4/25/16 MIKEY’s OPEN LETTER – What Bruce Springsteen Can Teach the U.S. Air Force Academy (Read at Daily Kos)

What Bruce Springsteen Can Teach the
U.S. Air Force Academy

An Open Letter to Senior United States
Air Force Academy Leadership

USAFA_Band

USAFA Concert Band

 

Dear Senior United States Air Force Academy (USAFA) Leadership,

Hey, I have a quick question for you all. What is it, do you imagine, that Bruce Springsteen, the National Basketball Association (NBA) and an ever-increasing host of artists, organizations and corporations understand about standing up to fundamentalist-Christian infused, LGBT prejudice and bigotry that YOU all simply do not?

Well, of course I am speaking about USAFA’s “Concert Band” performing last Thursday evening, April 21, 2016, at the fundamentalist Christian New Life Church (NLC) in Colorado Springs.

Just so you know, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) is representing 145 USAFA cadets, staff and faculty in their collective furious rage that you all enthusiastically allowed this concert to even take place. Seven of MRFF’s clients are LGBT. They are particularly aggrieved by your despicable actions here. Oh, and not that it matters, but 114 of MRFF’s clients self-identify as Christian faith practitioners.

Without going into the minute detail of your sad stupidity or willful deceit, (and it’s hard to decide which it is) the facts are the facts. The band’s own regulations quite clearly prohibit its participation “… in events…associated with religious or ideological movements..”. To argue that the infamously homophobic, proselytizing Prometheus NLC is NOT precisely THAT is disingenuous at best and just plain dishonest at worst. 
Indeed, the NLC actually fired the female security guard who heroically stopped a vicious attack at their church not long ago at the risk of her own life. Her “crime” and cause for termination; she is gay.

I guess by now you know that the official event brochure handed out by the NLC at this massively attended event even proudly announced that the USAFA Concert Band was “in partnership” with the NLC. “I-N   P-A-R-T-N-E-R-S-H-I-P”?!

Please let us know ALL about USAFA’s “partnership” with the NLC, would you please? Soon, very soon, MRFF will be providing you with “extra motivation” to so disclose these matters as our Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) demand will be arriving on your desks shortly.

Regarding the “non-responsive response” which USAFA gave to media inquiries about this outrage, it is MOST enlightening to note that USAFA claims that 3.2% of its band performances have been at churches since January of 2015 and then lists them. It is absolutely fascinating to note that, apparently, ZERO percent of the USAFA band’s concerts have been performed at other than exclusively CHRISTIAN houses of worship or CHRISTIAN private schools. Is it ACTUALLY possible that the famed USAFA Concert Band has NOT played at ANY Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, Native American, Sikh or any of the literal plethora of other minority faith worship centers or schools in that same 16 month time span? Further, has the famed USAFA Concert Band EVER performed at other than a Christian faith center or other than a Christian school? We’re all ears, tell us please!

Look, we all know that USAFA has a remarkably disgraceful and miserable record of ensuring First Amendment church-state separation civil rights. We also know all too well that, despite USAFA’s constant claim of universally supporting diversity and ensuring respect for all, it is the fundamentalist, evangelical Christian faith which USAFA never fails to elevate to “most beloved” status in every way it possibly can. Just look at USAFA’s wretched track record since February of 2004 when Mel Gibson’s “Passion of the Christ” movie debuted.

Don’t you get it, Lt. General Michelle Johnson and senior USAFA Staff? By having the USAFA band play “in partnership” at the NLC, you are only further exacerbating USAFA’s well-deserved reputation for fundamentalist Christian triumphalism, supremacy and primacy. Do you REALLY not see how having your band play at the NLC does PRECISELY that?

By performing at the NLC, USAFA doesn’t just PARTNER with the NLC, they seem to implicitly ENDORSE the NLC! How freaking hard is that for you to comprehend?

Let’s get real here, shall we? MRFF and its USAFA clients think you ALREADY understood that fact quite well indeed, just as Bruce Springsteen and the NBA and many others “understand” that if they perform in North Carolina they are, likewise, endorsing that state’s anti-LGBT, shameful legislation.  That’s “Shameful.”

That’s “Shameful” in every sense of that word.

Now THERE’S a word you just might understand as senior USAFA leaders. Why?  Because that’s EXACTLY what you all have proven yourselves to be in supporting the USAFA band’s “in partnership” Musical Pageant Spectacular, that included the traditional “Amazing Grace,” at the equally shameful NLC. By the way, our 145 USAFA MRFF clients aren’t seeing a lot of “grace” here, “amazing” or otherwise; especially the 7 who are LGBT.

Regarding that FOIA demand, prepare for incoming. This latest breach of the law by USAFA isn’t over and not by a long shot.

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80 Comments

  1. G

    Tell it like it is, Boss.

  2. Rev Bob

    Bruce Springstein cannot teach us jack! In fact he is and some other artists are nothing but hypocrites. He refuses to do a concert in North Carolina, yet in the past he has done a concert in Dubai, a Muslim country that kills homosexuals. He also concerts in other states that have the same bathroom bills so in my book I think they call that hypocrisy. If he boycotted playing in every state that has bathroom bills, he will not make any money.

    As for the NBA, they are just using bully tactics, if you don’t play our way, we are going to take our ball and go home! What I would like to see is Christian NBA players like Stephen Curry say, if you do not have the All-Star game in NC, we are not going to play in the game, we will boycott the game! Wow, what if fans started to boycott NBA games, there goes your revenue out the window.

    Did you know that as of today, over 500,000 people have signed the AFA pledge to boycott Target because of their bathroom policy. I calculated that, say if the average customer spent an average of $25.00 per sale, that comes out to 124 million 500 thousand in lost revenue, that will sure get their attention. We will bring Target to their knees financially, and can hear their lawyers drawing up bankruptcy protection papers now, lol! I have heard people who have already called Target requesting them to close their credit card from Target. I guess Walmart is going to make a killing now.

    I certainly hope the senior leadership tells Mikey to take his request and shove it!

    Let me ask, would there be just a big a stink if the AFA band played at the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem or at the Great Temple in Salt Lake City?

    Looking for Target employees to jump ship and look for another job or lose their job all because of the stupidity of the head leadership of Target.

    99% of the population are normal male and females, so why should we let the 1% of the population inconvenience the 99% on what bathroom they want to choose.

    This whole thing reminds me of the BDS (Boycott, Divest, and Sanction) movement regarding Israel with some recording artists canceling their concerts in Israel because of the “perceived” treatment of those poor little Palestinians there being abused by the big bad Israeli army, boo hoo!! Did you know that we have sent millions of tax payer dollars to the Palestinians there to help build their infrastructure, but huh, I see no new hospitals, schools, homes being built, but you know where all that money has gone to, to Hamas and the PA so that they can build terror tunnels into Israel from which to launch attacks on innocent Israel civilians. Bet you did not know that every Palestinian terrorist martyr’s family gets a lifetime check every month from Hamas and PA for killing Israeli Jews, and they get streets named after them in the West Bank and in Gaza, and guess where that money is coming from, you got it, the American taxpayer.

    If American musicians were so concerned about supporting the LBGT movement, they would want to do concerts in Tel Aviv, Israel, voted the most gay friendly city in the world!

    We will no longer allow corporations to bully us into submission into what they want!

    I think Target will soon learn their lesson and realize their plan for gender neutral bathrooms will back fire on them, while the boycott of Chick Fil-A a year or so ago, backfired, for in one day they had their greatest record sales all around the country as people stood in long lines around the building just to order food. Just goes to show you that God will bless those who honor His statutes in His Word, and curse those who do not.

    Target just may go the way of Circuit City and other stores who went out of business, Target it has been nice knowing you.

  3. Connie

    Rev Bob
    TL;DR

    Preacher man likes to
    Spew his hate disguised as love
    But we know he lies

  4. G

    Rev Bob, let companies like Target and Chick-F go out of business of the way they have been treating their workers and their customers. Remember how their customer data system got hack into? Companies like Target spend more time spending money on preventing workers’ right instead of spending it on constantly upgrading their computer security system.

    If companies like Target go out of business, then maybe our upcoming entrepreneurs came establish their own businesses without worrying about being crush by large companies like Walmart and Microsoft.

  5. G

    Yeah, and the ordinary Israelis citizen gets more money from the US taxpayer compare to the American citizen who doesn’t get hardly any money from his/her government = watch this video how much money goes to Israel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_MDC2Gty4I

  6. Rev Bob

    Connie,

    Since you are calling me a liar, why don’t you point out what I am lying about from above?

    How can I spew hate when I am saying what is fact and truth?

    By the way, I heard that a Target store yesterday somewhere in the nation was empty of any customers in the store. Now there are over 517,000 people who have pledged to boycott Target.

  7. Rev Bob

    Connie,
    I forgot to tell you the good news, most likely I will be teaching an AP elective course in the bible and Christianity at my daughters public high school next school year!

  8. Connie

    What part of too long
    Didn’t read do you not get
    Besides all of it?

    As for the lie comment, how could I know? You preach the same message every time you write here. Blah blah, something something which means ultimately your deity owns everything and we are the poopy heads for not recognizing your awesomeness because He was your deity first. Or words to that effect.

  9. G

    If the students are smart, they will avoid taking your class. If the hiring authorities are smart, they hopefully will not hire you.

  10. Rev Bob

    G,

    I have been offered the job already. I know the principal pretty well, he is a Christian as well. A good majority of the students at this school come from strong Christian homes.

  11. G

    Did you get the job because your Christian connection with the principal? If you did, then it doesn’t show that you got the job on merit and that having connections can help out you so you can’t tell people (such as street criminals, homeless people, long-term unemployed people ) to get a job when they have no connections compare to wealthy people (who are also white collar criminals) who can land a job because they have connections.

    Even strong Christian homes have their own sins that are hidden from view for years like Alabama governor Robert Bentley who had an affair even though he had a 50 year marriage with his wife or South Carolina Governor Marshall Mark” Sanford, Jr. who had an affair with a woman in Argentina.

  12. Mark Sebree

    Rev Bob,

    Most department stores are pretty empty during the week, especially during the day. The fact that it appeared to be “mostly empty” to you does not prove anything. Check again Memorial Day weekend.

    As far as your job at a public school. I can easily see you causing the school problems as an employee because you have no understanding of the difference between your private life and a public life as a employee of the government.

    Since the class you will be teaching is an AP class, it is implied that it is likely to be voluntary, which is probably the only reason that they were able to get it past the School Board and/or the Board of Education. However, while at school, you will NOT be allowed to proselytize to the students or staff. You MUST keep your class secular and scholarly. You CANNOT try to convert your students, or any other students in the school. You will probably have students who are gay/lesbian, Great Commandment Christians rather than Great Commandment Christians like you, and even non-christians. You will NOT be able to denigrate them or bad-mouth their religion or religious beliefs. And it is likely that you will be under greater scrutiny than the other teachers because you do not have a history of teaching, a history of teaching at a public school, or even an education degree.

    The fact that you got the job because you knew the principal show that the School Board is falling down on the job. It is actually called nepotism, aka “feather-bedding”.

    I foresee, based on your posting history, that you are likely to cause the school embarrassment and legal trouble, and you will either get fired or the school will get sued because of your actions and words while in the public sphere.

  13. G

    “South Carolina Governor Marshall Mark” Sanford, Jr. who had an affair with a woman in Argentina.”

    I meant to say that the governor had an affair with a woman in Argentina even though he was married.

  14. Rev Bob

    Mark,

    Yes I know all that and what the boundaries are, the only thing is that there is no board of education for this school since it is a small charter school and not a district public school. This belongs to a nation wide charter school system founded by a husband and wife who are Christians and based upon Christian principles, kind of like our nation was! This school is close to being a Christian school, there are several Christian teachers on staff as well as several of the athletic coaches are Christian as well who pray along with their athletes before competition but the prayers are student led.

    I think I go the job based upon merit, since I have a seminary degree in religion, my undergrad major was Christian Education with a minor in bible. I have three years of teaching and counseling at Christian schools all part of over 30 years of ministry experience of teaching scripture whether as a hospital chaplain, pro sports chaplain, victim crisis chaplain as well as stints at two churches as an associate pastor.

  15. G

    You think you got the job based on merit? Yeah, a many CEOs ran their companies into the ground and still got other jobs despite their terrible management record because they belong to the old boy network of CEOs.

    Does this nationwide Christian school get taxpayers’ money?

  16. Rev Bob

    G,

    This nationwide charter school system are not Christian schools, they are public, and yes they get taxpayers money, but not as much as the larger public school districts do, that is why at the beginning of each school year they put down a list of teacher supplies and ask the parents if they can help supply what the teachers need, otherwise it comes at their own expense to supply.

    Public charter schools are at the bottom of the federal money supply and support.

    The principal has full control of whom he hires as teachers and he usually goes out of state to find the best ones! The average age of the faculty is about 25!

  17. Rev Bob

    G, and Mark,

    This school is affiliated with the Cambridge International Exam program in relation to the University of Cambridge UK. The faculty teaches to prepare the students to take the Cambridge Exam for that subject matter near the end of the school year. In my daughters freshman year last year she took and passed the Cambridge exam for biology which means she is college ready in that subject. This year she will take her Cambridge exams in mathematics, history, chemistry and art!

  18. Connie

    Ah, Rev Bob, you are in for a treat! I have internet access and some time to kill. Here we go – Fisking for fun and profit. 😀

    You said:
    Bruce Springstein cannot teach us jack! In fact he is and some other artists are nothing but hypocrites. He refuses to do a concert in North Carolina, yet in the past he has done a concert in Dubai, a Muslim country that kills homosexuals. He also concerts in other states that have the same bathroom bills so in my book I think they call that hypocrisy. If he boycotted playing in every state that has bathroom bills, he will not make any money.

    My reply –
    Let’s start with your claim that Bruce played a concert in a state that already has a ‘bathroom bill’. You don’t offer any proof, we, the reading audience are supposed to take your word for it. See, I have an issue with that because you Rev, are less than reliable as a source of facts. If you can’t supply dates/times I will have to believe you are talking out of your ass.

    You said:
    “As for the NBA, they are just using bully tactics, if you don’t play our way, we are going to take our ball and go home! What I would like to see is Christian NBA players like Stephen Curry say, if you do not have the All-Star game in NC, we are not going to play in the game, we will boycott the game! Wow, what if fans started to boycott NBA games, there goes your revenue out the window.”

    My reply –
    You complain the NBA is using their clout to ensure fairness and then threaten to use your clout to boycott the NBA because you want people you deem as ‘less than’ to be treated as second class citizens? Um…. the cognitive dissonance is strong within you! The Mobius Strip of logic you used to write that should have given you a migraine. I know it gave me one!

    You said:
    “Did you know that as of today, over 500,000 people have signed the AFA pledge to boycott Target because of their bathroom policy. I calculated that, say if the average customer spent an average of $25.00 per sale, that comes out to 124 million 500 thousand in lost revenue, that will sure get their attention. We will bring Target to their knees financially, and can hear their lawyers drawing up bankruptcy protection papers now, lol! I have heard people who have already called Target requesting them to close their credit card from Target. I guess Walmart is going to make a killing now.

    My reply –
    Did you orgasm while writing that Christian punishment porn? I could feel you were close. Perhaps if you were to think of other companies going bankrupt because of your mighty mighty boycotts you will get there, eventually.

    You said:
    I certainly hope the senior leadership tells Mikey to take his request and shove it!

    My reply –
    You mean Mikey’s request that people follow the rules of the land, meaning the Constitution and Bill of Rights? Of course you would be against this, you traitor.

    You said:
    “Let me ask, would there be just a big a stink if the AFA band played at the Great Synagogue in Jerusalem or at the Great Temple in Salt Lake City?”

    My reply –
    That would be the issue here Rev Bob – the AFA Band isn’t playing any venues that aren’t Evangelical Christian. Did you even read the article? Because I’m getting the idea that you read the title of the post and made up the rest. Not the first time you’ve pulled this tactic.

    You said:
    “Looking for Target employees to jump ship and look for another job or lose their job all because of the stupidity of the head leadership of Target.”

    My reply –
    Back to Target. You really are like a snarky dog with a bone. Target is a private business that recognizes one thing – all our money is green so they might as well be inclusive. You know it’s all about the prophets/profits.

    You said:
    99% of the population are normal male and females, so why should we let the 1% of the population inconvenience the 99% on what bathroom they want to choose.

    My reply –
    Oh, the ignorance and willful stupidity of your comment. Everyone doesn’t fit within the binary system of gender or sexuality, they never have, but supressed themselves because of bigots like you. The antiquated systems of only male/female hetrosexuality are being shed like an old skin. Get with the program or move out of the way because we are here and we aren’t going away. I even bet you or someone in your family has already shared a bathroom with a transgender person and didn’t even know it. Think about it Rev Bob. 😀

    You said:
    “This whole thing reminds me of the BDS (Boycott, Divest, and Sanction) movement regarding Israel with some recording artists canceling their concerts in Israel because of the “perceived” treatment of those poor little Palestinians there being abused by the big bad Israeli army, boo hoo!! Did you know that we have sent millions of tax payer dollars to the Palestinians there to help build their infrastructure, but huh, I see no new hospitals, schools, homes being built, but you know where all that money has gone to, to Hamas and the PA so that they can build terror tunnels into Israel from which to launch attacks on innocent Israel civilians. Bet you did not know that every Palestinian terrorist martyr’s family gets a lifetime check every month from Hamas and PA for killing Israeli Jews, and they get streets named after them in the West Bank and in Gaza, and guess where that money is coming from, you got it, the American taxpayer.

    My reply –
    O_o
    Your lack of empathy for a population that is being bombed out of existence is noted. As for the rest of your claims – where is your proof? And no, Glenn Beck is not a viable source; neither is Alex Jones nor Dave Barton.

    You said:
    “If American musicians were so concerned about supporting the LBGT movement, they would want to do concerts in Tel Aviv, Israel, voted the most gay friendly city in the world!”

    My reply –
    I would imagine musicians in the USA would like everyone to be treated fairly. I can’t speak for anyone except myself so if I was a star I’d be using my influence to ensure where I lived was a place that welcomed everyone.

    You said:
    “We will no longer allow corporations to bully us into submission into what they want!”

    My reply –
    But it’s OK for you to bully whomever you want because Christianity. Isn’t that what you just wrote above? Are you confused? I know your writing confuses me. Logic is obviously not your friend.

    You said:
    “I think Target will soon learn their lesson and realize their plan for gender neutral bathrooms will back fire on them, while the boycott of Chick Fil-A a year or so ago, backfired, for in one day they had their greatest record sales all around the country as people stood in long lines around the building just to order food. Just goes to show you that God will bless those who honor His statutes in His Word, and curse those who do not.

    Target just may go the way of Circuit City and other stores who went out of business, Target it has been nice knowing you.

    My reply –
    Again with the Target issue. Third time in one sermon, so no, you haven’t orgasmed yet. Poor dear. It happens to everyone. Keep trying and everything will work out. 🙂

    So, how did you lie Rev Bob? I’ll let your God tell you when you meet with him after you die.

    Did you have fun? I know I did. (sitting in my loveseat, giggling or SIMLG)

  19. Rev Bob

    Connie,
    Since I am eating my lunch here at work I cannot respond to everything, but I will respond to the issue of Israel. Did you know that over 10,000 rockets were fired at civilian targets in the last Gaza War by Hamas, and guess where they get the money to buy these rockets from Syria and Iran, but the money that our government sends to be used to build their infrastructure. So, please tell me who is bombing who out of existence??? Hamas is not aiming at military targets inside Israel, they aim their rockets at civilian population areas to kill innocent Jewish citizens. Do you know that Israeli’s have only 15 seconds to get to an air raid shelter once the sirens go off!! Bet you did not know that children in Sderot have been diagnosed with PTSD with all the rockets that are fired at them. Israel has every right to defend their citizens , but they have never initiated any attacks, they have responded to being attacked, and they only attack the places where the rockets are being fired from. I just saw a video yesterday of new Israeli missile technology called the Delilah, which will never miss its target, got to love Jewish techonology. This missile once launched from a jet will seek out a threat and hit it with pin point accuracy to alleviate collateral damage.

    Well, need to get back to work, but will write more, and no I do not get my information from Barton, and the others, I get my information straight out of Israel. I am subscribed to 3-4 Israeli news agencies which I get emails from them every day, as well as newsletters from Messianic Jewish ministries inside Israel. One of the Messianic Ministries in Israel is led by a man and his wife who made aliyah and moved from the United States to Israel, all 3 of his daughters have or are serving in the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) the youngest is stationed on the Golan Heights near the border from Syria.

  20. Rev Bob

    Connie,
    Why don’t look at this video showing Palestinian children in Gaza do a play on killing Jews in Israel. This why Israel has a right to defend themselves!
    http://www.jns.org/jns-blog/2016/4/27/04g0oi7ycno0tq6lncf81gp34j6w8z#.VyEe6_krKUl=

  21. G

    “parents if they can help supply what the teachers need, otherwise it comes at their own expense to supply.”

    “Public charter schools are at the bottom of the federal money supply and support.”

    Rev Bob, public schools are at the bottom of the both state and federal money supply and support and many teachers at the public schools pay for school supplies for many of their students, so my heart doesn’t bleed for these charter schools. Why as a taxpayer should I pay for someone attending a charter school considering the fact that you don’t support free/affordable education at the university level?

    The people of Palestine are also suffering from PSTD and the American people in places like Chicago are suffering from PSTD. http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/neighborhoods-poverty-violence-trauma-stress-ptsd-children/Content?oid=14643402

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/12/31/chicago-prisoners-suffering-ptsd-from-gang-violence/

    http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/3/ptsd-mental-healthgunviolencetrauma.html

    “the Delilah, which will never miss its target, got to love Jewish technology. This missile once launched from a jet will seek out a threat and hit it with pinpoint accuracy to alleviate collateral damage.”

    No matter how precise a weapon is, you will have other people in the area get killed or wounded if they are within the missile’s destructive power. Remember when they stated that all the smart bombs in the 1990s and the drones of today will make surgical , clean strikes. Well, that has not worked out. Drones have killed more innocent people than the people they were supposed to kill.

    Why are you dragging your daughter regarding charter school?

  22. Connie

    Rev Bob – the only reason you are so hot for Israel is the ‘chosen’ people need to be standing exactly where you need them in order for the prophesy in Revelations to come true.

    You are so busy preparing for the end of all things you are missing life in the here/now.

    To all – regarding my fisk above. I did my best and to my knowledge my best is not good enough. I’d give it a C.maybe C+ because the orgasm language was funny. Still makes me laugh but where I thought I was using logic I was using Connie speak which makes sense to no one but me. My apologies.

  23. G

    “The principal has full control of whom he hires as teachers and he usually goes out of state to find the best ones! The average age of the faculty is about 25!”

    If the average age of the faculty is 25, you wonder how long will those young teachers will stay because they don’t have a union, no tenure, low pay, no support from the administration, pressure to do score testing, etc. Find the best ones? Most young teachers leave after five years due to the conditions I have mentioned and what about finding the best-experienced, older teachers? BTW, how are you going to teach math, science, biology, chemistry, etc., if the Bible will be the main book to teach those things? Just remember the Arabs with their Islamic culture gave us our present day Arabic numerals. Try do adding, subtracting, multiplying, and dividing using Roman numbers.

  24. Rev Bob

    Connie-” the only reason you are so hot for Israel is the ‘chosen’ people need to be standing exactly where you need them in order for the prophesy in Revelations to come true.”

    You know how many times I have heard that from anti-Zionists, all the time and it is totally false. The reason that Christian Zionists like myself are so hot for Israel is because God has placed a love in our hearts for Israel and His people. I never had a love for Israel and the Jewish people until I came back from my first trip there in 1972!

    Also, God has said in HIs Word that He will bring His people back from the four corners of the earth from which he sent them and return them to their own country which started in 1948! Christians have had nothing to do with the Jews returning to Israel, it is all God, He is drawing his people back to the land from which they were scattered hundreds of years ago. The only Christians are doing today is giving money to help with the cost of airfare to bring the Jewish people back to their own land. Besides, scripture also says that Christ will not return until they are back in the land and they cry out “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord” meaning they will finally recognize that Jesus or Yeshua is their only Messiah!

    Also, Psalm 122:6 commands us to “pray for the peace of Jerusalem” and may they prosper who love thee! Jerusalem has always been the eternal capital of Israel, the only Jewish nation on earth!!

    And G complains that we give Israel so much money, well I be he has not heard that they have bought 35 F-35 fighter jets at a cost of $118 million each. Also, why we give Israel money is because 90% of their budget has to go for military and defense. Many people do not even realize that the nation of Israel is not larger than the state of New Jersey, and they are surrounded by some 10 or more Muslim nations all hell bent on wiping them off the face of the earth. I think that is justifies us giving Israel money. Besides, how much money do we give yearly to Saudi Arabia for oil???

    Next posting I will give the true history of the so called Palestinian people that never existed before 1964 and who are a figment of their own imagination!

  25. Rev Bob

    I am happy to read yesterday that one of my alma maters will not have to deal with any bathroom issues on their campus as they have decided to ban all transgender students from attending there, because it would violate the colleges moral code and stance that God only created man and woman!

  26. John Schuster

    Rev Bob – How dare you speak of moral code?!

    I am an atheist and am here to tell you that the Bible is a terrible source for moral guidance.

    The Bible does not condemn slavery – IT GIVES INSTRUCTIONS.

    The Bible is a bad source for moral guidance.

    That is just ONE example.

  27. Rev Bob

    John,

    Maybe you really have not read the bible correctly! Those who practiced slavery wrongly interrupted the scriptures. Did you know that it was Christians who helped get slavery abolished during the Civil War. Did you also know that is was a Christian named William Wilberforce who lead the way and got slavery abolished in Colonial England. Did you know that there is a private all black university here in the States named after him – Wilberforce University. Interesting that an all black private university would be named after a white man!!

    Maybe you did not know that the bible speaks negatively of pre-marital sex, extra-marital sex, beastiality, abortion, I would say those are pretty good moral things not do to!!

    After you have read through the entire bible then come back and we will talk.

    If you read the Old Testament you will see that there was slavery only while the Israelites were in the desert during the Mosaic law, once they were in the promised land, it stopped. Also, the slaves during the Mosaic Law era were to be released after 7 years, and if the slave wanted to say with their master, then their ear would be pierced with an awl signifying that I want to stay with my master for the rest of my life.

    Do you see Jews practicing slavery today, NO! Do you see Christians practicing slavery today, NO! Guess who is practicing slavery today, radical Muslims, they are taking girls and women as their sex slaves, but nobody is speaking out against that are they??? I have yet to hear of one feminist today shouting out against the treatment of women in the middle east!! Guess who is leading the way against sex trafficking today, you got it Christians. There is one Christian ministry today that specializes in in rescuing women and girls who are being sex trafficed and by force if need be!

    John, can you tell me of any atheists or atheist organizations that are seeking to rescue women from sex slavery, have convoy trucks of food being sent to hungry people in the US and overseas, who provided crisis counseling and support after 9/11 or are down in Ecuador working with earthquake victims right now?

  28. G

    “Also, why we give Israel money is because 90% of their budget has to go for military and defense. Many people do not even realize that the nation of Israel is not larger than the state of New Jersey, and they are surrounded by some 10 or more Muslim nations all hell bent on wiping them off the face of the earth. I think that is justifies us giving Israel money. Besides, how much money do we give yearly to Saudi Arabia for oil???”

    Rev Bob, we all know about the size of Israel and what countries surround it. We not only buy oil from Saudi Arabia but from other countries like Venezuela and Iraq. If we had all the oil in the world, we would not be importing it. Of course, if we had invested in electric/solar industries after the Yom Kupper War in 1973, we would have solar/electric cars, trains, buses. etc. We need to have charity in our own country and spend money on it for things like transportation, education, affordable/free education, etc.

    If Israel can’t pay for their own defense, then that is tough luck. Didn’t you said that Israel won its wars because they have God on their side, so why do they need our money. Ain’t people told to put faith in God when they are having troubles?

  29. John Schuster

    Rev Bob,

    I read the text perfectly fine.

    Your dogma will be used against you. If you tout the Bible as a source of moral guidance then you have lost. Point, set, and match.

    Bob – you just can’t run away from the horrible things your “God” has done – according to the dogma you just love.

    You went on and on for several more paragraphs which reflects just how nervous this discussion makes you.

    Your best bet is to quit now.

  30. G

    No, Rev Bob, the Zionists planned their return back to Israel during the First World War and the 1920s. God had nothing to do with it; otherwise, would he had let the Babylonian and the Romans send the Jews into exile in the first place? Read the book Ethnic Cleansing by Mr. Pappe. In addition, it is the American taxpayer sending the money to Israel not the individual Christians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu_1l08oLac

  31. G

    Rev Bob, many Christians do suppose slavery with the atrocious labor conditions in the textile industries in places like the Mariana Islands and Bangladesh or support the sex slave trade by engaging in the transporting of it, having illegal places to do it or being customers for it or helping to launder the money off it.

  32. Rev Bob

    For all those anti-Zionists out there why don’t you read this non revisionist version of Israel’s history – https://www.standwithus.com/booklets/il101/#

  33. Rev Bob

    John,

    Okay, I have this tripe before from people like you, let’s blame everything on God now. What horrible things has God done???

    So, how will my dogma be used against me, I am really shaking in my boots over this! 🙂

    Yes, the bible has moral guidance, something atheists do not have, for you to be moral their must be a law giver and author of morality, it just does not exist in a vacuum.

  34. Rev Bob

    G, – many Christians do suppose slavery with the atrocious labor conditions in the textile industries in places like the Mariana Islands and Bangladesh or support the sex slave trade by engaging in the transporting of it, having illegal places to do it or being customers for it or helping to launder the money off it.

    I am really beginning to think G that you are not playing with a full deck upstairs and are one frie short of a happy meal!

  35. Rev Bob

    G,

    With Jews coming back to the land God had everything to do with it. You said that they were planning to come back during the WWI and the 20’s. Well, then that would be a fulfillment of OT prophecy, for Isaiah, Jeremiah and Zechariah all prophesied over 2,000 years before then that God will bring His people back to their own land.

    You mentioned the two exiles, well it was God who exiled them for their disobedience to HIm, but like I said, He said that He would bring them back to their own land in unbelief. Prophecy also states that He would bring them back from the far north, what is far north of Israel, but Russia. What happened after Reagan told Gorbachov to tear down the wall, that opened up a flood of Russian Jews to move to Israel! Thousands of Jews are coming from France and all over Europe. You have Ethopian Jews who are moving to Israel and they recently found one of the lost tribes of Israel in Ethiopia and they are all now back in Israel.

    Yes, present day Israel is pretty much secular, but now there are over 10,000 Messianic Jews or Jewish believers in Jesus in Israel and Messianic congregations are springing up all over Israel, and you have Jews sharing with other Jews about their Messiah Yeshua and converting them to Messianic Judaism which is what Jesus taught.

  36. Connie

    Not sure if this will post – I’m on my phone.

    Rev Bob, you said the bible is against abortion. Citations or you made it up.

    I say this because better minds than mine read through cover to cover and found several mentions advocating bitter water which caused an abortion but nothing saying they were prohibited.

    By the way – ‘Thou shall not commit murder’ doesn’t count as the bible also determines when a fetus is considered a baby, and conception is not it.

  37. Rev Bob

    You give me a chapter and verse Connie that says when a fetus is considered a baby, but you can’t!

  38. Rev Bob

    My kind of woman – Says she will be packing when she uses the ladies room at Target!

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/christian-lawyer-says-shes-taking-glock-to-target-ladies-room-it-identifies-as-my-bodyguard/

  39. Connie

    Just like Rev Bob – deflect to the power of infinity and beyond.

    Genesis 2:7 is clearest – Then the Lord God formed a man[c] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    This means life begins once a person takes their first breath or am I taking the verse “out of context”? That is your usual defense against anyone who has read the bible and chooses to not believe as you do.

    I showed my work. How about you show yours?

  40. G

    “I am really beginning to think G that you are not playing with a full deck upstairs and are one frie short of a happy meal!”

    I know that you have more than a few screws loose in your head and that rational, logical thought and reasoning is not part of a Christian educational upbringing.

  41. Rev Bob

    Connie, here you go

    God speaks very clearly in the Bible on the value of unborn children. God’s Word says that He personally made each one of us, and has a plan for each life:

    Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.
    —Jeremiah 1:5

    Even before I was born, God had chosen me to be His.
    —Galatians 1:15

    For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb… Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.
    —Psalm 139:13, 16

    Your hands shaped me and made me… Did You not clothe me with skin and flesh and knit me together with bones and sinews? You gave me life.
    —Job 10:8-12

    This is what the Lord says—He who made you, who formed you in the womb
    —Isaiah 44:2

    Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One form us both within our mothers?
    —Job 31:15

    Because man is made in God’s own image (Genesis 1:27), each life is of great value to God:

    Children are a gift from God.
    —Psalm 127:3

    He even calls our children His own:

    You took your sons and daughters whom you bore to Me and sacrificed them… You slaughtered My children.
    —Ezekiel 16:20,21

    The Bible says of our Creator,

    In His hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of every human being
    —Job 12:10

    God, the giver of life, commands us not to take the life of an innocent person:

    Do not shed innocent blood.
    —Jeremiah 7:6

    Cursed is the man who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person
    —Deuteronomy 27:25

    You shall not murder.
    —Exodus 20:13

    Taking the life of the unborn is clearly murder—

    He didn’t kill me in the womb, with my mother as my grave.
    —Jeremiah 20:17

    —and God vowed to punish those who…

    ripped open the women with child
    —Amos 1:13

    The unborn child was granted equal protection in the law; if he lost his life, the one who caused his death must lose his own life:

    If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman, and she gives birth prematurely, but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined …if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life.
    —Exodus 21:22,23

    Life is a gift created by God, and is not to be taken away by abortion. God is “pro-choice,” but He tells us clearly the only acceptable choice to make:

    I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live
    —Deuteronomy 30:19

    Yes you did misinterpret the meaning of that verse. What the verse is saying is that God created us out of nothing or dust and he is the author of life by blowing his spirit within us.

  42. Connie

    Rev Bob – you said: “I have yet to hear of one feminist today shouting out against the treatment of women in the middle east!! Guess who is leading the way against sex trafficking today, you got it Christians. There is one Christian ministry today that specializes in in rescuing women and girls who are being sex trafficed and by force if need be!”

    Another fine example of Rev Bob’s self endorsing news bubble. No one does good but his faith. No one helps anyone except those of his faith.

    This is my opinion – to which I’m entitled Rev Bob – but I believe he sees himself as the hero in a story where the rest of us humans are the enemy. It is too bad he is really the side villain who ensures real evil fails; sort of like Grima Wormtongue – if you know who I’m talking about.

    Seriously – no one is protesting how women are being treated around the world? Where have you been Rev Bob? Under a rock?

  43. Connie

    Nothing you posted says when life begins. In fact several of your passages talks about how God ‘knows’ the person while they are still spirit.

    If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman, and she gives birth prematurely, but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined …if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life.
    —Exodus 21:22,23

    Ah this phrase – you know the loss of the mother was treated as murder and the loss of the fetus was treated as property. But then you know best////////////////////

  44. G

    “With Jews coming back to the land God had everything to do with it. You said that they were planning to come back during the WWI and the 20’s. Well, then that would be a fulfillment of OT prophecy, for Isaiah, Jeremiah and Zechariah all prophesied over 2,000 years before then that God will bring His people back to their own land.”

    Where does that it was prophesied in the Bible, Rev Bob? If you had read the book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, the Zionists started the planning in the First World War and the 1920s. They did not do the planning in the 19th century, the 18th century or all the earlier centuries.

    “well it was God who exiled them for their disobedience to HIm, but like I said, He said that He would bring them back to their own land in unbelief.”

    What did the Jews do to God to get them exiled considering the fact that the Babylonians and the Romans had their own reasons for exiling the Jews? Seems to me, that God could have exiled them without the Romans and Babylonians doing his dirty work for him since God is all powerful.

    “What happened after Reagan told Gorbachov to tear down the wall, that opened up a flood of Russian Jews to move to Israel! Thousands of Jews are coming from France and all over Europe. You have Ethopian Jews who are moving to Israel and they recently found one of the lost tribes of Israel in Ethiopia and they are all now back in Israel.”

    If I recalled correctly, thousands of Russian Jews left Russia during the late 1970s before Reagan came into office. BTW, you have Ethiopian Jews facing discrimination in Israel.

  45. Connie

    Rev Bob, you said: “God speaks very clearly in the Bible on the value of unborn children. God’s Word says that He personally made each one of us, and has a plan for each life:”

    All of your verses talk about the value of life, not when it starts. If I was giving you a grade I’d have to say D. You found information very quickly – did you copy paste? I thought you were scornful of such practices. You slam Pastor Joan for it all the time so I’m just wondering….

    The assignment is not the value, it is the moment life begins on this physical plane. Spiritual is not physical. I should not have to explain that to you preacher man.

  46. G

    Children are a gift from God.
    —Psalm 127:3

    God, the giver of life, commands us not to take the life of an innocent person:

    Do not shed innocent blood.
    —Jeremiah 7:6

    Cursed is the man who accepts a bribe to kill an innocent person
    —Deuteronomy 27:25

    Right wing evangelists and conservatives sure don’t seem to view children as a gift from God when it comes to giving kids a free college education, free medical care, good paying job and living conditions.

    All those Biblical scriptures need to apply to people in the HMO business (including religious ones) who denied free/affordable medical care to the 45,000 people who die every year from the lack of affordable medical care.

  47. Connie

    G, you said: “All those Biblical scriptures need to apply to people in the HMO business (including religious ones) who denied free/affordable medical care to the 45,000 people who die every year from the lack of affordable medical care.”

    This is a fact. 🙂

  48. Connie

    Posted April 28, 2016 at 5:10 PM by RevHolYesh aka Rev Bob

    Do not shed innocent blood.
    —Jeremiah 7:6

    To understand the “context” of 7:6 I’ve included verses five and seven. It states:

    5 – For if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly practice justice between a man and his neighbor,
    6 – if you do not oppress the alien, the orphan, or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, nor walk after other gods to your own ruin,
    7 – then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers forever and ever.…

    Kind of changes the whole meaning, doesn’t it? If you are misleading others on this verse, what else are you misleading them on Rev Bob?

  49. G

    Thanks Connie, and I might add that there is no statute of limitations when it comes to murder so I like to see how religious HMO CEOs tried to justify their decisions to commit murder when they meet God (if he exists).

  50. G

    Do not shed innocent blood.
    —Jeremiah 7:6

    To understand the “context” of 7:6 I’ve included verses five and seven. It states:

    5 – For if you truly amend your ways and your deeds, if you truly practice justice between a man and his neighbor,
    6 – if you do not oppress the alien, the orphan, or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, nor walk after other gods to your own ruin,
    7 – then I will let you dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers forever and ever.…

    Kind of changes the whole meaning, doesn’t it? If you are misleading others on this verse, what else are you misleading them on Rev Bob?

    Well done Connie.

    Funny how Rev Bob’s twisted the Bible scriptures considering the fact that he got a degree in religion plus all his years of teaching Christianity in his various jobs. Look at what he said about his degree and experience “I have a seminary degree in religion, my undergrad major was Christian Education with a minor in bible. I have three years of teaching and counseling at Christian schools all part of over 30 years of ministry experience of teaching scripture whether as a hospital chaplain, pro sports chaplain, victim crisis chaplain as well as stints at two churches as an associate pastor.”

    I guess that Rev Bob doesn’t believe that looking at the facts and living with the truth will set him free.

  51. Connie

    And just like that my internets is gone. Ah well, I had a good thirty or so minutes to do my research.

    On my phone so this will be my last post tonight. Thanks G for the good words. They are the ‘wind beneath my sails’. Peace.

  52. G

    Connie, you said

    “Rev Bob, you said: “God speaks very clearly in the Bible on the value of unborn children. God’s Word says that He personally made each one of us, and has a plan for each life:”

    All of your verses talk about the value of life, not when it starts. If I was giving you a grade I’d have to say D. You found information very quickly – did you copy paste? I thought you were scornful of such practices. You slam Pastor Joan for it all the time so I’m just wondering…

    I love what you said Connie, considering the fact that people like Rev Bob stated that God has a plan for us; however, people like Rev Bob are unable to explain what was God’s plan for those babies who die before, during, or shortly after childbirth despite the fact that the Christianity has been around for more than 2,000 years and should have had those answers by now.

  53. Rev Bob

    G,
    The only thing that book on ethnic cleansing is good for is to use it as toilet paper to wipe my butt with it. The idea that Israel is ethnic cleansing the Palestinians is total crap and a lie, with no proof of it! First, how can you ethnic cleanse Palestinians when they have never existed in the first place and never will exist. The term Palestinian did not come into existence until Yasser Arafat coined the term in 1964, and even he was not Palestinian, he was a Jordanian Arab before that.

  54. John Schuster

    Rev Bob,

    So you are calling your own bible “tripe”?

    Good enough.

    I’ll END HERE for now that the bible is a terrible source for moral guidance.

    Any doctrine that supports slavery – the bible in particular – is evil.

    THAT, is using your own dogma against you.

    Go ahead and spew more nonsense, but I probably won’t reply.

  55. G

    Rev Bob, read the book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Dr. Pappe if you got the guts to do so – which you don’t.

    The Bible does support slavery: https://www.openbible.info/topics/slavery.

    Connie sure ripe you apart on your knowledge of the Bible or rather the lack of it.

  56. G

    Rev Bob, the Jews did ethnic cleansing before: https://www.openbible.info/topics/ethnic_cleansing

  57. Rev Bob

    Have you heard the good news? Over one million have signed the pledge to boycott Target and they have lost over 1.5 billion now in stock. What a great day this is!

  58. Rev Bob

    G,

    Watch these two brief videos and learn the non revisionist history of the Palestinian people!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCBKhwucSw4
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY0gDrvSqnk

    So, how can the Israeli’s be ethnically cleansing a people who have never existed before??

  59. Rev Bob

    G,

    More for you to read – WHY DID GOD TELL THE JEWS TO KILL THE CANAANITES?
    http://www.denisonforum.org/faith-questions/21-bible/51-why-did-god-tell-the-jews-to-kill-the-canaanites

    Why did God command the extermination / genocide of the Canaanites, women and children included?
    http://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html

  60. John Schuster

    Rev Bob,

    I see you are still pushing your 1000 year old mythology.

    I say again, the Bible is a terrible source for moral guidance since it endorses slavery.

    Your dogma is useful to show how ignorant are.

    John Schuster

  61. Rev Bob

    Hey G,
    Here is your hero Bernie Sanders, do what you hate CEO’s for.

    BERNIE SANDERS LIVES HIGH ON THE HOG, FLIES PRIVATE JETS WHILE FIRING STAFF – http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/262666/bernie-sanders-lives-high-hog-flies-private-jets-daniel-greenfield

  62. Rev Bob

    John,
    What mythology, archaeologists in Israel almost weekly make discoveries that prove the bible is true and accurate.

  63. John Schuster

    Rev Bob,

    You are wrong again.

    The most important and recent archaeological discovery was that the so-called “Old Testament” was also mythical because camels were “written in” the ancient myth in the testament. Turns out, the camels were NOT there at the time said.

    Game, set, and match.

    But more importantly, you keep avoiding the slavery issue leading to the direct conclusion regarding your immorality.

    In a word, you suck.

    Atheists have none of your dogma and are morally superior.

    Stop touting ancient myth as a source of guidance about ANYTHING. But especially not about morality.

    For YOU to continue this effort show YOU are also evil.

    There. I said it.

  64. Rev Bob

    John,
    You are so wrong about the Old Testament.
    I will put my morality against yours any day of the week dude.

    If the bible is a myth, how come archaeologists found a coin recently in Jerusalem with the name Pontius Pilate on it, remember that name, the person who gave the order to have Christ crucified. Oh yeah, they also found the city of Gath, where Goliath was from, remember that story. They also found the City of David mentioned in scripture. They also found the apostle Peter’s house. They have also found the pool of Siloam mentioned in the NT. They also found a coin with the impression of King Hezikiah, one of the kings of Israel on it.

    Maybe you should read this about camels – http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/february-web-only/latest-challenge-bible-accuracy-abraham-anachronistic-camel.html

  65. G

    What does Bernie Sanders have to do with what we arguing right now?

    Just because they found a Roman coin with Pilate’s head doesn’t prove that Christ exists. Have they found any Roman death certificate with Christ’s name on it? Goliath, King Hezikiah, and David were real people, Christ was not.

    There is nothing in those Canaanites links justifying God’s decision to wipe the Canaanites. All those links say is to put your faith and trust in God’s decisions. Well that kind of statement by a Christian has no logical, rational thought and reason to support it.

    We have no logical, historical explanations of why the Jews were in Egypt in the first place. Did they do something wrong that put them in Egypt in the first place? Was it a drought that sent them to Egypt or being expelled by a foreign invader? If God didn’t want his people to leave Israel, then why he didn’t help keep them there in the first place? Didn’t you say that God was on the side of the Israelites?

    If God didn’t like the Canaanites in the first place, then he should have helped convert them to worshipping him. God killing the Canaanites in order to prevent a future greater evil from occurring? Yeah, well that didn’t stop the rise of evil people like Adolf Hitler, the robber barons from the 19th century to the 21st century.

    God didn’t like the Canaanites’ gods? Well, people have been worshipping many gods for centuries, so what makes this god so different? If God didn’t like the Greeks, Persians, Romans, and everyone else all over the world worshiping their gods, then why didn’t he put a stop to it in the first place?

    “What mythology, archaeologists in Israel almost weekly make discoveries that prove the bible is true and accurate.”

    If that was true, all of Israel would be one huge archaeological site which meant that the country would be shut down because nothing could get done because of all the pits, trenches, holes, etc., all over the place.

    No Rev Bob. You are wrong about Old Testament and probably everything else, in the Bible considering how you twisted the Biblical scriptures and Connie called you out, so your have no morality let alone credibility.

  66. G

    “So, how can the Israeli’s be ethnically cleansing a people who have never existed before??”

    They existed all right, only the names change. Look at how the names of people change in Europe, like the Germans, the French, the British, Italians, Irish, Greeks, etc., throughout the centuries.

  67. John Schuster

    Rev Bob,

    Yes. The Bible is a composite myth. The “New Testament” books were written by the Flavians of ancient Rome circa year 80 of the Common Era.

    And yes, despite what you say, the recent archeology shows the “Old Testament” is also mythical.

    We’ve already been comparing morals and yours are already shown to be quite defective. You support dogma which supports slavery. Game set and match.

    Your persistence shows your force. Unfortunately since you are evil, you are a force of evil.

    You heard me.

  68. Rev Bob

    John,
    I am not a force of evil, since it is the Lord God I serve! When I accepted Christ as my Savior I was delivered from the world of darkness and brought into the kingdom of light!

    I pity you John, you have been so deceived by Satan and he is leading you down a path to eternal destruction!

  69. Connie

    What name are we talking about? Satan, lucifer, teller of lies?
    Light Bringer, most beautiful,
    Lord of the Flies?

    Rev Bob doesn’t want to face we are all dark, all light. It is the side we feed that controls our story. I wish I could make him see that the reason we have the Constitution and Bill of Rights is he has the right to his view just as I and everyone else on the planet have the right to mine. We agree as adults to obey protocols because we know where we’ve been and we won’t go back again.

  70. Connie

    Oh for the love of Pete!!!!

    I said everyone else on the planet have the right to mine.

    Sigh no that’s not right even as I let go my thoughts of world domination. Evil giggles.

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. They are not entitled to act upon it. I’m a shield maiden to a warrior of Thor. Do you really believe certain people are still walking because I don’t care? No, I follow a code.

    Lying by omission is still a lie. Just ask the Fae.

  71. John Schuster

    Rev Bob,

    You ARE indeed evil. I laid that out. And you are a strong-willed force.

    So you are indeed a force of evil.

    You are a brain-dead zombie when it comes to the subject of morality.

    You know nothing.

    John Schuster

  72. John Schuster

    Rev Bob,

    Just to review – Your dogma supports slavery and you support your dogma. THAT is why you are evil.

    The rest is obvious.

    As for me being deceived by your imaginary friend, in a word “no”.

  73. Rev Bob

    John,

    Plain and simple the bible calls you a “fool” for believing there is no God. Can you live with that?

    Oh, last time I checked, “brain dead zombies” do not have 3 earned college degrees!

  74. Rev Bob

    Update on Target!

    Their stock as tanked, and they have lost over 2.5 billion dollars in stock revenue along with all the money they are losing since over 1 million conservatives have pledged that they will boycott Target stores.

    I wonder when Target will cave in and realize the common sense of biological men use men’s rooms and biological women use women’s rooms, now what is so hard about that?

    We have been doing that for how many years now?? As the old saying goes, “if it aint’t broke, then don’t fix it.”

  75. Connie

    Preacher man, Oh, I’m sure Target will survive. My sources say they are doing fine with no blanketed ‘sell’ orders going out. In fact many people I know are making a point to shop there because it ticks off the Evangelicals.

    So – do I give Rev Bob the benefit of the doubt when he repeats information that is untrue or pity him because he found the one story that confirms his bias so he uses that to prove he did his research?

    What to do, what to do?

    PS – a college degree is only as good as the school. Just saying.

  76. Rev Bob

    Well my schools are top notch and ranked pretty high in the country!! The education I received is better than you would get at say USC or Harvard!!

  77. G

    ‘Well my schools are top notch and ranked pretty high in the country!! The education I received is better than you would get at say USC or Harvard!!”

    Just because a school is top notch doesn’t tell whether the student will be enlightened by it or be enslaved by it. Look at all those top-notch students who sank the world economy in 1929, in the1990s, in 1987, and in 2008 because they were indoctrinated at the MBA business school programs that an unregulated economy is the best economy for everyone.

    “We have been doing that for how many years now?? As the old saying goes, “if it aint’t broke, then don’t fix it.””

    We had a good economy until Ronald Reagan deregulate it and it has been broken for the last 16 years not to mention, you had all these guys with their business degrees who think that they knew what was best for their companies but ran them into the ground and never learn anything wiser from their experience. To me that makes them brain dead zombies whether they have one or more college degrees..

  78. John Schuster

    Rev Bob,

    I can live with you calling me a fool.

    You remain a force for evil.

    Can you live with that?

    And really, why do you support slavery?

    Prove you are not a moral zombie and explain that!

  79. G

    Rev Bob, explain we have slave like conditions in the Mariana Islands by American and foreign companies even though we fought the Axis powers: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/18/world/made-usa-hard-labor-pacific-island-special-report-saipan-sweatshops-are-no.html?pagewanted=all

    You need to read the book Slavery by Another Name about the semi-slavery of Afro-American that occurred after the Civil War.

  80. G Monstor

    Rev Bob
    Why u be on here crashing the Jesus hating party. God is pretty powerful man He don’t need you to defend Him. And I’m pretty sure no atheist or person who hates Jesus as much as these people do has ever once in the history of earth been converted by a troll on the internet arguing with them about nonsense. So u not here to help them – u here to show how smart you are by repeating what you just read on the internet? In all your posts I haven’t even heard the gospel come out your mouth once. Why? Cuz the gospel says we all pieces of shit and we Christians no better than anyone else – we just got lucky and met Jesus. And truth is God would leave me or you behind in a heartbeat to go after one of the lost sheep so you ain’t special man. Any of these Jesus haters could become a child of God any time they feel like but you being on here misrepresenting is not helping. If they can’t look in the mirror and realize that they are miracles and they were made for more than this crazy world, then ain’t nothing you say gonna help. Talk is cheap man if you say you care about evangelizing then be like Jesus and helo them in a real and tangible way, otherwise shake the dust off your feet and move on. And most of the people they mad at aren’t even real Christians, they just using Christianity as a means of power, influence and wealth. A real Christian can’t be stopped by a bunch of crazy liberals on a website. We thrive the most when persecuted cuz it weeds out all the fakes who destroy us from within and are in it for themselves and not God. Let them bring it on. I’d love to meet the person who could stop me from praying or worshipping Jesus in any way I choose. They Better bring a dam army. USA isn’t a Christian country, it’s the enemy who failed at stopping us by force and now he tries to destroy us from within. If the US was really full of so many Christians then there would be no world hunger cuz we would feed them and I would hear the Gospel frequently. But nobody even talks about the Gospel. All Christians are so busy trying to pretend to be good people cuz they have Jesus and all nonchristians are so obsessed with being good people without needing Jesus to do it. When yiu actually know Jesus then you can happily admit that you are a piece of shit like everybody else and understand that is the entire point of the book. God gave humanity thousands of years for just one person to be a good person but not one could do it. Jesus came for the sinners. He didn’t create Rev Bob to save the sinners, Jesus did that . If u know Jesus for real then you won the lottery of eternity without even buying a ticket. Stop hating on people who didn’t win too cuz u didn’t do nothing special to earn it

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