VA under fire for defending the preservation of swastika headstones for Nazi troops buried in US national cemeteries

My father and other family members fought during WWII to overthrow Hitler.  My father served during the Battle of the Bulge and we do not in any way defend what the Nazis did or what they stood for.  However, the being said.  Take your complaint and shove it up your ass.  You are as disgusting as the Nazis were.  I would never contribute one more penny to you.  We can do quite will without haters of any race, color, creed, national origin, sexual orientation or religion.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein

Hi (name withheld)……how DARE you equate me and MRFF with the Nazis!!!…WTF!!??…..…!!……you wanna talk about FAMILY do you??!!…..I LOST PLENTY OF FAMILY MEMBERS IN THE HOLOCAUST!!……2 of my family members who managed to survive, each gave 4 hours of video testimony to Steven Spielberg after he did Schindler’s List….listen carefully now; YOU CAN GO STRAIGHT TO HELL FOR SAYING THAT!!!!…..you owe me and MRFF a damn apology for that wretched and hurtful statement…and read the below link, you damn asshole…Mikey Weinstein


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Larry Wilkerson

Sir,

Your email to Mikey Weinstein puzzles me as I read it. First, you refer to the issue at hand, i.e., commemorating Nazis alongside U.S. GIs. Second you diverge from that subject significantly by mounting an ad hominem attack on Mikey Weinstein and by extension the MRFF. This is not only illogical, but I fear demonstrates your real reason for emailing Mikey. That reason is of course anti-semitism. That is all logic as demonstrated by your email will allow me to conclude. It is either that or you are one of those taliban Christians whom Christ himself would abominate. I invite you again to write if neither is the case; otherwise I shall conclude ineluctably that one or perhaps both, are.  And if that is the proper conclusion, you are nothing but a Nazi yourself. I do sincerely hope that is not the case.

Lawrence Wilkerson, Colonel, United States Army (Retired), whose father and father-in-law, too, fought in World War II.


My family is Jewish.  We lost family members in the camps and my father helped liberate the camps.  I am not impressed with your military service nor your rank.  I am a retired military member with over 20 years of service.  I was awarded 2 MSMS (one of which was downgraded from a LOM, 6 ARCOMS (one of which was downgraded from a MSM) and other awards and decorations.  The downgrades, according to the commanders at the time due to my rank and not to whether the actions merited the awards.  I have seen discrimination based on rank.  I expect that some of the medals you were awarded were due the rank you held and not based on the merit of any accomplishment.  I did three combat tours of duty in Vietnam and witnessed the discrimination against the civilian population just because they were oriental.  I also know of the rare but true crimes committed by our service members.  I no more condemn all the German soldiers that wore the uniform the bore the Swastikas than I would the soldiers who wore or now wear the flag of the United States of America.  Not all soldiers who flew the Stars and Bars of the Confederacy condoned slavery, nor did they fight for slavery.  The north was losing the war until the Emancipation Declaration.  Up until that time the war was about the right to secede from the Union and states rights.  To say those who display the Stars and Bars are all racist and it is just symbol of hate is as ridiculous as saying the swastika is a symbol of hate.  The swastika predates the nazis by thousands of years.  This is all a bunch of deflection by hate mongers that are no better than those they spew hate at.  All would be better served to move on and find a real issue to debate.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Larry Wilkerson

Well, well, well, we at least roused you to a more logical and straightforward argument. We smoked you out, as it were.

Some of your rebuttal points are well taken; some are still illogical; and some sheer nonsense. Let’s take the latter first.

Being a Jew does not perforce make one incapable of being anti-Semitic. But I’ll give you that one just on a hunch, not on logic. Frankly, I despise the oft-used phrase, “self-loathing Jew”.  It’s usually employed by those with no other riposte available.

As to the logic of your personal military history, I’ll match my enlisted and officer service, my awards and decorations, some 35 years of government service, the highest award the state department has to give, against all of your array at any time you wish. But that’s really, as you try to imply, inconsequential.

What is consequential in a democracy such as ours is majority opinion, particularly when that opinion involves sacrifice, blood and war. In such cases most people, as we are witnessing, in the majority want the gravestones gone from the national cemeteries and that should be the end of the argument. It would be the end of course if there weren’t special interests at work. In fact it would have been over very fast had those special interests not played a role for as long as they have.  Now, my guess is, in the light of day, they will be overcome.  But even should they not be, that doesn’t negate the rectitude of our action, any more than your words do.

Your argument that this is an inconsequential issue, in light of what I assume you think are consequential issues, doesn’t hold much water either. Upholding the Constitution is never an inconsequential issue and if you think it is, then perhaps you need to revisit the oath you took yourself as a GI.

If we held a free and fair vote and could expect the results to be even remotely legitimate, most Americans, and I suspect almost all WWII GIs, would vote for the grave markers to be moved. At the end of the day, it’s that simple. All of both your and my sophisticated arguments are for naught in the face of that reality. The fact that you apparently choose not to face that reality is your prerogative. But it’s also mine to tell you that I believe you are dead wrong.

As to your historical references to our Civil War, to the Nazis, and your allusion to the history of war in general, I would love to debate you someday. It’s not often that one encounters the nuance about such things that you seem capable of. I would advise that in future, however, you confine your debate to the realm of the philosophy of war and such, rather than to the specifics of today’s war politics. With the former approach you can impress scholars such as myself, but your arguments will fall flat in the world of real politics. As Clauewitz said, war is an extension of the political, and to be well-versed in its theory, as you seem want to be, you need a grasp of reality, in whatever state you lay claim to, ours or the world.

lw


Response from MRFF Board Member John Compere

Swastikas are symbols of hate & the genocide of 6 million children, women & men by the psychopath Hitler & his murderous Nazis (because the victims were born of Jewish mothers – like Jesus). Swastikas also encourage & provide rallying signs for neo-Nazis & White Supremacists in our country whose stated goal is to kill all American Jews. Current national data shows hate crimes against American Jewish people & property have increased. Germany even bans public displays of Swastikas & makes it a crime. Swastikas have no place in our American military cemeteries with deceased American military men & women who fought in World War II (over 400,000 sacrificed their lives) to defeat the evil Third Reich whose central ideological feature was anti-Semitism.

Your insensitive & insidious invective to a fellow American & military veteran you do not even know (who also happens to be born of a Jewish mother) reflects only on yourself & reveals a hateful hypocrite incapable of civil communication.

Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation (80% Christians)


Kiss my ass!  I am a retired career military service member who served 3 tours of duty in Vietnam and a year in Korea.  I am of Jewish descent and my father helped liberate the holocaust camps.  You have absolutely nothing to tell me about anything.  You are no better than the scum wearing the swastika.  History is what history is.  The majority of those who wore the Nazi uniform knew nothing of the holocaust and were serving their country.  Your indictment of an entire country is absurd and disgusting.  Keep you moronic organization for the sickos.  My comments stand. Your are an ignorant and stupid excuse for a human.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Larry Wilkerson
Well, well, well, we at least roused you to a more logical and straightforward argument. We smoked you out, as it were. 
 
Some of your rebuttal points are well taken; some are still illogical; and some sheer nonsense. Let’s take the latter
first.
 
Being a Jew does not perforce make one incapable of being anti-Semitic. But I’ll give you that one just on a hunch, not on logic. Frankly, I despise the oft-used phrase, “self-loathing Jew”.  It’s usually employed by those with no other riposte available. 
 
As to the logic of your personal military history, I’ll match my enlisted and officer service, my awards and decorations, some 35 years of government service, the highest award the state department has to give, against all of your array at any time you wish. But that’s really, as you try to imply, inconsequential.
 
What is consequential in a democracy such as ours is majority opinion, particularly when that opinion involves sacrifice, blood and war. In such cases most people, as we are witnessing, in the majority want the gravestones gone from the national cemeteries and that should be the end of the argument. It would be the end of course if there weren’t special interests at work. In fact it would have been over very fast had those special interests not played a role for as long as they have.  Now, my guess is, in the light of day, they will be overcome.  But even should they not be, that doesn’t negate the rectitude of our action, any more than your words do. 
 
Your argument that this is an inconsequential issue, in light of what I assume you think are consequential issues, doesn’t hold much water either. Upholding the Constitution is never an inconsequential issue and if you think it is, then perhaps you need to revisit the oath you took yourself as a GI. 
 
If we held a free and fair vote and could expect the results to be even remotely legitimate, most Americans, and I suspect almost all WWII GIs, would vote for the grave markers to be moved. At the end of the day, it’s that simple. All of both your and my sophisticated arguments are for naught in the face of that reality. The fact that you apparently choose not to face that reality is your prerogative. But it’s also mine to tell you that I believe you are dead wrong.  
 
As to your historical references to our Civil War, to the Nazis, and your allusion to the history of war in general, I would love to debate you someday. It’s not often that one encounters the nuance about such things that you seem capable of. I would advise that in future, however, you confine your debate to the realm of the philosophy of war and such, rather than to the specifics of today’s war politics. With the former approach you can impress scholars such as myself, but your arguments will fall flat in the world of real politics. As Clauewitz said, war is an extension of the political, and to be well-versed in its theory, as you seem want to be, you need a grasp of reality, in whatever state you lay claim to, ours or the world. 
 
lw

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

Hi (name withheld),

I’m having difficulty understanding your message. What is it about our issue that prompted this rather ill-thought and overblown
response from you? “… as disgusting as the Nazis…”? Really?

Either you’re attributing a “complaint” to us that was not ours or you are somehow exercised about something you have misunderstood. Or, perhaps, you’re a defender of Nazi paraphernalia and think its symbols should be honored on U.S. Government property. If the latter, we disagree, but I’m happy to discuss it with you.

We are in agreement, though, that “We can do quite will (sic) without haters of any race, color, creed, national origin, sexual orientation or religion.” That’s exactly what the Nazis were, don’t you agree?

Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)


 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 Comment

  1. A.L. Hern

    “My father and other family members fought during WWII to overthrow Hitler. My father served during the Battle of the Bulge and we do not in any way defend what the Nazis did or what they stood for. However, the being said. Take your complaint and shove it up your ass. You are as disgusting as the Nazis were. I would never contribute one more penny to you. We can do quite will without haters of any race, color, creed, national origin, sexual orientation or religion.”

    Well, firstly, how can you say you’re not “defend[ing] Nazis did or what they stood for” if you think that standing up for the continued existence of Nazi iconography and pro-Hitler sentiments on American soil is “hating.” I have news for you: except for those few German soldiers all but inexplicably interred at U.S. VA facilities, EVERY man and women buried in every U.S. veterans cemetery who fought the Nazis hated them.

    And as for your “never giving another penny to [the MRFF], have you EVER given any contributions to this organization prior to this? I tend to doubt it, and it should have occurred to you that ho one reading your note would EVER have assumed for one instant that you had.

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