It is a sad day!
From: (name withheld)
Subject: It is a sad day!
Date: July 14, 2023 at 4:21:44 PM PDT
To: M Weinstein <[email protected]>
Mikey,
I can’t believe I spent 30 years sacrificing my personal freedoms and family time, putting myself in harms way only to have one of the basic rights I thought I was fighting for taken away by a religious zealot! If I was on active duty I certainly would challenge having my right to free speech taken away by some ass in congress!
I know the military can be controlled using the Hatch Act and there are good reasons the law exists. But this is just a bunch of whiny military leaders who can’t bear to follow the rules inciting congress to control free speech, of military folks.
Maybe it is time to make the Aliyah to Israel! Especially if Trump gets back in the White House!
Regards,
(name withheld)
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The Hatch act is not applicable to military members; however, DOD and service branch instruction and regulation is (not to mention the UCMJ).
Military members may share their religious beliefs (or non-beliefs), but they are not allowed to proselytize, harass, or become disruptive to the good order and discipline that the military upholds. They are prohibited from proselytizing while in uniform. That’s why a proselytizing Commander will offer a “prayer meeting” at his home during non-duty hours. Simply tell them no! Tell them you’re Zoroastrian!
I wished more military members, when being “recruited” by a higher rank on behalf of Christianity, would simply say, “I’m not interested.”
Yes, I know it’s hard to do, particularly with a military Commander that has swallowed the Christian Kool aid, but I guarantee a complaint against a Commander for proselytizing would be dealt with. It DOES affect the good order and discipline of the unit and the Chain of Command will deal with it effectively. Military folks have got to have the balls to speak up!
Living your military life in fear of a proselytizing Commander’s reprisals is not a life worth living. “See something say something!”
How many military members wear religious adornments on their uniforms? None! Because it’s disruptive, violates the constitution, and diminishes the “Good Order and Discipline” of our secular military!
The same applies to proselytizing.
Speak up. Don’t put up with it! You can very politely tell them to “fuck off” (in different words of course)
Every military member has a boss and their boss has a boss. A senior military leader has no patience for his energies being spent working on a complaint filed against one of his subordinate Commanders for religious harassment – an otherwise non-problem caused by the offending Commander. Trust me, the offending Commander will bear the brunt of the senior leader’s wrath for creating a problem that didn’t exist and causing the senior leader to spend hours unnecessarily over the stupidity of the subordinate Commander’s actions.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant!
Ironmoped, one of your statements is not quite correct. You asked “How many military members wear religious adornments on their uniforms?” The answer is not quite “none”. Chaplains traditionally do wear insignia indicating their denomination, which are pretty standard religious symbols usually (cross, Star of David, crescent, etc.) They, however, are a special case and not in the chain of command.
I stand corrected. With the exception of Chaplains. I was thinking of uniform wear regulations for other than the Chaplain population. Thanks for the correction!
My relatively little exposure to a Chaplain was during boot camp Sunday mass. I only went to get away from assigned drill instructors for an hour! :-)
You always stand corrected.
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Ronnie: the constitutional right to freedom of religion requires that the laws accommodate and respect the diversity of religious beliefs among us. The young woman in the video is not showing such respect for the religious views of her fellow service members. Her question, “What would Jesus do?” should prompt a response from non-Christians that it matters not to us what Jesus would do, even if he really existed and preached as described in the gospels.
What matters in the US military is what the regulations and constitution require for maintaining basic rights, unit cohesion, and readiness – that is, a respect and accommodation of the diverse views on religion among service members. The Pentagon has issued specific regulations clarifying that the officially recognized religious groups in the armed forces include such diverse belief systems as Wicca, paganism, humanism, Buddhism, and many more. The list includes atheists and theists, Christians and non-Christians, whether you like it or you don’t. Any other policy would make a mockery out of what our brave men and women have done and sacrificed on the battlefield for our country, the values and laws the country is based on, and all of its citizens of every creed and of none.
Christians are gonna have to get themselves a new Messiah! Jesus is way too “woke” for the MAGA crowd!
I can hear them now, “Hang Jesus Christ,” “Hang Jesus Christ,” “Hang Jesus Christ!”
Ironmoped: the behavior of many shows that they espouse a belief in the Jesus of the gospels, but they don’t really believe in the values Jesus is alleged to have promoted. Similarly, they claim to respect the constitution and laws of the country, but their behavior reveals their hypocrisy and dishonesty.
You nailed it Jeff, wish I had answers that would get through but it’s near impossible. It’s a cult, dripping with hypocrisy.