Dog tags

You are violating your own stated purpose: “The Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) is dedicated to ensuring that all members of the United States Armed Forces fully receive the Constitutional guarantee of religious freedom to which they and all Americans are entitled by virtue of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.“ by fighting against scripture on dog tags. No one is forcing military personnel to wear these it is their choice. If someone wants to start a company printing verses from The Koran then let them do that. Plus as a Jewish person you should be respectful of the fact that many of the verses printed are from the Torah. You are not promoting religious freedom you are fighting against it! I pray that God will open your eyes to the truth. 

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein

….ummm, you’re totally missing the point here, ma’am…..these dog tags are souvenirs not actual GI issued….they are made by a for-profit Christian company which is DIRECTLY violating their trademark contract with DoD regarding use of the military Dept. logos….which DoD contract STRICTLY prohibits use of these DoD military branch logos to further ANY religious sectarian or partisan political purpose…we have NO issue if armed forces folks wanna wear these fake dogtags as long as there is NO military logo on them which, again, not only violates that DoD contract but additionally the 1st Amendment’s clear and foundational separation of church and state….…perhaps do a little more homework before you start throwing feces at folks…..pretty embarrassing for you that you apparently TOTALLY missed all of these salient facts…….….and don’t YOU EVER FREAKING tell ME what a “Jewish person” should be “respectful” about….your wretched arrogance and pedantic screed shows us who you really are…..I’d NEVER want a person with your ignorant, patronizing manner to provide me ANY medical services….so long, Mikey Weinstein…MRFF


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Martin France

On Feb 22, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Martin France wrote:

(name withheld), I occasionally answer emails like yours as part of the Advisory Board for the MRFF,  I’ll be very quick about this…  It’s NOT about putting Bible verses on personal jewelry.  If you read the articles, it’s about the military services being able to control the use of their legally TRADEMARKED and PROTECTED logo.  They have an absolute right to control who uses their emblems/trademarks just as Coca-Cola, Toyota, Google, Apple, and others do.  If someone took the Apple logo and put Bible verses on it and sold it for a profit, Apple would be able to sue them for unauthorized use.  The Marines Corps can do the same thing, as can the other services.  AGAIN, every soldier, sailor, Marines, Coastie, and spaceperson can buy their own jewelry with Bible verses and wear it in uniform so long as they conform to regulations.  WE WILL DEFEND THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO!  They can even make fake dog tags that have those verses on them.  What they can’t do is form a company that takes a legally protected trademark, puts Bible verses next to that trademark, and sells it for a profit without the prior approval of the owners of those emblems.  The Army, Marines, and other services have said they won’t allow their emblems to be used in this way, so doing so would be against the law.  They made this decision because they see it as a violation of the doctrine of the separation of the church and state to mix their trademark with a specific religion.  It would, in essence, look like an establishment of THAT religion as the official religion of that service and that, my friend, is against the law.  The same would hold true for verses from the Koran, the Torah, the Bagathavita (sp?), and the works of Richard Dawkins.  I invite any other questions you might have…

Sincerely,
Marty France, PhD
Brigadier General, USAF (Retired)
MRFF Advisory Board

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

On Feb 22, 2020, at 2:45 PM, Mike  wrote:

Dear (name withheld),
Your prayers and your ill-advised lecture to “a Jewish person” are ill-thought, unwise and inappropriate. Upon reflection I trust you’ll find them embarrassing.
The dog-tags in question are not government-issued, they are facsimiles made for the express purpose, according to their manufacturer, of Christian proselytizing. As such they are harmless and of no concern to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. The problem with the particular items in question is that the manufacturer chose to place the official military emblem – or designation or “trademark”, if you’d prefer – on them, making them appear to be government-issued or -endorsed. They are not.  Military regulations and U.S. law prohibit the government in all its forms from being involved in the promotion of or expressing or implying the preference for one religion or belief system over others.
One would expect you to understand that in a nation filled with people of many and varied backgrounds and beliefs, a nation dedicated to the freedom of religious or non-religious choice, the best and most effective protection of the right of all to believe as they choose is the separation of church and state. That protection is our mission.
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)

Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere

On Feb 23, 2020, at 5:43 PM, John Compere  wrote:

(name withheld),
 
For your information, American military men & women may purchase & possess any religious or non-religious verses they wish. However, a private commercial business cannot illegally profit off of them by misrepresenting & mismanufacturing its souvenir merchandise as official government issued military identification tags in violation of its own licensing agreement with the Department of Defense & applicable regulatory laws. That is why the military stopped the unlawful practice.
Your presumptuous & pious protest is morally misdirected. It would be more rationally redirected at those who disrespect & disregard their agreements & our laws rather than at those of us who respect & request compliance with them.
 
John Compere, BA, JD
Brigadier General, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (80% Christians)

 

 

 

 

 

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7 Comments

  1. SSG Daniel J. Long

    As a 25-year Veteran (and still going), it’s very disappointing to see people like you stick your nose into my personal affairs. If I choose to wear a”dogtag” with a Bible verse and my branch of choice on it, that is MY business. Since we’re not allowed to wear necklaces on the outside of our uniforms, what business is it of yours or anyone else, for that matter, what religious emblems I wear around my neck. How about you take your personal thoughts, roll them up nice and tight, and shove them up your ass! Get a fucking life and leave service members alone!

  2. Grey One talks sass

    C4Z and SSG Daniel J. Long have taken some of the fun out of the witty banter we post here.

    C4Z crosses the line of creepy by Googling Mikey’s house? WTF? Isn’t that chargeable in the criminal stalking sort of way?

    SSG Daniel J. Long, according to their self identification, is a Staff Sergeant, supposedly a person of some intelligence. I say supposedly because the amount of research done before they wrote their insulting comment is obviously none. And they are charged with leading others?? I guess you are a good soldier. You don’t question why, you just do and die.

    There has to be another option.

  3. Grey One talks sass

    PS C4Z – there are several forms of security, what I’m referencing here is the kind you don’t see.

    Your stupidity is overflowing. Perhaps you have a filter or two which needs replacing?

  4. Grey One talks sass

    Yep, C4Z crossed the line because poof! Their comment is gone.

    Thank you MRFF mods.

  5. Ironmoped

    But if we started selling dog tags, for profit, with Koranic verses on them superimposed over your name and/or family crest, you might have a problem with it! That’s the issue! You can wear whatever you want around your neck, under your uniform, but you can’t put words on anything and claim it is endorsed by the US government by way of the addition of a military logo! On a more humorous note, many Christians wear crosses around their necks but when Christ comes back, do you really think he wants to see another cross?

  6. Tom O

    Sgt. Long says “it’s very disappointing to see people like you stick your nose into my personal affairs. If I choose to wear a ‘dogtag’ with a Bible verse and my branch of choice on it, that is MY business.” How does MRFF’s demand that Shields of Strength stop violating their trademark contract with DoD prevent Sgt. Long from wearing any tag he chooses to wear, or “stick [MRFF’s] nose into [his] personal affairs”?

  7. G

    SSG Long. What is SSG? If it Staff Sergeant, you can only be in the military for 20 years unless you are in the Guard/Reserve where you can stay until age 62 or 64.

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