Michael Feinstein

Date: Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 3:31 AM
Subject: Michael Feinstein
To: [email protected]militaryreligiousfreedom.org

Your organization is disgusting. Pathetic. Abhorrent. You know nothing about the US Constitution. Are you free to share your thoughts? Yes. Because of the 1st Amendment. What you aren’t free to do is prevent others from sharing their thoughts or worshiping in the manner they feel appropriate INCLUDING while they are in uniform. Your organization disgusts me. I hope Jesus Christ judges you for the hopeless organization that you are.

Regards,
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member John Compere
On Jun 24, 2018, at 9:37 AM
Mr. (name withheld),
 
We are not aware of a “Michael Feinstein”. You may have meant to refer to Mikey Weinstein, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation Founder & President.
 
Be advised the Military Religious Freedom Foundation is an American constitutional rights nonprofit organization representing over 56,000 American military members, veterans & civilian employees who requested that their American constitutional right to religious freedom (to which all Americans are entitled) be respected & protected. For its advocacy, MRFF has been officially nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 7 times.
 
Your hateful message acrimoniously attacks your 56,000+ fellow Americans who have sought our assistance. Be assured none of these patriotic Americans consider their right to determine, enjoy & practice their own beliefs under the American Constitution 1st Amendment to be disgusting, pathetic or abhorrent.
 
You are invited to visit militaryreligiousfreedom.org & click on the “American Independence – A Realistic Retrospective” article for enlightenment about our American Constitution.
 
Since you invoked Jesus, you should read & reflect on Matthew 7:1-2 & Luke 6:36-37 – “Be merciful, just as God is merciful. Do not judge and you will not be judged. Do not condemn and you will not be condemned.”
 
Patriotically Yours,
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam)
MRFF Advisory Board Member
Texas rancher

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish
On Jun 24, 2018, at 11:30 AM,
Dear (name withheld),

I must admit it took a special brain thought to put an F instead of a W in Mikey’s surname. How clever of you. Did you smile or giggle within yourself while making this change? You do know childish people do this, don’t you?

 

I see you have a mc at the end of your name. Does that stand for Marine Corps or mentally challenged?

 

How about you wrap that little brain of yours around the following facts instead of the lies, omissions and distortions that you have been fed deliberately?

 

Mikey and MRFF are neither an atheist organization nor are we anti-Christian. Mikey is Jewish (and prays to the same Father we do 3 times a day) and 80% of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters (415 in total) of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) are Christians. In fact, 96% of our 56,300 soldier clients are mainline Christians and we fight for them more than any other belief or non-belief.

 

We also have many distinguished and honorable military members on our Board and Advisory Board whom we rely on for their expertise on religion in the military. They know a lot more about it than you do.

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/foundation-voices/

 

Did you check out our Mission statement? You might learn something from it.

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/our-mission/

 

No, you can’t share your thoughts in “the manner they feel appropriate INCLUDING while they are in uniform.”

 

Here’s the backdrop for the First Amendment of the Constitution. This is a brief summary and I suggest you research the historical facts listed here.

 

All citizens of Virginia, regardless of their religious affiliation, had to pay taxes to support the Anglican churches throughout the state. The Quakers, Baptists, Presbyterians and Methodists fought this by petitions but were ignored.

 

Jefferson felt that to make anyone pay a tax to support the Anglican Church or any church was wrong and in 1777 penned the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. After becoming Governor of Virginia in 1779, he brought the bill – known as Bill No. 82 – before the Virginia Assembly. It didn’t become law until 1785.

 

The following paragraph from the Virginia Statute is the basis for the First Amendment. It didn’t need this whole paragraph written out in the amendment because the people of that time understood what it meant.

 

“We the General Assembly of Virginia do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.”

 

This bill gave the people freedom FROM religion in all aspects of their lives. No longer were they forced to attend religious services, pay taxes to the state to fund the state sanctioned religion or kept from holding a job in the government.

 

In his Notes on Virginia (1782), Jefferson wrote: “Millions of innocent men, women and children since the introduction of Christianity have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned. Yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. . .”

 

The Treaty of Tripoli was signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796.It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797; a mere 8 years since our Constitution went into effect. If what was written was wrong in anyway, there would have been uproar. But, it passed unanimously and confirmed that America was not founded on Christianity.

Treaty of Tripoli:

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

The Constitution reflects our founder’s views of a secular government protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief.

 

The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, “The idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety.”

 

“The Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered”. George Lincoln Burr (1857 – 1938), Professor of History and Librarian at Cornell University

 

“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”

Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813

“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788

“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.”

James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, EcclesiasticalEndowments

“God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.

 

What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.”

James Madison 1785 Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments

 

“Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”

As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

 

The Unites States is not a theocracy and according to our Founding Fathers the Constitution is not based on Christianity or biblical law.

 

As defenders of the Constitution we fight for the separation of church and state.

 

“…but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” (Article I, III)

This means that from the President to Congress to the military – no one’s job is based on their religion.

 

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (Establishment Clause), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Free Exercise Clause).”(First Amendment)

 

The Establishment Clause means that you cannot favor one religion over another even though it is in the majority. This clause respects the RIGHTS of all religions. Our military is SECULAR and there are people of other faiths that don the uniform that love this country.

 

The Free Exercise Clause (which is subservient to the Establishment Clause) means that our soldiers are free to exercise any religion they want or no religion at all but cannot elevate one God above others.

 

“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.”

Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320.

 

This is his second known use of the term “wall of separation,” here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter.

 

This wording of the original was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause.

 

“Jefferson’s concept of ‘separation of church and state’ first became a part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878). In that case, the court examined the history of religious liberty in the US, determining that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, “The word ‘religion’ is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted.” The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the “separation” paragraph from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, “coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.

In 1878 “separation of church and state” became part of the Establishment Clause by law.

 

The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.

 

Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test:

 

Government action violates the Establishment Clause unless it:
1. has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose,
2. does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion
3. does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion

 

Parker v. Levy:

“This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society… While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. … The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it… Speech [in any form] that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command.  If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected.” (Emphasis added) Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 1974

 

AFI (Air Force Instruction) 1-1, Section 2.12:

2.12. Balance of Free Exercise of Religion and Establishment Clause. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for their own free exercise of religion, including individual expressions of religious beliefs, and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. They must ensure their words and actions cannot reasonably be construed to be officially endorsing or disapproving of, or extending preferential treatment for any faith, belief, or absence of belief.

 

To place the Christian god above all others is in violation of Reynolds v. U.S., Lemon v. Kurtzman, the Lemon Test, Parker v. Levy and AFI 1-1, Section 2.12

 

People, like you, disgust me when they fire off an email that lacks the basic understanding of our founding, Constitution, Supreme Court rulings and the UCMJ.

 

Btw – you’re going to stand before Jesus Christ, who was born, raised, preached and died a Jew and be judged on your words in this email.

 

“But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” Matthew 12:36-37

 

Ignorance is a dangerous thing.

 

Joan Slish – a Christian

MRFF Advisory Board Member


Dear Joan,

Thank you for the myriad of insults. This paragraph you sent makes my case for me.

We the General Assembly of Virginia do enact that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities.”

 

I hope you continue with your insults, assumptions, and prejudices. They are so Christian-like.

 

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish

On Jun 24, 2018, at 12:50 PM, Joan Slish  wrote:

Dear (name withheld),

You started with the insults… disgusting. Pathetic. Abhorrent. If you think we’re not going to reply in kind you are sadly mistaken. You sought us out…we didn’t go looking for you.

 

You overlook all of the laws I sent you to latch onto one sentence to make your case that you are free to do whatever you please, whenever you please.

 

And nobody here cares what you think or your opinion.

 

“You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts.” Retired Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan

 

We have the facts.

Joan Slish


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

On Jun 24, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Mike MFO wrote:

Dear (name withheld),

Your message invites a response despite the rudeness and ignorance of your tone and its content.

No one here would suggest that individuals should not be free to privately share their thoughts

or worship in the manner they feel appropriate. What the First Amendment and the Separation

of Church and State say, however, is that no one in a government position may promote or

appear to promote one belief system over others.

Despite your ignorant assertion in capital letters, military regulations honor that understanding

by ensuring that no such breach is allowed. If you knew more than you apparently do, you

might find your own ignorance embarrassing and your own arrogance disgusting.

The 95% of our members and supporters who happen to be Christian recognize the importance

of this position in a land that ensures the freedom of thought, speech and belief and are often

embarrassed by the presumption of those who, like yourself, pretend to follow Jesus while behaving

in a decidedly judgmental and un-Christian manner.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)


 

 

 

 

 

 

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