does this relate to the Arizona recruiting poster? It’s very simple. Our military is proscribed from promoting or favoring any particular sectarian belief over other beliefs, or belief over non-belief, or non-belief over belief. That means that the Army cannot suggest that they are specifically seeking believers in God, just as they cannot specifically advertise that the mission of the Army is on behalf of Allah, or Ahura Mazda, or Biame, or Krishna, or Brahma, or Vishnu or Maheswara.
See where I’m going here?  You and I are Christians, so we see a reference to God as very benign, even appropriate.  But not all military members and recruits believe in the same God, nor is such a belief a requirement of service.
Does that mean that Christians are not welcome to enlist and serve?  Certainly not.  But a lack of preference on a recruiting poster is not in any way akin to persecution. Individuals can still enlist for whatever values they hold dear, be it God, patriotism, mother, apple pie, or any other deeply-felt belief.
So with respect, I don’t believe that Jesus would ever send the email that you crafted. Our God is a God who respects the dignity of every person.  I believe that He would recognize that when someone joins the military, it requires submission to a level of civil authority which has no parallel outside of that environment.  And I believe He would recognize that, when someone willingly puts himself in that situation, it becomes even more important to protect the individuals right to choose and practice his own religious belief.
If our Constitution is to be respected and to really mean something, then there can be no preference, pressure or promotion of any particular belief within our military, and the individual rights of all members must be equally regarded and protected.
Thanks again for taking the time to write to MRFF.
Peace,
Mike Challman
Christian, AF veteran, MRFF supporter

Dear Jesus,

It is a matter of persecution but not yours. Certain of your followers continue the centuries old method of proselytizing you to targeted subordinate recipients.

Our service men and women are in a position of closely supervised and ordered structure. Knowing that, those who would impose you on them have, for many years applied psychological forms of proselytizing, including combining the forces of command and threat. The poster was just one, of many attempts by the few to influence the many through supervisory application.

I might suggest that you consider remembering the fear and frustration of facing Pontius Pilate  and wondering why your Dad  gave you up to that crowd of jackals. Allow people to come to you without the assistance of packs of hunters. Offer to them the benefits of belief  in you and leave out the middlemen and the threat of command revenge.

So often we hear that instead of your peaceful approach to gaining followers, that you should be astride a white charger bearing a “terrible swift sword”  In this way people will fear losing their lives instead of just their time.

But we both know that’s only a temporary situation and followers who were recruited through fear and force  begin to drop off whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Fear is not a good reason to subscribe to your  philosophies.Yet most of your followers with whom I have become acquainted seem to fear losing their foothold in Heaven.

Might I suggest that you also take a moment to recognize Mikey Weinstein’s unorthodox but effective approach to weeding out the selfish and insincere. Is a strange way I believe Mikey may have  sent more true believers to you using logic and persuasive truth than many of the screaming Altar Beaters.

In any case you have been on the job far longer that anyone and deserve some time off. Surely your Dad could arrange that.

I am writing to you through Mikey because I really don’t deserve consideration from you myself and I hope his sincerity will convince you to listen.

Rick
Former Altar Boy.

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1 Comment

  1. Gunther

    To the person who calls himself/herself Jesus:

    Dear Jesus:

    I guess my parents just waste their time and money trying to make me a good religious when you come and tell Mr. Weinstein, Mr. Blake, and people like me that all those religious teachings, saying our prayers, attending Mass, giving money to the Church, and fighting the evildoers to achieve political, social, and economic justice was all for nothing and we were a bunch of dummies for believing in you and God. Maybe we should worship the Sun as George Carlin stated on youtube. Type in George Carlin and religion and watch his Youttube on religion.

    If this is the best you can do Jesus, in the words of George Carlin, “I’m not impressed.” and you are running one monetary racket.

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