I Thought America was about religious Freedom

Dear Mikey,

I see on your Facebook page that you are involved in many things.  No stones unturned.  I hope you are finally getting the “fame” you are so desperate for.

And that wall you keep talking about…………between religion and the State?  I thought America wasn’t about walls?  I thought America was about religious freedom.
The following is not Snowflake friendly but is in the Bill of RIGHTS.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

(name withheld)


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

Dear (name withheld),

Your rather intemperate message includes an unwarranted judgment, a fair amount of confusion about the law and an apparent lack of comprehension of the meaning of the First Amendment.

Let me first say your snide comment about Mr. Weinstein’s motives in this work is quite rude and betrays both a judgmental nature that is not becoming and a complete lack of class. I wish I could say it was beneath you, but I don’t know how low you’re willing to stoop.

You say you “thought America was about religious freedom.” We think so, too. But freedom of religion for some, we find, means the freedom to shove their view down the throats of others, said other often deemed less enlightened. Or perhaps not “saved.”

The wall about which you seem so perturbed was propounded not by Mr. Weinstein but by the Founders of this nation. They, as do we, understood the difference between walls that separate people and walls intended to prevent the kind of legal confusion from which you apparently suffer. You might consider the legal term ‘estop.’

Or perhaps look up Thomas Jefferson, for one, who wrote: “I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.”

I’m not sure I understand your ‘snowflake’ reference, but I can say with certainty that Mr. Weinstein would welcome your apology.

With hope.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish
Dear (name withheld),

Snowflake: a person too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenges their own.

 

Many snowflakes make an avalanche and we plus others are many.

 

Here are some things that are not snowflake friendly to you, either.

 

We are neither an atheist organization nor are we anti-Christian. Mikey is Jewish (and prays to the same Father we do 3 times a day) and 80% of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters (300 in total) of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) are Christians. In fact, 96% of our 50,200+ military clients are mainline Christians and we fight for them more than any other belief or non-belief.

 

We also have many honorable and distinguished military personnel, whom we rely on for their expertise on religion in the military, on our Board and Advisory Board.

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/foundation-voices/

Check out our Mission Statement

https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/about/our-mission/

We are defenders of the Constitution (Separation of Church and State), Supreme Court rulings and the UCMJ.

 

“…but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” (Article I, III)

This means that from the President to Congress to the military – no one’s job is based on their religion.

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (Establishment Clause), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Free Exercise Clause).”(First Amendment)

 

The Establishment Clause means that you cannot favor one religion over another even though it is in the majority. This clause respects the RIGHTS of all religions. Our military is SECULAR and there are people of other faiths that don the uniform that love this country.

 

The Free Exercise Clause (which is subservient to the Establishment Clause) means that our soldiers are free to exercise any religion they want or no religion at all but cannot elevate one God above others.

“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320.

This is his second known use of the term “wall of separation,” here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter.

 

This wording of the original was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause.

 

Here’s that wall that you don’t believe exists.

 

“Jefferson’s concept of “separation of church and state” first became a part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878). In that case, the court examined the history of religious liberty in the US, determining that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, “The word ‘religion’ is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted.” The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the “separation” paragraph from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, “coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.

 

In 1878 “separation of church and state” (wall) became part of the Establishment Clauseby law.

 

The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause

 

Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test:

 

Government action violates the Establishment Clause unless it:
1. has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose,
2. does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion
3. does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion

 

Parker v. Levy.

“This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society… While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. … The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it… Speech [in any form] that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command.  If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected.” (Emphasis added) Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 1974

 

To entangle the military with religion is a violation of the Constitution, Reynolds v. U.S., Lemon v. Kurtzman, the Lemon Test and Parker v. Levy.

 

“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

 

“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787

 

“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”

Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813

“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788

“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion

“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.” 

James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, EcclesiasticalEndowments

 

“God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773

 

“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution. What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.”

James Madison 1785 Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments

 

“Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”

As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom

 

Mikey and MRFF are not out for fame but protection for all of our military personnel to practice their religious beliefs or non-belief.

 

You need to get up to speed on the history and laws of our country.

 

Joan Slish

MRFF Advisory Board Member


Dear Joan,

 

Thank you for your extensive reply and the cut and paste quotes.  I can see that you put a goodly amount of effort into your reply and I appreciate it.  I will study the email more extensively and research.  However, I have some cut and paste quotes myself………and these are quotes of Mikey’s and I have to beg to differ with you.  He doesn’t sound supportive of religion at all.   I live in Colorado Springs and we have experienced much of Mikey’s antagonism here through billboards, news articles and letters to the editor and his extensive work to end religious expression.  Not sure where the anger and vitiol originate from, but he might be well served taking it down a notch if he wants his “enemies, the Evangelical Church”, to listen to his mission.

Mikey Weinstein reportedly described his anti-Christian organization MRFF: “We are a weapon. We’re a militant organization. Our job is to kick ass, take names, lay down a withering field of fire, and leave sucking chest wounds on this unconstitutional heart of darkness, if you will, this imperious fascistic contagion of unconstitutional triumphalism.”
www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/jewsingreen_haleyized.html

 

And taking it down a notich will help with his anger issues.  Perhaps it is because Mikey sees antisemtism in every Christian and he is, in his own words,  intent on giving  “a beating” to any whom he suspects  might be anti-semitic.  I certainly hope Mikey  begins to care if he lives or dies.  ( “When I see anti-Semitism, I don’t f**king care if I live or die, someone’s going to get a f**king beating.”Those words didn’t seem too rational).    I wish him well………..and some peace.

Most folks so react to his anger and his vitriolic words that they totally miss his purpose and stop listening and start opposing……….unless that is his purpose.    It sure seems like it from Mikey’s own words cut and pasted below.

 

Your definition of snowflake is spot on and I must say, from the quotes below it seems to fit Mikey:  Snowflake: a person too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenges their own.

 

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WASHINGTON, May 2, 2013 /Christian Newswire/ — This week President Obama’s Pentagon reportedly confirmed consulting the anti-Christian activist Mikey Weinstein before officially threatening to court-martial soldiers who talk about Jesus Christ.

www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/05/01/Breaking-Pentagon-Confirms-Will-Court-Martial-Soldiers-Who-Share-Christian-Faith

Who is Mikey Weinstein, and why is he trusted to advise the Pentagon? Read Mikey’s own litany of vulgar, hateful words against millions of evangelical Christians and Jews who serve in the U.S. military:

  1. Mikey Weinstein has declared war on millions of Christians, saying on tape “We are at war with a sub-set of evangelical Christianity…how many? Roughly 12.6% of the American public or 38 million people.”
    persuade.tv/MikeyAtWar.mp3
  2. Mikey Weinstein has reportedly sued Christians, or the Military to silence Christians 5 times, and failed in all 5 lawsuits, with 0 surviving to trial. Despite his failure he feigns expertise on the Constitution, threatening to sue again.
    christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2012/04/04/michael-weinstein-loses-lawsuit-against-imprecatory-chaplain
  3. Mikey Weinstein reportedly told one inteviewer: “The biggest crime I accuse the religious right of and it’s a blood libel, a crime against humanity is torturing that concept…My response is: F**k you. F**k you. How dare you?”
    www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  4. Mikey Weinstein routinely threatens violence, reportedly saying “When I see anti-Semitism, I don’t f**king care if I live or die, someone’s going to get a f**king beating.”
    newhumanist.org.uk/1681
  5. Mikey Weinstein reportedly demanded the Army court-martial its Chief of Chaplains for announcing an interfaith day of prayer: “The Military Religious Freedom Foundation [MRFF] sought Maj. Gen. Douglas Carver’s ouster on the day Carver designated for prayer and fasting for chaplains…Foundation President Mikey Weinstein…alleging widespread religious discrimination within the military called Wednesday for the Army to court martial its chief of chaplains…”
    www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/ap_ouster.html
  6. Mikey Weinstein reportedly hires eight different law firms and five PR agencies to wage his war against Christians, saying “It’s time to stop doing nothing…I’m now going to lay down in a withering field of fire, kick ass, take names and leave sucking chest wounds…We are at war, I agree with my friend…We are at war.”
    www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  7. Mikey Weinstein reportedly described his anti-Christian organization MRFF: “We are a weapon. We’re a militant organization. Our job is to kick ass, take names, lay down a withering field of fire, and leave sucking chest wounds on this unconstitutional heart of darkness, if you will, this imperious fascistic contagion of unconstitutional triumphalism.”
    www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/jewsingreen_haleyized.html
  8. Mikey Weinstein targets evangelical Christian chaplains, reportedly saying: “Either you stay quiet and let the evangelical chaplains shape a generation of the most powerful instrument of death the world has ever known into an army for Jesus, or you speak up. I couldn’t stay quiet…today we face a new danger; the rise of the ‘fundamentalist Christian, parachurch, military corporate proselytizing complex.'”
    www.moaablogs.org/battleofthebilge/2009/07/mikeyvsgoliath
  9. Mikey Weinstein reportedly threatened violence to a former Navy Chaplain, saying “I would like to beat the s**t out of him in a boxing ring or in an alley behind a Safeway.” Mikey later sued (and failed) to stop the Chaplain from publicly praying the Psalms to God.
    christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2010/06/03/weinstein-fails-to-intimidate-with-lawsuit-military-complaint
  10. Mikey Weinstein is now being sued for defamation by that same chaplain, who is accepting donations to the “Sue Mikey Weinstein Fund.”
    www.prayinjesusname.org/2012/12/chaplain-sues-mikey-weinstein-original-documents
  11. Mikey Weinstein reportedly denigrates Pentecostal Christians, saying “Our Pentagon has been turned into a Pentacostalgon, and our department of defense has been turned into an imperious, vicioustic, contagion of unconstitutional triumphalism by people that want to kill us, or have their version of Jesus kill us, if we don’t accept their Biblical worldview.”
    www.examiner.com/article/military-religious-freedom-foundation-complains-about-franklin-graham
  12. Mikey Weinstein reportedly traded in his yellow Viper in 2006 (which may have replaced the red one he had in 2004) for a Lotus, and who took home compensation of more than $250,000 from his non-profit organization in 2008.
    christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2010/01/06/weinstein-v-ammerman-continued
  13. Mikey Weinstein labels Bible-believing Christians as monsters, writing that “those evil, fundamentalist Christian creatures and their spiritual heirs have taken refuge behind flimsy, well-worn, gauze-like euphemistic facades such as ‘family values’ and ‘religious liberty.'”
    www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/fundamentalist-christian-_b_3072651.html
  14. Mikey Weinstein reportedly said: “General Petraeus has, by his own hand, become a quintessential poster child of this fundamentalist Christian religious predation, via his unadulterated and shocking public endorsement of a book touting both Christian supremacy and exceptionalism…Petraeus’s immediate dismissal and trial by General Courts-Martial under Article 134 is not merely warranted but demanded!”
    christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2010/07/09/mcchrystal-petraeus-replacement-hurts-us-muslim-relations
  15. Mikey Weinstein reportedly called Sarah Palin a “virulently homophobic, virulently misogynistic, virulently anti-Semitic and Islamophobic… premillennial, dispensational, reconstructionist, dominionist, evangelical, fundamentalist Christian.”
    christianfighterpilot.com/blog/2010/03/05/weinstein-defines-religions-assigns-followers
  16. Mikey Weinstein reportedly believes Bible-believing Christians are like the Taliban, saying “Basically what we’re facing are Fundamentalist, Dominionist Christians that are preying — P-R-A-Y and P-R-E-Y — on non-Fundamentalist Christians including in many respects other evangelical Christians that are just not fundamentalist Christians, telling them that, ‘you may think you were Christian enough for us but you’re not. And as a result, you will burn eternally in the fires of Hell along with the Jews.'”
    www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18334.htm
  17. Mikey Weinstein reportedly makes anti-Semitic comments against Jews: “They’re bad. That includes our folks, the Orthodox, the others…The JWV has no spine. I’ve been completely depressed. They haven’t reached out at all, they seem to have absolutely no balls whatsoever. Somehow I think they and the ADL, Abe Foxman, have confused circumcision with castration. I don’t see any balls at all from any of them, so my response is ‘go back to collecting your dues.'”
    www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/jewsingreen_haleyized.html
  18. Mikey Weinstein reportedly blames evangelical Christians for the Holocaust, saying “I’m not just talking about the Holocaust or the Inquisition or the four Crusades, I’m not just talking about the Black Plague; it’s the transition from Plan A to Plan B. In Plan A, evangelical Christians with a smile on their face will ask you to please, please, please accept their biblical worldview of Jesus. The problem with that is, inevitably, Plan A morphs into Plan B. They stop asking so nicely, and then you have the Holocaust, the pogroms, the Inquisition…”
    www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  19. Mikey Weinstein reportedly believes religious people may not wear a military uniform: “Whatever religious belief you have Judaism, Christian, agnostic, et cetera wear whatever clothes you want, you just can’t wear Uncle Sam’s clothes. What is so hard to understand about this?”
    www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  20. Mikey Weinstein reportedly threatened NAE President and Pastor Ted Haggard with a fistfight.
    www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  21. Mikey Weinstein reportedly was asked if he wants to ban people from saying “God bless you” when someone sneezes, and replied: “If standing up for the Constitution makes you a godless secular leftist or an arch secularist, well, like I’ve said before, gee, you say that like it’s a bad thing.”
    www.csindy.com/colorado/mikeys-mission/Content?oid=1132893
  22. Mikey Weinstein labels evangelical Christians as terrorists, reportedly saying “We are facing a national security threat in this country that is every bit as significant in magnitude, width and breadth internally as that presented externally by the now-resurgent Taliban and al-Qaeda…We are facing an absolute fundamentalist Christianisation — a Talibanisation — of the US Marine Corps, Army, Navy, and Air Force.”
    newhumanist.org.uk/1681
  23. Mikey Weinstein believes that Christian groups like the American Family Association (AFA), the Family Research Council (FRC), and the Chaplains Alliance for Religious Liberty (CARL) are correctly characterized as “hate groups” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.
    www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-l-weinstein/fundamentalist-christian-_b_3072651.html
  24. Mikey Weinstein reportedly threatened Christian soldiers who talk about Jesus with nuclear missiles, saying “we’re very close to going back in again with nuclear-tipped missiles to lay down that withering field of fire and leave sucking chest wounds to protect the right of members of our US Military from not being forced to accept a particular religious faith over all others.”
    newhumanist.org.uk/1681
  25. Mikey Weinstein reportedly labels many popular Christian fellowship groups the “draconian spectre of command influence to push this weaponised Gospel of Jesus Christ. It’s very digital, one and zero. Either you accept our view, or either we or our version of Jesus will have to kill you, and our version of Jesus will light you up on fire for Eternity, so you’re really gonna be dead.”
    rationalist.org.uk/articles/1681/backward-christian-soldiers
  26. Mikey Weinstein hates Christians who support Jews in Israel, reportedly saying: “They love us to death. Literally that. They’ve got to place us in Israel. They’ve got to make sure there’s Israeli hegemony over as much as of the Middle East as possible. They have so much to do… ‘We love you Jews. We love you Jews.’ (claps hands) ‘Places everyone, all the Jews go to Israel. We gotta strengthen Israel.’… Supportive of Israel and Judaism for their own twisted agenda, eh? That’s f**ked up, bigtime!”
    www.jewsingreen.com/2007/08/an-interview-with-mikey-weinstein
  27. Mikey Weinstein reportedly calls evangelicals in the military “a virulently dominionist, fundamentalist evangelical Christian element within the Pentagon. They would prefer this to be the ‘Pentecostalgon,’ not the Pentagon…. they don’t have the mental wherewithal to understand that to a person who isn’t an evangelical Christian, you’re calling our faith a cancer.”
    www.salon.com/2006/12/13/weinstein_3
  28. Mikey Weinstein reportedly believes “evangelicals are trying to turn his beloved military into a ‘frickin’ faith-based initiative.’ These people should be court-martialed.”
    www.salon.com/2006/12/13/weinstein_3
  29. Mikey Weinstein reportedly believes a Jewish chaplain should be court-martialed. Concerning a Messianic Jewish chaplain who may have intercepted materials intended for an Orthodox Soldier while deployed to Iraq, Mikey reportedly said “that chaplain should be immediately court martialed. He should be f**king court martialed. I’m speaking as a JAG… Charges should be referred against him immediately for a general court martial.”
    www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/jewsingreen_haleyized.html
  30. Mikey Weinstein routinely compares evangelical Christians to terrorists, reportedly saying “It’s a fundamentalist Christian-Constitution fight…This represents a perfect, quintessential example of the fact that our United States military has become infused, essentially, with the Christian mirror image of the type of Islam that is pushed by al-Qaida and the Taliban.”
    www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/press-releases/ap_ouster.htm

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish

Dear (name withheld),

Mikey tried playing nice but got nowhere because the military ignores the laws I sent you. He has to be bellicose sometimes to get their attention.  
 
You are not privy to the death threats and anti-Semitic emails Mikey gets on a daily basis – from Christians. Some were so bad they had to be turned over to the legal authorities. I’ve read them.  
 
Would you be so calm with a daily barrage of this and having to live in fear?
 
You are not privy to the emails we receive from military personnel that are continually putting up with in-your-face religious proselytizing, poor performance ratings, advancements withheld and being forced out the military on trumped up charges – all in the name of Jesus because they will not convert.  
 
It’s an outright lie that Mikey has any influence on the Pentagon and that he was an advisor to President Obama. This is Fake News.  
 
Mikey does not hate Christians but has 80% of them on his Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters. Ninety-six percent of our clients are Christians.
 
 
 
Many fights we have never go to court because they are settled out of court. They know they would lose based on our laws.
 
While Mikey was a Cadet at the USAFA, he was beaten twice – once left for dead – because he is a Jew.
 
Mikey was a JAG Officer for the Air Force  for 7 years and worked in the White House under Ronald Reagan for 3 years.
 
Mikey’s job is 24/7. He sleeps with his phone to his ear to answer any phone calls from our service members overseas.
 
Step into his shoes just one day and see what he deals with.
 
Joan
 

My Dear Joan,

I thank you for your informative email.  If what you say about the death threats, the vicious emails, and the anti-Semitism is true, and I have no reason to doubt your claims, but  I  must verify so that  I have Truth, it is appalling to me.  

If Mikey was beaten twice and once left for dead because he was a Jew, then shame on those who did this and they deserve the strongest punishment of the Law.  And of course, I am for anyone who deprives another of his rights including the right to believe as he chooses even and especially when it is not my choice of faith. 

I would very  much like to know more of what trials Mikey faces.  I shall do a thorough fact check of all you have sent me.  I seek only to know the Truth.  In fact, I have been praying for Mikey for some years.  I wish him no ill, but I think he must know that his vitriolic words do not achieve as much for him in getting folks to “hear him” as your letter and the tone of it has caused me to reconsider and be more open to both sides and seek the Truth.  Right is right and wrong is wrong.  

Let me clear a couple of things up for both sides.  A true follower of Jesus does not “get in one’s face”.  A true Christian lives the Life Jesus lived as an example and gives others the right to choose or reject it.  Often Christians in name only forget that.  I am so sorry for those who have done otherwise.  Again, I am abhored at what happened to Mikey on the AFA.  May the anger that fuels his zeal not ruin his life.  It can cause high blood pressure and a host of other things.  The best revenge is a life well lived.  Mikey deserves that.  

I must do more research before I make up my mind what is Truth, but I guarentee you that I will be open and I will be mindful of what I have learned today.  I know that Mikey must be a very intelligent and zealous person.  I admire that.  I truly do wish him the best.  I promise not to let the anger I felt over Mikey’s words about Christians cloud my quest for  Truth or cause me to overgeneralize.  I hope Mikey will not let the anger he feels over what some Christians (in name only) did to him ruin his endeavor for Justice.  I was most touched with the story of Mikey sleeping with his phone ready to assist any soldier who called.  I salute him for that.  

My future daughter-in-law is Jewish, I have two pagans children, one Christian, one agnostic, and one lapsed Catholic, and one from a Masonic home.  We get along.  Each of us is in an endeavor to find the Truth of Who God is.  I encourage them to make that the numer one priority of their temporal lives.  In the end, it’s not something we want to be wrong about.  Yet, it is an individual quest and one that deserves respect whatever the chosen outcome.  There is a place in the Market for ideas, but just as we have the choice to spend our money on the items we most want, we also have the right to spend our energies on the Faith we each believe is Truth.  

Again, I hope Mikey will entertain that some of his bellicose statements defeat his purpose…..at least the support he might get in the wider audience.  This email of yours and its tone was most welcome and caused me to reconsider what my understanding of this issue is.  Like Mikey, who bristles at  anti-semitic words because they are unwarranted Christian bashing is neither welcome nor fruitful because it is also unwarranted and overgeneralized.  
I can see where mixing power with an inadequate understanding of Who Jesus was could cause extreme duress and injustice.   

Let’s you and I seek to have a forum for understanding?  Let it start with us.  

Again, I thank you for this pleasant and informative letter.  Really.  And I wish you a good and fruitful day and let us both…………..let us all seek to have Truth.  So many just want their own way and Truth falls by the wayside.  May we not be of that ilk.  I have often found in most relationships that misunderstanding is at the source of conflict.  

Thank you for your work and diligence on behalf of our soldiers.  
Let it be known that I hate anti-Semitism from whatever source.  It is most vile.

Extending a hand of friendship to you and to Mikey and to your organization.  

(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish
Oh,  (name withheld),
You brought me to tears with these kind words because it rarely happens.
I would love to continue our talks.
Here’s something I neglected to send you:
“In 2005, Major Chaplain James Linzey said on a video “Remember, the demons believe in Jesus Christ. They believe in the truth — see that’s Jesus Christ — and they tremble… They are as scared as little tiny mice running up and down the curtains in the cathedrals. Now, they’re in the cathedrals. They’re in the churches. They’re controlling pulpits. That’s how mainstream Protestantism has declined. Because they invaded the churches, and the mainstream Protestant churches stopped hearing the truth. So they want to squelch the truth by taking over the church. Now, this is not in my notes, but I was inspired by God because these are demonic, dastardly creatures from the pit of hell, and we need to stomp them out.”
 
Catholics, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Methodist – all mainline Christian military personnel – are being told this. We fight for these Christian rights more than any others.
Here’s the link to read the emails we get and responses: https://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/category/mrffs-inbox/
Here’s a recent one:
– March 23, 2017
Yo Mickey. Your a goddamn disgrace to America.
I hope you get fucked by the greatness of Trump even harder than my posse and me will be fucking your wife tonight.
Consensual.
She begged us.
We’ll send you the sex tape.
jews can’t satisfy Christian women. Any better than they can serve as loyal soldiers.
(name withheld)
Mikey has received numerous emails relating to his wife which are disgusting.
As a retired Christian Pastor, we are Sisters in Christ.
Looking forward to our continuing dialogue.
May God bless your socks off!
Joan

Dear Joan,

I am ashamed and appalled at that email below.  I find it inexcusable.  Totally frightening and disgraceful.  I am at a loss for words and I HATE it that Mikey receives emails like that.  I shall pray for his protection.  

And the quote from Chaplain James Linzey was right on.  Thank you for sharing it.  Let us remember to stomp the demons who effect that people, and not the people.

You deserve kind words.  I look forward to our talks as well.  Thank you for sharing that email even though I recoil at the words.  It is just sooooo wrong on so many levels.

Have a blessed day.  Perhaps we shall become great friends, my sister.  Give my best to Mikey.  We may or may not agree, time and research will tell, but he has my respect.  I hope to be able to inquire with you any information I may run across so that I get your side of the story.  Mikey’s  work deserves that respect.

(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish
Dear (name withheld)
I would be honored to be your friend and respond to anything you come across in the future.
We may not agree on everything but I think we can come to a consensus on some. 
I will pass on to Mikey your kind words.
Blessings,
Joan

 

 

 

 

 

 

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5 Comments

  1. Joshua Rownd

    “But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. 6 For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, 7 always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.” 2 Timothy 3:1-7

    Does this not describe Mikey and those related to MRFF, it sure does.

  2. G

    You have any solid evidence to back up that 2 Timothy 3:1-7 is describing the members of the MRFF, JR?

  3. Connie

    G – evidence is for liberals and those too foolish to blindly accept the word of a Dominionist. I wish that statement was sarcastic but you and I both know it’s not.

    As for JR, they believe their quote fits because they don’t accept facts, only their preconceived notions. To them Mikey and the MRFF are the embodiment of evil.

    I read this exchange earlier and it brought a bit of moisture to my eyes. I love it when people meet and exchange ideas, understanding that the other persons faith is just as valid as their own. Of course JR has to tear this down. If it isn’t cookie cutter perfect it isn’t the JR brand of Twue Christianity (as opposed to any other Dominionist flavor of Christ).

    I am so glad humans are evolving away from JRs ideas of who and what is good or bad. Beyond glad to be honest. The future belongs to the Grey and that is a bright idea indeed.

  4. Connie

    JR wrote: “Case in point Mikey, he is many of the above – lovers of self, proud, arrogant, abusive, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit,”

    So writes the man who is proud, arrogant, unappeasable, and swollen with conceit.

    JR, you know yourself so well! I guess this makes you an ‘enlightened’ two dimensional character.

  5. G

    “…..he is many of the above – lovers of self, proud, arrogant, abusive, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit,

    Again, JR, you have no evidence to back up your statement, although those remarks of yours fit you to a tee as Connie pointed out.

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