VA Lifts Ban on Bibles in Move to Support Religious Freedom

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    Why does protecting an individuals’ religious freedoms seem to lead to religious sterilization and the stripping of another individuals’ freedom to practice? A link in the article provided some incidents where bibles were removed from chapels, presents wrapped in paper mentioning Merry Christmas were kept from being distributed to Christian patients, and carolers had to stick to secular Christmas carols.

    None of these appear to be provided or financed by the government and were in no way an endorsement of a religion, but rather an endorsement of ones’ freedom to practice their religion.

    I am completely for the separation of church and state. The last thing I want is my religious beliefs receiving favor over someone elses’. If another veteran needs a Koran in the chapel to exercise their religion, then the government has no business restricting their free exercise thereof by removing them. The fact that the hospital allows Korans in the chapel in no way restricts my religious freedom nor indicates that they endorse that particular religion. It also doesn’t keep non religious people from using the room to meditate.

    Groups like yours would receive much more support if they did more for the inclusion of everyone instead of the exclusion of everyone.

  2. Grey One talks sass

    Christian Nationalists like to muddy the water. How so, Grey One?

    Well, there is a difference between private citizens singing carols and employees of the VA (making them agents or representatives of The State) promoting one specific religion through the expression of music.

    When I read the article I didn’t see repression. I saw people doing their best to keep church and state separate. I saw Christian Nationalists loudly complaining that their personal faith was not provided preferential treatment.

    What’s a Christian to do when they’re “On fire for Jesus”?

    Keep it to yourselves.

    Like any drug addled soul, I don’t need to see or hear your ramblings and I certainly don’t want or need what a Christian Nationalist thinks is an answer to life.

    Also (and too) some of the events stated in the article sounded familiar. Yep, they came from the fevered mind of one Todd Starnes (no story is good enough until it’s embellished with Christian persecution).

    The Zombie Apocalypse is now. Who knew it would be in reference to many times debunked stories.


    The muddying of the waters seems to be in your interpretation of the first amendment.

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…

    Government employees singing Christmas carols(it was outside volunteers in the article I read) is nowhere near to congress making a law respecting the establishment of religion. However, keeping them from singing carols isn’t too far from restricting the free exercise thereof if that is something they do in their religious practice. There is nothing in the constitution about having to leave your religion at home, or about you having the right to not see someone practicing their religion. If that were the case, then there would be a ban on people bowing their head and praying before eating their meal in the government lunchroom.

    You not needing to hear what some nutcase has to say in no way allows you to restrict him from saying it. The old saying goes “your rights end at the tip of my nose”, not within your earshot.

  4. David Tucker

    Mikey Weinstein and his ilk want to take God out of the military. Since their not smart enough to know it. I have found some interesting quotes from some of our greatest Commander in Chiefs about God. Think about what they say and mean

    We have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand, which preserved us in peace and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us, and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us.” ~ Abraham Lincoln

    “It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” ~ George Washington

    The rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.” ~ John F. Kennedy

    “If we ever forget that we are one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.” ~ Ronald Reagan

  5. Grey One talks sass

    David Tucker, thank you for trotting out your first quote ““It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.” ~ George Washington”

    If you have the actual paper or book he said such a thing you may be a very rich person. I say this because the quote you attribute to GW was never said by our first president. It’s been fact checked many times so why would you use such a thing?

    No matter how many former presidential quotes in favor of their personal religion you provide it doesn’t change the simple fact that the USA was designed and codified as a secular nation.

    The Founding Fathers wanted the USA secular. If they wanted church rule they would have said so. They didn’t so why are you trying to force your faith on others? Why are you actively doing your best to disrespect the one document that governs us all – the Constitution? Doesn’t seem very patriotic now does it?


    “…with that Charity, humility & pacific temper of mind, which were the Characteristicks of the Divine Author of our blessed Religion & without an humble immitation of whose example in these things, we can never hope to be a happy Nation.”

    These are the national archives and it appears in the last paragraph. It seems that David Tuckers’ quote of George Washington may be a paraphrase of this, or simply a similar statement made to someone else.

  7. G

    Tucker, many civilizations like Egypt, China, Rome, Persia, Greece, etc., manage to govern themselves long before the Bible came into existence and they had many gods to worship.

  8. David Tucker

    G have you ever heard of the commandment that goes you will have no other God’s before me. Oh by the way, Rome and those other civilizations fell and we are still going strong after almost 250 years. I very strongly suggest you read up on history. By way its MISTER Tucker to you.

  9. G

    Tucker, it took a long time for Egypt, Persia, China, and Rome to fall. No other God before me? So what, the wealthy people in this country only believe in the god of money. Going strong after 250? We have been declined in for the last 39 years. I suggest that you read up on your history, Tucker.

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