FORWARD.COM: Debunking The Myth That Anti-Zionism Is Anti-Semitic

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  1. Robert Bonhoeffer

    There is no myth here, anti-Zionism is the new anti-Semitism.

  2. Tom O

    So devout Jews who are opposed to Zionism (mostly because they believe the Jews shouldn’t return to Israel until the Messiah appears) are anti-semitic?

  3. Robert Bonhoeffer

    Anti-Zionism is Anti-Semitism, a rebuttal to the above article by Beinart.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/03/antizionism_is_antisemitism.html

  4. Robert Bonhoeffer

    Antisemitism on parade – Everything old is new again by Joan Swirsky

    http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/swirsky/190314

  5. Tom O

    Still want to pretend that there are no Jews opposed to Zionism, Robert? Quote from my former co-worker Avner Sasson, a Jewish Israeli whose family has continually lived in the same house since biblical times: “We got along OK with the Arabs until the Zionists started moving in.”
    If the descendants of the native American tribe that once lived where your house is now located came back and told you and your neighbors to get out because God gave that land to them, what would you do?

  6. Robert Bonhoeffer

    Tom,
    God did give the land to the Jews as evidenced in historical scripture, through international law (San Remo Conference), archeaological finds, and the Palestinian mandate. There is no historical evidence of any such so called Palestinian people. Check out the etymological history of the word Palestine and you will see that it is the Latinized v translation of the word Philistine. The Philistines were not indiginous people to the land of Israel, but were a sea faring people that came down from the north Mediterranean Sea.

    All Zionism is, is the belief that God has given the land of Israel to the Jewish people and they have a right to their ancestral homeland.

    Regarding the Native Americans, there is no historical or religious scriptures stating that God gave them the land in the current United States, but the way it was taken from them was not right.

  7. Tom O

    Robert says not only that HIS holy book is the word of God: additionally the San Remo Conference, archaeological finds, and the Palestinian mandate also spoke for God. He doesn’t want to think about what he would do with the hypothetical native Americans in my previous comment, and he REALLY doesn’t want to think about the existence of anti-Zionist Jews.

  8. Tom O

    If the holy book of those native Americans’ religion said that their God gave them the land where Robert lives now, what would Robert do?

  9. Robert Bonhoeffer
  10. Tom O

    Reading the above-linked article, I quickly found its central lie, which is rooted in the authoritarian absolutist mindset of all theocrats: “If you agree that Israel is evil, apartheid, fascist, and repugnant, then the only possible resolution is its total destruction, its Jews exiled or exterminated.” Israeli Jews who believe their government is doing evil, repugnant things see an alternative: try to change those policies of THEIR government by the democratic process. Authoritarian theocrats can’t conceive of that alternative, or if they can, don’t want others to think about it .
    I see Robert STILL has no response to my previous 2 comments. Here’s another thing he won’t want to think about: even if Jews WERE given the land of Israel by God, they abandoned it over 1800 years ago. The the ancestors of the hypothetical native Americans in my 1:25PM3/16 comment were driven from their land by force less than 400 years ago (much less in some places.)

  11. Robert Bonhoeffer

    Tom,
    Israel is neither, evil, apartheid, fascist or repugnant, but they are considered that by anti-Semities, and Palestinians who are not indigenous to the land in the first place so have no legal, archaeological, historical or biblical right to the land in the first place.

    Secondly, the Jews never abandoned their land at all, you will not find that anywhere in the bible. The Jews were taken into captivity twice and then exiled from their land through the Disaspora, but more than once in the bible God says that He will bring His people back home to their ancestral home from the north, south, east and west which has been happening since after WWII and when they became a nation in 1948 up until this day and until their Messiah Jesus returns and they realize that they pierced their Messiah and mourn for Him as an only son.

  12. Robert Bonhoeffer

    Tom,
    There are anti-Zionist Jews but they are few and far between in Israel and around the world. Majority of Jews believe the testimony of the patriarchs and prophets in the OT, that God has given them the land historically, archaeologically, legally, and biblically.

    The term “Palestinian” never came into existence until 1968 when Yasser Arafat coined the term, and yet even he was not a “Palestinian” for he was born in Egypt along with all other so called “Palestinian” leaders, they were all born in other countries.

    What happened to the Native Americans was indeed wrong, but there is a big difference between them and the Palestinians. There is no historical evidence for a so called “Palestinian people!

  13. Tom O

    I see Robert wants to argue about whether the Jews abandoned Israel, to deflect attention from the basic topic: whether anti-zionism=anti-semitism, and specifically the AmericanThinker article he linked, which says “If you agree that Israel is evil, apartheid, fascist, and repugnant, then the only possible resolution is its total destruction, its Jews exiled or exterminated.” During the apartheid-era, the government of South Africa was seen by most of the world as “evil, apartheid, fascist, and repugnant,” but that same government no longer operates that way, and that government drastically changed without “its total destruction” or its white minority “exiled or exterminated.” If that big a change in government policies toward formerly repressed people happened in South Africa, why CAN’T it happen in Israel?
    Yes, Robert “What happened to the Native Americans was indeed wrong, but there is a big difference between them and the Palestinians. The big difference is that the Jews abandoned Israel over 1800 years ago because, after they rebelled against the Roman Empire for the SECOND time, the Romans repressed them in ways similar to how Israel currently treats Palestinians: Native Americans were driven from their land by force less than 400 years ago (much less in some places.)
    Robert says that the jews didn’t abandon Israel, but “The Jews were taken into captivity twice and then exiled from their land through the Disaspora.” Who supposedly forcibly removed the Jews from Judea in the first two centuries AD? How were Avner Sasson’s ancestors and thousands of other Jews able to stay in Israel during the entire time that all Jews were supposedly being exiled? Why didn’t any significant number of Jews return to Judea when the Roman Empire became Christian?

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