You are assholes

You piss about a tee shirt with a burka, why don’t you ask the FAMILIES of the French MURDER by the FUCKING RAG HEADS
Don;t like my verbiage, we do NOT leave our RELIGION OF GOD at the gates of any Military installation.  GOT THAT SHIT HEADS

No where in the Constitution does it state freedom FROM religion.  It is only maggots such as you who have invented this phrase.  But little by little we are winning against turds such as you.  A case in point with the US Marine’s complaint winding to the SC.

(name withheld)


 

 

Dear (name withheld),

Rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble.

I see you’re upset, but have no idea why.  What do you think we have to do with the attacks in Paris, precisely?

Is it our opposition to any theocracy, Islamic or otherwise that you believe puts the blame on us?  Or perhaps you believe that if we just let your religion take over the US military and wage jihad under a cross everything would be made peaceful and calm.

You’re right about the constitution not having the particular string of words “freedom from religion” anywhere in it.  It also omits the words “this country is founded on the Christian religion.”  Nuance.

I don’t know what point you’ve tried to make by writing us.  Perhaps if you took a breather and tried to explain it after cooling down we could have a real conversation.

Or not, either way is fine by me.

Blake A. Page
Military Religious Freedom Foundation
Special Assistant to the President
Director of US Army Affairs


Nope!… We do NOT “got that”!… Fortunately, we DO have our nation’s beautiful Constitution!!!! :-)… Keep trying for education, brother… That will help you… Mikey


Yes Turd, and the Constitution says and you best read it maggot breath

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
Now no law was MADE and prohibiting Free Speech you desire to crush
GOT THAT SHIT FOR BRAINS.  
 
THE UCMJ HAS IT’S AUTHORITY FROM THE CONSTITUTION.
(name withheld)


(name withheld), you are appropriately named. I’m not sure how that happens, because most of the time ignorance lacks humor. Maybe it was an accident.

Your understanding of the constitution is about on the level with your ability to communicate clearly. I’ll avoid mentioning your inability to reason.

You just go on continuing to spew garbage from that sewer you call a mouth and we’ll continue doing our best to make our country live up to its promise.

Best,

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)


Dear (name withheld),

Well now, I see the media and religious organizations were able to convince you about the lies, omissions and distortions concerning the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) to the point that you had to fire off this missive; including vulgarity that should never come out of a Christian’s mouth.

 

We are neither an atheist organization nor are we anti-Christian. Mikey is Jewish (and prays to the same Father we do 3 times a day) and 80% of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters (244 in total) of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) are Christians. In fact, 96% of our 42, 711 soldier clients are Christians. We fight for the rights of Christians more than any other religion.

 

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) does NOT act on its own but at the request of our soldiers’ and their complaints of the blatant disregard and trampling of the Constitution and the Military Code of Justice; blurring the lines between the separation of church and state. Every complaint is vetted by Mikey who was a JAG lawyer at the Air Force Academy for 10 years; worked in the West Wing under Ronald Reagan; and held positions in private practice.

 

Our military is secular – which includes those of other faiths or no belief system – and it must not advance one religion over another or denigrate another religion according to the Constitution, Supreme Court rulings and the Unified Code of Military Justice.

Let me give you a crash course in Civics 101 that your school might not have taught or you slept through it.

As defenders of the Constitution we fight for the separation of church and state.

“…but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” (Article I, III)

 

This means that from the President to Congress to the military – no one’s job is based on their religion.

 

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (Establishment Clause), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Free Exercise Clause).”(First Amendment)

 

The Establishment Clause means that you cannot favor one religion over another even though it is in the majority. This clause respects the RIGHTS of all religions. Our military is SECULAR and there are people of other faiths or no faith that don the uniform that love this country.

 

The Free Exercise Clause means that our soldiers are free to exercise any religion they want or no religion at all but cannot elevate one God above others.

 

“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320.

This is his second known use of the term “wall of separation,” here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter.

The wording of the original was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause.

 

Jefferson’s concept of “separation of church and state” first became a part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S.98 U.S. 145 (1878). In that case, the court examined the history of religious liberty in the US, determining that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, “The word ‘religion’ is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted.” The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the “separation” paragraph from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, “coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.

 

In 1878 “separation of church and state” became part of the Establishment Clause BY LAW.

 

The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.

 

Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test.

 

Government action violates the Establishment Clause unless it:
1. Has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose,
2. Does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion,
3. Does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion.

 

Parker v. Levy:

“This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society… While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. … The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it… Speech [to include religious speech] that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command.  If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected. (Emphasis added) Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 1974

The shirt broke both the Lemon Test and Parker v. Levy and is constitutionally unprotected.

As a Vietnam vet you relied on and obeyed your superior officers. We rely on the following military personnel for their expertise on religion in the military:

Board Members

Major William E. Barker – As well as overseeing JROTC operations as District Military Instructor for Albuquerque Public Schools, the 28th largest school district in the country, U.S. Marine Corps Major Barker is the Chairman of New Mexico’s 1st District Democrat Congresswoman Michelle Lujan-Grisham’s Academy Selection Team and was recently appointed to the Albuquerque Police Oversight Commission representing City Council District 9.

 

Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV – The last American official to confront Saddam Hussein before the 1990 Gulf War, he has had a 20-plus year career in Intl. relations, and held numerous senior government appointments, including Special Asst. to President Clinton and Sr. Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council.

 

Advisory Board Members (Past and present military personnel)

Edie Disler– PhD, Lt Col (Ret), is a 25 year veteran of the Air Force who served as an ICBM crewmember, an Executive Support Officer to the Secretary of Defense, a conventional arms control inspector, a speechwriter, and USAFA faculty professor.

 

Robert S. Dotson–Retired brigadier general.

 

Robert T. Herres– A Naval Academy graduate with a 36 year career in the United States Air Force, he also served a three-year assignment as Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the first to hold that position. (December 1, 1932 – July 24, 2008)

 

Kristen Leslie – An Assistant Professor of Pastoral Care and Counseling at Yale Divinity School and consultant to the United States Air Force Academy on religious matters.

 

Eagle Man, Ed McGaa – Is an enrolled Oglala Sioux tribal member, OST 15287. After serving in Korea, he earned an undergraduate degree from St. Johns University, MN. He then later rejoined the Marine Corps to become a fighter pilot.

 

Rev. MeLinda Morton – An ordained minister of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA). She is a former Chaplain in the United States Air Force, most recently serving at the United States Air Force Academy.

 

George Reed – A faculty member in the School of Leadership and Education Sciences at the University of San Diego. Before joining the faculty in 2007 he served for 27 years as a military police officer including six as the Director of Command and Leadership Studies at the U.S. Army War College.

 

AA “Tony” Verrengia  – A retired Air Force Brigadier General, He was a Master Navigator that served in air transport operations positions for many years.

 

John Whiteside – He is one of only a few military aviators to possess both Senior Command Air Force wings and aircraft carrier qualified Naval Aviator wings, in addition to having been awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for heroism in combat during Operation Desert Storm.

 

Lawrence Wilkerson – Distinguished Visiting Professor of Government and Public Policy at the College of William & Mary in Williamsburg, VA. His last position in government was as Secretary of State Colin Powell’s Chief of Staff (2002-05).

 

I will be forwarding your original email on to them and I’m sure Marine Corps Major Barker will be thrilled to hear from you.

 

We also have liaisons on almost every base in the world to which we send out an email blast of all incoming emails and their responses, to be dispersed to our soldiers, clients, volunteers and supporters in their respective areas.

 

You’re going to be famous but not in the way you though you would be.

 

Pastor Joan

MRFF Advisory Board Member


 

 

Hi  – (name withheld),

You’re right to be upset about the terrorist violence in Paris. I’m upset about it, too. So is everyone else associated with the MRFF. But the manner in which you are venting your anger is misdirected and wrong-headed.
As for who I am — I’m a USAF veteran and a lifelong Christian who supports the pro-Constitution stance of the MRFF.
When the MRFF challenged the clearly inappropriate T-shirt, it was not done on behalf of anyone who hates America or wishes to do us harm. Quite the contrary. We advocate on behalf of US military members of all manner of belief, including US servicemen and servicewomen who are Muslim.
You would do well to take a moment to wrap your mind around that fact — there are patriots fighting for our nation’s military today who are Muslim.
And you know what? Those patriots have a Constitutional right to live and work, and even to shop at the PX, without having their religious beliefs impugned by a juvenile, ignorant, and un-Constititional message within their military installation. Any message in that setting which disrespects the Constitutional rights of service members is damaging to unit cohesion.

If you refuse to accept that simple and unequivocal fact, then anything else I share with you is surely falling on deaf ears.

Still, I do need to mention one more thing. You know that phrase you mentioned, “Freedom From Religion”?  No, we did not invent it, and we’re not even the people who use it regularly. You know who does use it an awful lot? Religious people, more often than not a small percentage of our fellow Christians who have convinced themselves that their own “Freedom of Religion” is so sacrosanct that they should be allowed to impose it on others, whenever and wherever they want.
But our military, like our larger society, is pluralistic and comprised of many religious beliefs (including non-belief). Every American citizen and every US military member has an absolute right to the same “Freedom of Religion” that you and I expect for ourselves. That means we have a right not to have someone else’s beliefs imposed on us, and others have an equal right not to have our Christian beliefs imposed on them.  See how that works out for everyone? We ALL get to enjoy “Freedom of Religion.”

Maybe you’ll take a moment to reflect on what I’ve shared…. it might be time well spent.

Peace,
Mike Challman
Christian, USAF veteran, MRFF supporter

Nice thinking mike farrell, but when the shit hits the fan and your OPINION is like others because everyone has an asshole, it is great to be in a nation that I can express my self and blow off children like you.  Do you believe you are the only one with a board of directors?  Think again.

Laughing at liberals
(name withheld)

Dear (name withheld),
As before, I’m not at all sure what you mean. Lots of bravado and lots of cussing, but nothing of substance. You seem to have been frightened and angered by what happened in Paris, which is only natural, but you’ve chosen to generalize your response, express your anger at an entire religion by slurring its people and strike out at Mikey or the MRFF in general in a quite stupid way.

I’m not sure what you think you’ll accomplish with this kind of nonsense, but I suppose it somehow makes you think you’ll feel better.

You won’t.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)

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  1. Connie

    I thought my comments might be needed here to do battle with ignorance. Instead I read amazing responses filled with nifty facts.

    Never mind then. 😀

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