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Published On: July 7, 2015|Categories: MRFF's Inbox|4 Comments|

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Wow. I really don’t know what to say to stupidity. Read the name of your”foundation.” It’s not religious freedom for “some”. It’s either all or nothing.
God rained down hail-fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah. He’ll not keep His hand from a country that was FOUNDED on religious freedom but that now has done a complete 180.
(name withheld)

Dear (name withheld),
Talk about stupidity, here’s the real reason “God rained down hail-fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah:”
As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done. ‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen. Ezekiel 16:48-50
Our country was not founded on Christianity:
“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”
1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams

“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.”
Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
Founding Father Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
Founding Father James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion” 

“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.”
Founding Father James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical
Endowments

“No religious doctrine shall be established by law.”
Founding Father Elbridge Gerry, Annals of Congress 1:729-731

“God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”
Founding Father Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773
“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
“Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind.”
Founding Father John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” (1787-88)
To further help you overcome your stupidity, read our mission statement.
While you’re there, read this and see who you are calling stupid.
If you just dug a little into our website, you would have saved yourself from looking foolish.
Pastor Joan
MRFF Advisory Board Member

Hi (name withheld),

I understand that you find it hard to know what to say, but if you’re interested in making a point it would be helpful if what you ended up saying made sense.

Both the name of our foundation and the meaning of the name is clear to us. We defend the freedom of belief for those in the military. And we point out that the military, being part of the government, must be dutiful in separating Church and State, just as Thomas Jefferson and others said.

So when the law of the land, as indicated by and supported by the Constitution, says you can no longer discriminate against gay people’s participation in the military, a religious believer who does not share that belief must either change his position, hold his tongue or leave the military. And now, when the law of the land recognizes the right of gays and lesbians to marry, the same applies.

I hope you will choose to understand that.

I don’t know how old you are, but when President Truman, over 50 years ago, declared that the military was to be fully racially integrated, many who considered themselves Christians, some of them clergy, declared it profane and sacrilegious. Like you, they thundered on with carefully chosen Biblical references. Happily, they have since either seen the light or been assigned to the dustbin of history.

I wish you enlightenment.

Best,

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)

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  1. Yeshua Warrior July 9, 2015 at 6:42 am

    Dear Mr. Farrell,

    God rained down fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah not because of what you say but because of their grievous sin of sodomy, get it, they are from Sodom and they were called Sodomites, if you do not understand what sodomy is, I encourage you to look it up in a dictionary. If God destroyed those two cities because they were overfed and unconcerned and arrogant, that describes every city in the United States, and we should have all been wiped out years ago! Read the account again, two angels came down and the men of the city wanted to “know” them, which is the biblical Hebrew word for sex, same word used for “Adam knew his wife Eve.” Even Lot knew what the men of the city were after, why else would he offer his own daughters and say have sex with them instead. So, Mr Farrell, one who does not have the Spirit of God inside him, cannot discern the true meaning of what scripture is saying as you seem to be doing.

  2. Connie July 10, 2015 at 6:15 am

    Ah, Yeshua Warrior, I have missed you. Well, not really but your inane comments usually bring a smile to my face and you do not disappoint here.

    Mr Farrell, a wise person, didn’t quote your holy book; Pastor Joan (another wise person) did and I’m going to side with her interpretation over yours.

    Thank you for the smile. Your use of (il)logic proves everyone’s point but yours.

  3. Yeshua Warrior July 10, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    “Pastor” Joan is an apostate and does not know how to correctly divide the Word of God, and I will soon call her out on that latter. The best thing “pastor” Joan can do is take off her clerical garb and do us all a favor and turn it in and retire.

  4. Connie July 18, 2015 at 11:33 am

    YW – how did I miss such an amazing word salad? How can I resist such hubris?

    You belittle the calling of Pastor Joan, calling her faith into question all while denying her the same First Amendment rights you claim for yourself. How does your head not explode with the logic bombs you set off every time you comment here?

    When you stand in front of your God and He asks for an accounting of your life I wonder if the deity you meet in the afterlife has the same prejudices you portray in this life. Hubris is assuming you KNOW the mind of God. Oh to be a fly on that judgement day. :D

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