“Jews do not go to heaven”
From: (Spouse of Active Duty USAF Pilot/MRFF Client’s E-mail Address Withheld)
Subject: “Jews do not go to heaven”
Date: August 5, 2022 at 9:08:40 AM MDT
To: Information Weinstein <[email protected]>
Hello Mr. Weinstein and the wonderful women and men of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
It’s been a few months since you and the MRFF helped my husband and I to deal with a toxic situation at his military workplace (which is often the AF flight line) involving religion which had caused us great harm and distress.
We are an Air Force family and my husband is in it for a career.
He is of the Jewish faith and I am Christian (Baptist). My dad is a baptist pastor. In fact he and a rabbi both officiated at our wedding. We have 3 young kids and we are doing our best to try to delicately raise them within the positive aspects of both faiths. It’s not easy but that task is our business alone and should not be of concern to the Air Force.
My husband’s (command title withheld) Commander was nonstop in pestering him at work to attend the weekly Bible study he and his wife host every Wednesday evening at their home. They live on base and so do we. The nagging was incessant and during duty hours. It became out of control when one day his commander told my husband that he should attend the Bible study with me if my husband “had any desire to be in heaven with your wife and children after you die because unsaved Jews do not go to heaven.”
My husband became very angry. His commander has so much control over my husband’s AF career and also over our family’s future as a result. He told his (command title withheld) Commander to his face “leave me and my family alone about your Bible study group!” in front of others in the (USAF unit name withheld) who had also witnessed the boss’ statement to him about “unsaved Jews” not going to heaven.
My husband is a pilot and graduated from the AF Academy in the year 201X. He had met Mr. Weinstein when he spoke to a large gathering at the AF Academy one time. So he fortunately knew all about the MRFF. We talked about it and agreed that my husband and I would call Mr. Weinstein to get the MRFF’s advice as to how to handle this on duty harassment from his AF boss.
So we called him late on a weekday night. Mr. Weinstein could not have been more kind and compassionate and helpful in carefully laying out our options to fight back. He also made us aware of some AF regs which were right on point in our favor and against what was being done to us by my husband’s boss.
In the end we asked Mr. Weinstein to handle the matter personally because we did not have confidence that the AF agencies who are supposed to help would do so. Also, this particular (command title withheld) Commander had quite a reputation for strong-arming other members of the (USAF unit name withheld) to attend his and his wife’s weekly Bible studies. And nobody else apparently had ever objected to our knowledge.
Mr. Weinstein called several officers in my husband’s chain of command and within the next day or so the Bible study harassment just stopped flat out!.
My husband’s boss has never said anything to my husband about it all or as to an apology. We are both pretty nervous regarding when my husband’s next officer’s rating report is to come out. Also, I ran into the wife of my husband’s (command title withheld) Commander at the base commissary with her children in tow shortly after all of this happened. She gave me a very nasty look and took off quickly with her grocery cart and kids.
I’m sorry it took us so long to write a note of thanks but we will never forget this intervention by the MRFF to bring peace back to our lives.
My husband’s Jewish faith should never have been used by his commander to force us both to come to those Bible studies put on by him and his wife.
If anything bad happens going forward we will not hesitate to call the MRFF again. And we want other military families to know about the MRFF and that there is hope and a place to go where they will fight for you. Please do not use our identities or other information beyond what we’ve approved in this letter.
(name of USAF pilot’s wife withheld, USAF installation and location name withheld
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The burden of proof is on the believer ….
No proof?
No heaven!
No hell
No gods
et cetera
A falsehood does not magically morph into a truth
regardless of the number of believers in the unproven.
Wishful thinking applies.
Stan
In science there is no requirement to prove a negatve
Evidence Evidence Evidence ….. Provide the Evidence and I will re-think all of this
Stan Levin
“Jews don’t go to Heaven?”
These Trumpers are bat shit crazy! Of course this Commander is a fucking Trumper. Dumb as a bag of hammers! The real question is, “how did this idiot get to be a Commander?”
The 2nd in Command is Jewish according to Christians! You know, the one seated at the right hand of The Father? His only begotten son? “Begotten” from a Jewish girl, the Jewish virgin bride of another man? Technically a bastard child if the story is to be believed.
The Jew you have to go through to get to The Father? The Jew Christians pray to? Yep, that’s the very one!
And Jews don’t go to Heaven! The guy running the place is Jewish!
For fuck sake! Will they ever get a clue? This guy should be charged, article 134, conduct unbecoming.
This sort of thing infuriates me. My post-college work life has been in a field and location where a manager pestering a direct report over a religious issue would be booted out on the street so fast, the process would be a blur to them. How much better ought the environment be for service people? Those folks have a whole lot on their plate that we civilians can at best be dimly aware of (I used to work for a defense contractor and had the privilege of dealing directly with some of the users of the equipment, so I at least engaged with them!) and then, they have most of the crap that we deal with on their plates as well. Some proselytizing jerk will not be any help at all, no matter their religion, but most religions don’t have the extreme proselytizing end that Christianity does.
I’m very glad that MRFF was able to get someone in the chain of command to wield a clue-by-four, but I, too, am worried about the serviceman who was the victim of this proselytizing crap. Having been both a lead engineer and an engineering manager, I’m acutely aware of how a few suggestive phrases in support of a poor review can be difficult to countermand by the victim–er, employee–and deny that person even a cost-of-living raise. Not that I ever did that, but I understood how it was done to a few others in other departments, where my word had no value. But those victims were able to go out and find another job, usually almost immediately, in our tech-heavy area. Service people can’t do that. Often they don’t want to, either, they like being in their organization. they’ve had amazing training, and they have an overall mission that they can justifiably commit themselves to. Signing up to defend the US Constitution is so far beyond making (even technically advanced) widgets for XYZ company, that there is no comparison.
May many blessings be bestowed on the letter writer, her husband, and their family, and I won’t argue with anyone where those might come from.
Glad you can help and the matter was resolved. Or, was it? The rating system and “old boys network” in a weapons system may be used by the commander to ding this pilot. Hope it doesn’t happen.
When I was not a grey one I searched all the religions looking for spiritual answers. I found each flavor of faith had their own take on what happens when we die with many ideologies dovetailing together. Bottom line is no one ‘knows’ what happens when life ends. No one.
That said, Christian Nationalists love to wield heaven and hell as weapons of control over their parishioners, with amazing claims (looking at you pink haired lady) of what is waiting for the faithful few. It’s all imagination as I say again, no one has ever brought back proof from being dead. Lots of ideas; no evidence.
Christian Nationalists are the text book example as to why faith needs to remain a personal matter, covered as we cover our genitalia when in public.
As I’ve said here before, when religion is banned from the public square it will be entirely the fault of Christian Nationalists, not that they will accept responsibility. Wanna be martyrs the lot of them.
Well they got that correct, Jews do not go to heaven unless they accept Christ as their Lord, Savior and Messiah, in the same way Gentiles do not go to heaven if they not accept Christ either as their Lord and Savior. Jesus said Himself there is only one way to heaven and eternal life, and that is through Christ. Even scripture says there is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved, and that is by the name of Jesus. The woman who said she is a Baptist and married a Jewish person violated scripture, for God’s Word says that we are not to marry a non-believer in Christ.
‘We the People’ ascribes his personal idea of faith onto all Americans. How very Christian Nationalist of you We.
There is no mention of another religions vision of heaven in your specifically Christian holy book.
Huh. Weird!? Right?
Like maybe one needs to read the holy books of other faiths to find out the requirements to get into their version of the perfect afterlife.
Christian Nationalists; think they possess the only theological answer to the age old question of what happens when we are dead, refuse to look around to see if they are correct.
(Honestly I’d rather not hang out with such folks in the afterlife. Well, maybe in Valhalla. Yeah, pretty sure they wouldn’t enjoy my idea of heaven. LOL)
I couldn’t care less about how to go to heaven. I’m more interested in how the heavens go!
Give my slot to one of your MAGA friends. I prefer the eternal suffering over the tyranny of your heavenly North Korea!
There’s more empirical evidence for the tooth fairy than there is for your Christian “savior!”
What’s he saving you from? The Hell he created for those that won’t lick his sandals?
What has he done for mankind? Did he cure cancer? Did he do away with congenital birth defects? How about natural disasters that kill hundreds of thousands? Stop any wars? Does he make sure everyone has healthcare? For the love of Christ will someone tell me what he’s done? Except create a special place he will send you where you will burn in eternal torment if you don’t tell him you love him! What an insecure asshole!
Marrying a Jew violates “scripture?” Give me a break – your Christian “savior” is a Jew!
If there were such a thing as sin, willful ignorance would be at the top of the list! And Christians have that in spades!
so……you have to go through a Jew to get into heaven but can’t be a Jew, is that what you’re saying?
Explain it to us, let’s hear some more of that Christian ignorance.
No wonder religion makes so much money!
Convince people they’re born in sin and that you hold the key to redemption and they’ll give you lots of money in perpetuity!
Jesus himself said that there is only one way into heaven and that is through him? What a petulant little narcissist your Christ is. Wonder what his mother would say about that! “Now Jesus. That’s not very nice! You don’t burn people and gloat over it! I know you love the smell of burning flesh but it’s not nice! You stop that! They’re your creation, so if anyone’s to blame, it’s you! And don’t forget, I’m still your mother young man!”
The Biggest Con ever!