We want Tolerance and Liberty!
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Date: August 17, 2018 at 2:14:44 PM MDT
To: “[email protected]” <[email protected]>
Subject: We want Tolerance and Liberty!
Reply-To: (name withheld)
I honestly don’t expect you to read this because, well, the truth can sting. See if you can read with an open mind.
Looks like a history lesson is in order. Tolerance – you need some.
The following is taken verbatim from the Constitution of the United State of America. Neither your opinion nor mine has any relevance to the law.
Article [I] (Amendment 1 – Freedom of expression and religion)
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
“Article [IX] (Amendment 9 – Unenumerated Rights)
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
The following is taken verbatim from The Declaration of Independence. One’s disbelief in God has No relevance to the law.
“When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
Your ignorance is ridiculous. You are acting like a 2 year old laying in the floor kicking and screaming because he isn’t getting his way. Quit trying to force Your beliefs on everyone else. One day we will all die and then we will all know who was right. Until then stop the bigotry and hatred. You have no right (see above) to force your beliefs on anyone. Brig. Gen. E. John Teichert isn’t forcing you to believe what he believes. Your intolerance/proselytizing is really pitiful. If you’re this miserable with your own life do something about it and quit trying to make everyone else miserable with you. Seriously, grow up. If anyone should be behind prison bars that would be you for wasting tax payer dollars on your whining. Someone will always be offended (cry, cry) at something. You should be glad that Gen. Teichert wants to make wise decisions and have understanding. But since this is ‘criminal’ I guess you want him to make … stupid decisions? I look at his resume against yours and … well … what have you done for our country. If you aren’t happy here, by all means please leave. The majority of us enjoy Freedom.
(name withheld)
Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish
Dear (name withheld)
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
George Washington, letter tothe United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773
1. has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose,
2. does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion
3.does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion
On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:29 PM, Mikey Weinstein <mikey@
Hello (name withheld)… Well you seem to be quite wrong… I am personally responding to you here and I am the head person of the foundation… I’m not gonna waste any time in communicating with you if you have not carefully reviewed the 22 page demand letter we sent in to the Pentagon late this past Sunday… It lays everything out extremely well… If you can’t find that letter on the Internet or on our website I will personally send it to you… Thank you and have a nice weekend… Mikey Weinstein/MRFF
On Aug 17, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Mike wrote:
Hi Ms. (name withheld),
It appears Mikey has already responded to your ill-informed, rather smug and self-righteous complaint, so let me only add that you’re way off base, ignorant of the actual facts of the matter and your attitude doesn’t serve you or your position well.
Discussion is always possible and “open minds” are welcome. Lecturing from a position of ignorance and barely veiled contempt is a waste of time.
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)
Last thing – to be honest I haven’t had time to read the entirety of your emails before my previous responses. Here’s my final response.1.) Thanks again for the quotes, etc, you have sent. I will add them to my list of facts concerning Freedom of Religion and Freedom of Speech. Honestly I didn’t think emailing you would accomplish anything.2.) You made the assumption that I am a Christian. Why? Do you believe that only Christians have enough common sense to understand the law? That is offensive. Had this man been Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, etc. I would have made the same argument. Freedom of speech and Freedom of Religion apply to all. However, due to your words I now see what I’ve heard Christians speak of concerning, in Christian terms, ‘persecution.’ It makes me wonder why Christians bother you more than anyone else. (Make a chart of different religions and for each one mark how many you have filed suit against.) I am going to study more about the Christian God because if He is the Only One, using another Christian term, ‘convicting’ you there must be a reason. Why else would Christians be the only ones you appear to get Angry with. I love research, hence my interest in law, so I am definitely doing more research into this. Maybe you should do the same. Thank you for showing me Truth here as well.Sincerely,(name withheld)
Good of you to include our quotes, etc., to your list of facts. I hope they’ll be useful.
If anyone assumed you were a Christian, and I see no sign of our having done so, it would have been because those who have read about and responded negatively to our having expressed concerns about Brigadier General Teichert (on behalf of his subordinates who reached out to us) and his inappropriate proselytizing fall into two categories: 1) fundamentalist or dominionist Christians who cheer his attempt to convert his troops; or 2) Christians who have bought into the idea (promoted by those in category 1) that there is some kind of weird campaign going on against Christians in America.
In answer to your question, despite the error in its premise, we honor all belief systems and therefore certainly do not believe “only Christians have enough common sense to understand the law.”
It’s good to know you’d have put forward the same argument if BGen. Teichert had been “Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, etc.” I trust that would also include Muslim, yes? Atheist? Just want to be clear.
Well, had BGen. Teichert been a passionate proponent of any of those beliefs our response would have been the same. You see, despite your willingness to support the freedoms of speech and religion to all, there are, by law and military regulation, limits to what one in the General’s position is allowed to say with regard to his belief. That’s because the First Amendment’s protections are buttressed by the understanding that the government, which in the military is represented by officers and those with authority over others, cannot promote, promulgate, favor, proselytize or appear to do so in favor of one belief system over others.
You mention above the “persecution” of Christians. The persecution of Christians in America is a fantasy made up by the dominionists and their ilk in order to gain power in the Christian world. Since you’ve “heard Christians speak” of it I’d suggest you get a second opinion from a more level-headed, more mainstream Christian.
Christians don’t “bother” us. In fact, the vast majority of the people who work with and support the MRFF are themselves Christians. Apparently, though, we do “bother” some Christians because we frustrate their desire to destroy the separation of church and state and make America a Christian Nation and the military Jesus’ Army.
And it’s certainly not the Christian God who is “convicting” us. Apparently you’ve found a way to get information on us from too many of the category 1) people mentioned above. I hope the research you plan to do widens the scope of your search a bit. It sounds to me as though you’ve picked your way carefully into a wily briar patch of discontent.
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)
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