MCBH RELIGIOUS SIGN

Once again, the practitioners of Satanism are at work destroying all vestiges of religion in America!  Where the hell do Satanic pucks like you come from???  I am a Christian and it pisses me off when small minded people like you get upset over a little sign that says “God Bless You”. It makes me feel good and a part of this great organization. Notice the sign does not say Jesus Bless You” or Allah Bless You”. IT simply says “God Bless You!”  You’ve got bigger fish to fry… you know like those crazy rag-headed muslims who want to shove Sharia Law down your throats. So why aren’t you doing something about that??? You’re picking on a little sign that says GBY but you don’t have the balls to take on the Muslims!! What a pathetic bunch of whips and losers you folks are!!! Go to hell!!!!

(name withheld)


 

Dear (name withheld),

I’m a humanist.  Mikey is Jewish.  Over 96% of our clients are Christians.  About half of our clients at MCB Hawaii are protestant Christian.  75% of our staff of volunteers are Christian.  You are ill informed.

If you know of any instances of Muslim leadership in the United States military abusing their position of authority to further their religious message, please let me know immediately and we will aggressively pursue whatever actions we can to see that nonsense addressed.  I won’t hold my breath though, as I doubt a xenophobic twat like yourself has any evidence to produce.

Cheers,

Blake A. Page
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Special Assistant to the President
Director of US Army Affairs


Hi (name withheld),

Hockey player, are you? Fan, at least, I imagine, though I didn’t realize hockey was played in Hawaii. In any case, I’m sure those “Satanic pucks” can be a problem out on the ice.

As to your other interests, you, like a lot of apparently thin-skinned Christians, miss the point. The sign violates the First Amendment. You’ve heard of that, I trust. That’s our concern. It should be moved to the chapel grounds rather than being placed where it is because the military, as part of the U.S. Government, is prohibited from promoting or showing favor for one belief system over another. That’s all.

Nothing Satanic about it. Nothing even anti-Christian about it. It’s really about the U.S. Constitution and protecting everyone’s personal right to a belief system or religion or non-religion of their choice.

As regards your apparent concern about Muslims, we’re unaware of any people in the military or associated with the government who are trying to “shove Sharia law” down anyone’s throat. As far as I know, the suggestion that anyone is trying to do that in the U.S. is a fallacy promoted by some anti-Muslim bigots, so you might want to be careful about tossing around assertions like that.

I’m not clear about your mention of “whips and losers,” so I’ll just assume you’re having a bad day.

Hope things improve for you.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)


Dear (name withheld),

I see the military – with the help of the media – was able to convince you that they did an “exhaustive” research into the legality of keeping the sign on base. Col. Killen and his legal team couldn’t be more wrong.

 

“Killeen said his legal team conducted “exhaustive research on the issue” and found several federal cases, including from the U.S. Supreme Court and the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals that support the conclusion that the sign is not a violation of the Establishment Clause.”

 

Notice that he didn’t state which cases or the dates of those cases because he doesn’t have (or is ignoring) the latest court rulings:

 

As defenders of the Constitution we fight for the separation of church and state.

 

“…but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” (Article I, III)

 

This means that from the President to Congress to the military – no one’s job is based on their religion.

 

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (Establishment Clause), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Free Exercise Clause).”(First Amendment)

 

The Establishment Clause means that you cannot favor one religion over another even though it is in the majority. This clause respects the RIGHTS of all religions. Our military is SECULAR and there are people of other faiths that don the uniform that love this country.

 

The Free Exercise Clause means that our soldiers are free to exercise any religion they want or no religion at all but cannot elevate one God above others.

 

“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320.

 

This is his second known use of the term “wall of separation,” here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter.

 

This wording of the original was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause.

 

Jefferson’s concept of “separation of church and state” first became a part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S.98 U.S. 145 (1878). In that case, the court examined the history of religious liberty in the US, determining that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, “The word ‘religion’ is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted.” The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the “separation” paragraph from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, “coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.

 

In 1878 “separation of church and state” became part of the Establishment Clause BY LAW.

 

The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.

 

Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test.

 

Government action violates the Establishment Clause unless it:
1. Has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose,
2. Does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion, and
3. Does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion.

 

The sign fits into all 3 and therefore it is a violation of the Establishment Clause.

 

Parker v. Levy:

 

“This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society… While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. … The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it… Speech [to include religious speech] that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command.  If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected. (Emphasis added) Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 1974

 

The sign broke both the Lemon Test and Parker v. Levy and is constitutionally unprotected.

 

Here’s a similar situation that occurred at a Marine base in Hawaii that set a precedent for the sign:

 

War Memorial Cross Ordered Dismantled

“Washington (AP) – A huge Christian cross is an inappropriate government war memorial at a Marine base in Hawaii, according to a federal judge who says a non-religious monument would be more suitable.

 

U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan ruled last month that the wooden cross that is lit each night at Camp H.M. Smith in the Honolulu suburbs of Oahu must be removed or replaced by a secular symbol.

 

The judge said the cross amounts to an unconditional endorsement of religion by the government. The cross was challenged by the Jewish War Veterans of the U.S.A

.

“The needless use of means that are inherently religious makes a message of endorsement likely if not unavoidable,” the judge wrote in his opinion.

 

“The 65-foot lighted cross on Bordelon Field at Camp Smith may fairly be considered to convey a message of governmental endorsement of,” Hogan said. “The use of a cross as a memorial; to fallen or missing servicemen, is a use of what to some is a religious symbol where a non-religious one likely would have done as well.”

 

The judge stayed his order for 90 days to give the Reagan administration, the Navy and the Marine Corps an opportunity to seek another stay from the appellate court while they appeal his decision.

 

The Jewish War Veterans of the U.S.A. contended in its lawsuit that the wooden cross on a prominent point at the Marine base violated the Constitution’s ban on governmental endorsement of a particular religion.

 

The government argued during a hearing in May that the cross, erected 22 years ago, served purely a secular purpose of honoring Marines killed in Vietnam or are missing in action.

 

But the Jewish veterans’ group argued the cross cannot be a secular object because it is the “symbol of the passion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

 

The government did not deny the religious significance of the cross, but said “the history of the memorial is clear. It was erected as a secular monument.”

 

Hogan, however, noted evidence that the original cross was built in April 1966 for Easter sunrise services and that it was rebuilt in time to be lit at Christmas 1983.” (The Free Lance-Star Oct. 1, 1988)

 

“The cross was dedicated as an ecumenical memorial to Marines and sailors of the Fleet Marine Force, Pacific, in 1966Therefore, since the cross was not erected, and not maintained, to advance religion, I have decided that it will continue to stand as a non-sectarian symbol of our national resolve to obtain a full accounting of American service members still listed as missing in action…”  P.X. Kelley, General U.S. Marine Corps, Commandant of the Marine Corps

(Page 10: http://www.jwv.org/images/uploads/Camp_Smith_lawsuit.pdf)

 

Compare the aforementioned to this:

 

In a letter to Mikey Weinstein dated October 9, 2015

 

“The message on this particular sign was driven by support of service members who were soon to deploy in response to the attacks of September 11, 2001. The message on this sign has been in place for well over a decade – serving as a secular symbol of general support and encouragement to “military members, their families, and the civilians who work with them.” We will continue to honor those who have sacrificed their lives in defense of this country, our freedoms, and our way of life.” S.C. Killen – Commanding Officer

 

“The sign reads, “God bless the military, their families and the civilians who work with them.” It was erected after Sept. 11, 2001, and Killeen says it stands as a secular sign of support without inhibiting other religions.

“We will always support all service members’ rights to pursue and practice their own belief sets, whether religious or not,” he said.

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2015/10/11/marine-base-in-hawaii-to-keep-god-bless-sign/73776540/

 

P.X. Kelly tried to wrap the word “secular” around a religious symbol the same way S.C Killeen is trying to wrap it around the sign.

 

The sign WILL come down or is moved to the chapel grounds where it belongs.

 

We are not an atheist organization nor are we anti-Christian. Mikey is Jewish (and prays to the same Father we do 3 times a day) and 80% of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters (244 in total) of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) are Christians. In fact, 96% of our 42, 711 soldier clients are Christians. We fight for the rights of Christians more than any other religion.

 

There are currently 72 Marines on that base that oppose the sign.

 

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) does NOT act on its own but at the request of our soldiers’ and their complaints of the blatant disregard and trampling of the Constitution and the Military Code of Justice; blurring the lines between the separation of church and state. Every complaint is vetted by Mikey who was a JAG lawyer at the Air Force Academy for 10 years; worked in the West Wing under Ronald Reagan; and held positions in private practice.

 

Our military is secular – which includes those of other faiths or no belief system – and it must not advance one religion over another according to the Constitution, Supreme Court rulings and the Unified Code of Military Justice. Religious activities must be in the hands of the Chaplains on Chapel grounds, not in the hands of the Commander on base-wide grounds.

 

Jesus has the final say on who is going to hell; not you because we differ from your “opinion.”

 

Proud Christian!

Pastor Joan

MRFF Advisory Board Member


 

Hi (name withheld),

If you recall, pride precedes a fall. Pride in your belief is one thing but to use that pride as a weapon against non-believers is wrong.

A sign that says “God Bless You” is  fine for consenting adults of the same faith but could be considered proselytizing in general use.

There is no difference between God, Jesus, Allah, etc. All are deities.

Just because someone disagrees with you does not make them a Satanist.

You have become so deeply immersed in your faith that it has become a controlling factor above the norm .


You will receive no extra credit from God for extremism.

I wish you well.

Rick Baker
Capt. USAF (Ret)
MRFF Volunteer

 

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1 Comment

  1. Rex Carpenter

    Does this profane philosopher not realize he is forcing his superstitious fantasies down everyone else’s throat? Doesn’t he recognize his opportunity to set an example and keep that mess to himself? It’s what he wants all the other superstitious to do. What could possibly make him an exception? The fact that he believes his crap? That’s what makes him identical to those “rag heads.”:

    His foul, bigoted manner makes him less than them – most of them – but we don’t have to get into that. Just let him stifle.

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