MRFF Advisory Board Member John M. Compere’s (Judge and Brigadier General, US Army, Retired) – “In 2017, strive for best moral behavior” on Abilene Reporter-News

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8 Comments

  1. American Patriot

    Well Gen, Compere, you cannot have morality without a moral law giver(God).

  2. American Patriot

    Gen. Compere,
    I am sure you will find a rebuttal to this on Christian Fighter Pilot as I will be forwarding this to them as I speak. I am sure Chaplain Sonny Hernandez would love to debate you on this if you are not cowardly enough to come out of your basement wearing only your underwear.

  3. G

    Yeah AP, and you have people like Ronald Reagan and business leaders like Trump who think that business leaders have better morality and don’t need government to regulate businesses and that business leaders can police themselves without help from government (not).

  4. MarkieDe

    I agree completely with everything Gen. Compere wrote.
    Morality is innate, it is one of the defining characteristics of righteous human soul the world over, it need not be inspired or informed, nor interpreted, explained, directed, instructed or sanctified by human statements of Judeo-Christian judgments or values of God, or any god. And it has been so since before the Bible, the Torah, the Upanishads, and other human texts about the Creator were written. If any belief system is true and pure, then, it also need not be imposed on others, nor should those others be punished if they don’t agree, or if they choose to view it in other ways. Including completely rejecting it. All that is required is that each human accept and respect the other. I would not accept YOU telling ME what my morality should be, or whether it is of value to you or approved by you, IF I completely refrain from harm or the enabling of harm, or even the wish of harm, to other humans and I express compassion for all other humans and other living creatures, as well as for the Earth. There are plenty of so-called devout Christians who do NOT refrain from physical or financial harm to others, do NOT evince or express compassion for all other humans and other creatures and the Earth. Are they devout Christians because they say they believe in the Bible and can quote from it, or are they devout even if they’re agnostic but practice tolerance and compassion with all of their being? Jesus is said to have explicitly advised tolerance and compassion, and it was not burdened with conditions. There are plenty of false prophets, poseurs and imposers. They are in positions of power, in politics, in business, in Christian circles. False idolatry is not morality. For example, many evangelical “Christians” have faith in Mr. Trump, they support him. The sick joke and the Big Lie is on them. They can spout the morality of God through their Biblical devotion until the end of history, but they are still false and liars and a danger to world society. I would be much more willing to accept the guidance of my morality from a truthful, humble, sincere, no-agenda atheist.
    In short, in your smug comments about cowardice and so-called moral law, I see no hint of compassion or inclination to meaningful enlightenment. If the morality of God the law giver is to control, capture, intimidate, dominate, then it is not viable moral law.

  5. American Patriot

    Morality does not happen in a vacuum, so there must be moral law giver (God). Even atheists have to steal from God to say that they are moral individuals.

  6. G

    No, we humans have to create moral laws since God does not create a new law every time something comes up. For example, the RICO law was created to fight the Mafia since the existing laws were not strong enough to tackle organized crime or they did not exist. We had to create and pass the Glass Stegall act since there was no law to regulate Wall Street speculation.

  7. Mark Sebree

    Anti-Patriot,

    Sorry, but your opinion does not mean that any deity exists. While you are correct (I know, a very rare event) about morality not happening in a vacuum, you are wrong about the source. It is society which determines what is and is not moral, not any mythical or fictional character. This can be seen in the very definition of “morality”. It is a system of ideals which define what is “right” behavior and what is “wrong” behavior. And both a person’s and society’s definitions of what is “right” and “wrong” change depending on many factors, including age of the person, gender, geographic region of the person, socio-economic level, job, belief system, year being discussed, country, religion, and a host of other variables.

    If you look at what is and was considered “moral” over time and across countries and socio-economic strata, it is easy to see how relative morals can be, and how much they can change. However, doing so would contradict your ignorant, pre-conceived notions, which is why you will deny reality yet again.

  8. Tom O

    When AP writes “you cannot have morality without a moral law giver(God),” he shows the basic sickness of the theocrats’ authoritarian mindset: the inability to even imagine any system of law/morality based on anything other than the more-powerful forcing their will on the less-powerful. Some people are Christians because they want to be as loving as God: other people pretend to be Christians because they want to be as powerful as God. AP’s writings on this site make it obvious which category he’s in.

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