There You Go Again

Dear Mikey:
Don’t you realize as we approach Thanksgiving tomorrow that America was founded on the basis of religious freedom or as the FIRST amendment states that Congress shall make no laws concerning the establishment of religion NOR LIMIT the free  exercise thereof! You are therefore violating the constitution no matter how your anti-Christian bigotry deceives you?!?
Just because the president who by his behavior reveals that he is fiercely anti-Christian asks you to work with him to stamp out Christianity from the military doesn’t make it right! If ANYBODY needs the power and grace of the living God with him it’s a soldier going into war against barbarians.
I realize you don’t know that God is real or you could never be fighti ng so virulently to stamp Him out of the militarily.  Consider Paul who wrote most of the New Testament– as Saul of Tarsus he went as far as killing Christians, thinking he was doing God a favor, that is until the Lord appeared to him on the road to Damascus. As soon as Saul REALIZED that God was real he became the greatest disciple that ever lived. So there’s bope for you. I realize that you resent me for saying this but we all are born separated from God and some of us like you, Saul and even
myself experience a complete transformation once we realize that God is real and become very devoted followers, bringing all that energy and passion TO the cause of Christ, rather than against it, so I pray for you, binding that anti-Christian bigotry and decree your true salvation in Jesus name!
Sincerely,
(name withheld)

Welcome back (name withheld)!
 
I recognized you from the subject line “there you go again” but this time you didn’t capitalize all of the letters.
 
Mikey does not work for President Obama and is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard.  What conspiracy website did you hear that from because it is lying?
 
I see you didn’t understand what I wrote to you before so I will spell it out again.
 
We are neither an atheist organization nor are we anti-Christian. Mikey is Jewish (and prays to the same Father we do 3 times a day) and 80% of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters (244 in total) of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) are Christians. In fact, 96% of our 43, 021 soldier clients are Christians. We fight for the rights of Christians more than any other religion.
 
The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) does NOT act on its own but at the request of our soldiers’ and their complaints of the blatant disregard and trampling of the Constitution and the Military Code of Justice; blurring the lines between the separation of church and state. Every complaint is vetted by Mikey who was a JAG lawyer at the Air Force Academy for 10 years; worked in the West Wing under Ronald Reagan; and held positions in private practice.
 
Our military is secular – which includes those of other faiths or no belief system – and it must not advance one religion over another according to the Constitution, Supreme Court rulings and the Unified Code of Military Justice.
As defenders of the Constitution we fight for the separation of church and state.
“…but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” (Article I, III)
 
This means that from the President to Congress to the military – no one’s job is based on their religion.
 
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (Establishment Clause), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Free Exercise Clause).”(First Amendment)
 
The Establishment Clause means that you cannot favor one religion over another even though it is in the majority. This clause respects the RIGHTS of all religions. Our military is SECULAR and there are people of other faiths that don the uniform that love this country.
The Free Exercise Clause (which is subservient to the Establishment Clause) means that our soldiers are free to exercise any religion they want or no religion at all but cannot elevate one God above others.
 
“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320. 
This is his second known use of the term “wall of separation,” here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter.
 
 This wording of the original was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause.
Jefferson’s concept of “separation of church and state” first became a part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S.98 U.S. 145 (1878). In that case, the court examined the history of religious liberty in the US, determining that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, “The word ‘religion’ is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted.” The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the “separation” paragraph from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, “coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.
 
In 1878 “separation of church and state” became part of the Establishment Clause BY LAW.
Did you get that? By law!
The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.
Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test:
 Government action violates the Establishment Clause unless it:
1. Has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose,
2. Does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion,
3. Does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion.
The crusader name and cross fits into all 3 and therefore it is a violation of the Establishment Clause. Did you get that?
 Parker v. Levy: 
 “This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society… While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. … The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it… Speech [to include religious speech] that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command.  If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected.” (Emphasis added) Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 1974
 
How about this one? Did you get it? Do you see that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society?
 
The crusader name and cross broke both the Lemon Test and Parker v. Levy and is constitutionally unprotected.
So, if anyone is violating the Constitution and Supreme Court rulings, it is the military – not us.
The Constitution is based on religious freedom for ALL religions and those of no faith but not on Christianity.
Treaty of Tripoli was signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796.It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797; a mere 8 years since our Constitution went into effect. If what was written was wrong in anyway, there would have been uproar. But, it passed unanimously and confirmed that America was not founded on Christianity.

Treaty of Tripoli:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

.The Constitution reflects our founder’s views of a secular government protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief. 
 
The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, “The idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety.” 
 
“The Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered”. George Lincoln Burr (1857 – 1938), Professor of History and Librarian at Cornell University
Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
 
History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.
Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813
The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.
George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history. 
James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments
 
God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773
 
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.
James Madison 1785 Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments
 
Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination. 
As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
 
According to our Founding Fathers the Constitution is not based on Christianity or biblical law.
 
The Constitution and subsequent Supreme Court rulings uphold the separation of church and state and prohibits any government entity – which includes our military – from supporting or advancing ANY religion.
 
And stop the proselytizing of Mikey…it’s getting tiring.
 
As a descendant of Native American Indians, I am highly offended by you saying this country was founded by Europeans. It was already settled from sea to shining sea by the different tribes and stolen. See attachment.
 
Pastor Joan
MRFF Advisory Board Member

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4 Comments

  1. Yeshua Warrior

    Well I see that Pastor Joan has copying and pasting down pat, she always copies and pastes the same thing in every reply she does! I wonder if she has any original thoughts apart from the Mafia Religious Freedom Foundation’s spin?

    I would like to know why she still disobeys scripture when it says not to be unequally yoked to non-believers (Mikey Weinstein) and chooses to serve the devil and his works rather than God??!

  2. Connie

    YW – when you and your pals come up with an original idea I’m sure Pastor Joan will come up with new things to say. I can’t speak for Pastor Joan (disclaimer I believe she is AWESOME SAUCE!!!!!) but I can speak for me.

    I tried to discuss sharing with you before but you blew me off, time and again. Even when you answered my question about my rights to worship as I believe you gave me a “Yes But” answer. This means everything before the but is negated by what comes after the but. Yes I have the right to worship as I see fit but your faith is the one true faith you told me. Way to be respectful (snark alert).

    Honestly, it’s like you enjoy beating your head against a wall. There is no ‘satanic’ plot to take over the USA, just people who are different who all have to share this very small continent. That is a problem for you because you don’t like to share with anyone who doesn’t believe just as you do. Seems to be a limited life but it’s yours to live.

    Where I see we have an issue is your insistence that your faith is the Only Way (trademark pending). YW – there are as many ways to the Light as there are souls. It is hubris for you to think you have the answer for EVERYONE.

    Learn to share or get out of the way. I personally would love for you to get out of the way but I’m re-learning about sharing this week.

  3. Yeshua Warrior

    Connie, Jesus Himself said that “He is the way, the truth, and the life, no man can come to the Father but through me” then that is what it means, there is no way to heaven but through Jesus alone, all other ways will lead to eternal death. When Jesus speaks, all other religions must submit to His Lordship!

  4. Angela Schweig

    Connie, against this Dominionist, exclusionist, bigoted, homophobic wannabe Christian box’o’rocks, you’re only beating your head on your desk trying to get him (?) to listen and respond respectfully and to share this very small continent with all of us who live here. You’ll feel much better when you stop. But I admire your tenacity and spunk. 😀

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