DAILY GLOBE (Minnesota) – Not Obama’s job to advance his faith

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  1. Yeshua Warrior

    I will only say this once. Obama is NOT a Christian!! He grew up in Kenya, attended madrasa’s and says that the nicest sound is the Islamic call to prayer. I know NO Christian who says that the Islamic call to prayer is beautiful.

  2. G

    Obama is a Christian and spent most of his childhood years in Hawaii.

  3. Yeshua Warrior

    G, there is no evidence in his life that he is a Christian, plain and simple. Scripture says that by their fruits you will know them, he does not show any evidence of fruit in his life that he knows and has accepted Christ.

  4. Mark Sebree

    YW,

    And what would you accept as evidence that Obama is a Christian? He has stated that he is a Christian, which is enough for most people. He has never stated that he is a Muslim. That is a hateful talking point used only by far right wing pundits who have nothing better to do than to lie to the gullible people who listen to them.

    Just because President Obama is of a different denomination than you does not mean that he is not a Christian. Just because he follow Jesus’s Great Commandment rather than the Great Commission does not make him any less of a Christian. The fact that he does not want try to impose his religious beliefs onto the country does not make him any less of a Christian, and does make him a better President and politician since he actually tries to understand and follow his oaths.

    Quite frankly, allowing for his position as the President of the USA and the constraints that puts on him, he is a better example of a Christian than you are since you are filled with hatred, bile, willful ignorance, obstinance, intolerance for others, contempt for just about everyone who is better informed than you, and a desire to impose your hateful beliefs onto everyone without any regard for their beliefs or the effect your beliefs would have on their lives.

    This means that it is a very good thing that you actually have no power over anyone except yourself. If you were in the military, you would likely either be brought up on charges, or you would have your career ruined by your actions towards your subordinates.

  5. G

    ” Scripture says that by their fruits you will know them, he does not show any evidence of fruit in his life that he knows and has accepted Christ.”

    Yeah, YW, and you have a lot of business people, Republicans, and right wing evangelists who pray to the lord on Sunday, but enjoy the fruits of ripping their fellow human beings on Monday and there is plenty evidence of them doing that.

  6. Angela Schweig

    YW, this is old, but it’s just for you:

    Mr. World went to church;
    He never missed a Sunday.
    Mr. World went to Hell
    For what he did on Monday.

    My points are: 1) stop sounding so worldly and judgmental
    2) You’re going to be condemned by your own mouth
    3) Barack and Michelle Obama are members of the United Church of Christ
    4) “G” is correct – just because Mr. Obama follows the Great Commandment rather than the Great Commission doesn’t make him a non-Christian; many HISTORIC MAINLINE Christian churches have never marched in lock step with the Evangelicals
    5) THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!! Mr. Obama’s registered birth certificate is available from the state of Hawai’i with the correct from and fee AND I HAVE SEEN IT; he was not born in Kenya
    6) Lastly, if you’re truly concerned about presidents’ birth places, Ted Cruz is from Calgary, Alberta, CANADA! There are several Constitutional law professors who have written at length about why he is automatically disqualified for the office of POTUS.

  7. jimbo

    President Obama’s religion is of no matter, this is a secular nation where one’s religion is important only to each individual. Of course those who try to impose their beliefs don’t like this, but if this nation is to remain free for all regardless of their religions it is a fact that must be ‘religiously’ relied upon. President Obama’s obligation remains only that the United States Constitution is the document that guides us in our conduct as citizens, and in that pursuit it seems he is doing the job he’s obligated to.

  8. Yeshua Warrior

    Dear Angela,

    I will admit that truly only God knows who is truly saved and born again, so I am wrong to quickly say that someone is not saved, however, Jesus did say that there will be certain visible qualities outwardly for someone who is truly saved inwardly. I just do not see any outward signs by Obama that he is truly saved inwardly.

    Secondly, if someone is truly saved, they would not be praising the work of Planned Parenthood and NARAL which is involved in the killing and taking the life of an unborn human being, which God describes as detestable in His Word. God Himself says “I place before you this day death or life, choose life!”

    Thirdly, both Obama and Michelle are members of the United Church of Christ, well that denomination is one of those denominations that has become apostate and heretical from the true teachings of scripture. Now how is that they are apostate, well, this denomination ordains openly gay clergy members as well as marry gay couples. They do not recognize that the Word of God is the authoritative and infallible words of God and inspired by the Holy Spirit. They are involved in the BDS (Boycott, Divestment, and Sanction) movement regarding Israel and are openly anti-semitic and anti-Israel! So because of these things, God will not give His favor or blessing to this denomination or churches in the denomination who opening tolerate sin like homosexuality and the Holy Spirit has already left that denomination, and because they are anti-Israel they also come under the curse of God according to Genesis 12:3! Those who remain in this denomination are willfully being deceived by Satan and are calling good evil, and evil good! Now you may say that I am judging, but Paul says in the NT, “are we not supposed to judge those who are inside the household of faith.?” This is a rhetorical question which is to be answered by Yes. We are to judge fellow believers inside the church and to correct them when they have strayed from the teachings of scripture. Scripture says that judgement starts with the household of God, so when God brings His judgement on the earth, He will start with those churches who have strayed and disobeyed the teachings of the Word and Christ!

    Finally, if Obama is truly saved, why did he bow before a Saudi prince, when scripture says we are to only bow our knee to Christ? Why does he welcome into the White House members of the Muslim Brotherhood, the sworn enemies of Israel and whose own charter calls for the complete annihilation of Israel and the Jewish people?!

    Obama has done everything to humiliate the prime minister of Israel Netanyahu, a head of state of our greatest ally in the Middle East.

    So, all I can say is that if Obama is truly saved, either he is completely ignorant of the teachings of scripture or willfully disobedient to the teachings of scripture.

  9. G

    “So, all I can say is that if Obama is truly saved, either he is completely ignorant of the teachings of scripture or willfully disobedient to the teachings of scripture.”

    Again YW, you have a lot of Republicans, business leaders, and religious leaders who are ignorant of the scripture or are willfully disobedient to the teachings of the scripture.

    “Finally, if Obama is truly saved, why did he bow before a Saudi prince, when scripture says we are to only bow our knee to Christ?”

    Well in England, people still have to bow their heads to the queen and various members of the royal family when they meet them.

    “So because of these things, God will not give His favor or blessing to this denomination or churches in the denomination who opening tolerate sin like homosexuality and the Holy Spirit has already left that denomination, and because they are anti-Israel they also come under the curse of God according to Genesis 12:3!”

    Did God actually say that to you YW?

    “We are to judge fellow believers inside the church and to correct them when they have strayed from the teachings of scripture. Scripture says that judgement starts with the household of God, so when God brings His judgement on the earth, He will start with those churches who have strayed and disobeyed the teachings of the Word and Christ!”

    Yeah YW, and who corrects the religious authorities when they stray from the teachings of the scriptures? Certainly, not us common folks since we are supposed to respect and obey religious figures. Why don’t you go to Wall Street and tried to bring all those crooks on Wall Street and the wealthy people back to the fold and see what kind of reaction you will get from them?

  10. G

    One more thing YW, the American worker has help increase the productivity and profits of Americna corporations and foreign corportiaons for the last 36 years but have not enjoy the fruits of their work in terms of better wages, better working conditions, better retirement systems, better medical care and/or free or affordable educations while all the money has gone to the wealthy class who have not done an honest thing to earn their fruits of labor.

  11. Yeshua Warrior

    G,

    So are you saying this is God’s fault in some way, if you are that is bad as the usual statement, blame it on the Jews or Israel, got to be their fault?

    All I can say G, is welcome to life and the way things are. I can be frustrated as you can in some ways, but there is nothing I can do about. Where I work the the higher ups make 6 and 7 figure salaries, while the rest of us live paycheck to paycheck, but yet God has always met my needs over the years, does not mean I live in a mansion or drive a super nice car and God never promised us an easy life by following Christ, He even said that in this world you will have tribulation… and thousand other Christians are in the same condition I am.

  12. G

    “So are you saying this is God’s fault in some way,”

    If people can praise God for the positive things, he has done, then he needs to take the blame for the bad things that happen. Can’t have it both ways.

    “but there is nothing I can do about.”

    Oh, yes you can. Get involved in activities to make workers lives better including your own. Maybe if so-called Christians like you spend as much time trying to make the world a better place instead of wasting your time trying to convert people, many people would convert to Christianity because they know it was a religion that took positive action for the betterment of mankind instead of being all mouth plus being a detriment to and working against mankind. You are a sorry excuse for a Christian let alone a human being.

    “God never promised us an easy life by following Christ, He even said that in this world you will have tribulation’ Yeah and all those people who follow Christ in trying to get better economic, political, and social rights got imprison or killed for their troubles because they dare to Biblical scriptures back to the wealthy people.

  13. G

    ” and thousand other Christians are in the same condition I am.”

    Yeah and you have thousand of American families living out on the streets. Many of them would not agree with your remark about having to suffer tribulations in the name of the Lord.

  14. G

    “if you are that is bad as the usual statement, blame it on the Jews or Israel, got to be their fault?”

    And you YW, are the same people that blame poor people and formerly middle-class people that it is their own fault that they are responsible for being poor, for losing their jobs and helping to cause the economic recessions and depressions of the world. when you damn well know they had no say about what was done at the corporate board of directors.

  15. Dennis Horvitz

    “Man’s capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man’s inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary.” Karl Paul Reinhold Niebuhr (June 21 1892 – June 1 1971), American Protestant theologian

    It’s people like you, Yeshua Warrior, who make secular democracy crucial.

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