We came to your debate

Dear Mr. Weinstein.

Please do not reply to this email address as it cannot accept replies. We want to keep our names out of this please. Unlike you we are private people.

My husband and I and our next door neighbors from Denver all came to your recent debate at Colo. Christian Univ. We are committed Christians who don’t just “think” our faith is right because we ‘suspect” that it is. We know it is right. And the only one which is as says John 14:6. There are no other exceptions.

We have heard and seen a lot about you through the years. To be honest we expected the worst when we heard you were to be invited to the debate. But I must say however that you were very pleasant and nice. Even though it is very clear that you do not understand where you are going to go after you die unless you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. It is sad that you reject the Lord and we grieve for your eternal fate and that of your family.

Hell is a real place and it looks like you are going to be a permanent resident there but we hope not.

You said some funny things too which made us laugh but mostly you were firm and not mean. You are a smart guy. But we feel so badly that you cannot allow yourself to come to walk with our Lord. Because hell is not very funny Mr. Weinstein. Do you really want to join all of those who are suffering in hell for rejecting the Word and the Son? Isn’t the choice pretty simple and straight forward? Your a lawyer and seem be real smart. But in saying no to Jesus you are unwise and will pay dearly for your rejection of his Love.

Our neighbors and us had a bible study at their house the next night with other friends. And we talked about this debate a lot. We could not help but notice all of the security  activities and precautions. What looked like a lot of guards and police. A lot around you especially after the debate when people came over to try to talk to you. Was all of that really necessary as this debate was held at a Christian university campus where love is King and not hate? I could understand it if you spoke at a godless place like UCAL Berkeley or CU Boulder.  But what do you have to fear from the followers of Jesus Christ? It is us Christians and not you jewish nonbelievers who are facing hate and need the guards.

Please consider the major role you play with our military. And the serious consequences of your ungodly crusade to take the Love and Peace of Jesus Christ away from those who need it most. Our brave mens and women in uniform. You try to justify this with the constitution but the constitution allows Jesus to be heard and not silenced. American history and Christian history cannot be separated Mr. Weinstein. Why do you fight against this obvious fact?

You are still the Number One persecutor of Christians who fight for this country. We pray that like Paul you will have your moment of clarity on your own Road to Damascus. If it never happens you will only have yourself to blame. And for rejecting the One who is your only ticket out of hell. You need to fear hell and get right with Jesus. He loves you. Even as you try your hardest to eliminate him from our military.

Anyways I just wanted to give you some of our thoughts and to thank you for coming for the debate. Your resume and your family are really impressive but your all missing one thing. Acceptance of the free Love of Jesus.

Sincerely in Christ,

A believing Christian mother and wife who is praying for you to stop your persecution of us and to surrender to the Glory of the Lord Jesus Christ. Before its too late for you.

(name withheld)

“But we feel so badly that you cannot allow yourself to come to walk with our Lord.
“But what do you have to fear from the followers of Jesus Christ?”
—–
Mikey, I “feel so badly” that you have to put up with this foolishness, day in and day out. Honestly, who in their right mind would want to “come walk” with those folks!
What do we have to fear from these “followers” of Jesus Christ, she asks? The bloody history of the church, and the toxic theology of this hell-obsessed appendage of Christians, for starters. Don’t even get me started on the shameful and despicable way they continue to treat others — people of color, immigrants, gay and transgender folks, the hungry, the poor, the prisoners, the strangers at the gate.
As a gay man, and recovering Southern Baptist, I know what it’s like to be spiritually shunned and physically assaulted in the name of Christian love. For the record, I continue to be a devoted follower of Jesus, but long ago disengaged from this fearful and phony variety of faith.
And, oh by the way, the added security was there to protect you and all the above from the spiritual and physical violence of religious extremists.
Shalom,
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish

 

 
Well, well, well (name withheld),
 
I doubt that is your real name because your email address is fake (you know, one that you can make up and then delete immediately).
 
You don’t get to email Mikey with your judgmental words and expect nothing in return. You don’t get to hide behind a fake email address under the guise of being “private people” when you’ve already gone through deliberate steps to make sure no one can find you. That’s called lying in the bible.
 
“There is no one righteous, not even one …. Their throats are open graves; their tongues practice deceit” (Rom. 3:10-13)
 
“The LORD detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy.” (Proverbs 12:22)
 
Now that I’ve established you as a liar that “the LORD detests” I can get onto responding to your proselytizing, judgmental email.
 
The reason Mikey needs a lot of security is because Christians like your email him death threats on a daily basis. There was even one that wanted to know when and where his next speaking engagement was happening thus the increased security. 
 
For someone…and their friends…who confesses to being a believing Christian you sure don’t know your bible very well or ignore the scriptures that don’t fit your agenda.
 
“For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
 
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.”
 
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election (chosen ones), they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” Romans 11:25-29
 
God has His own plans for the salvation of all of Israel – His “chosen ones,” “beloved” and the “apple of His eye” contrary to what you believe.
 
You are correct: American history and Christian history cannot be separated, Cathy.
 
Here is history a lesson for you. 
 
It is sad and it is so wrong that some people have a revisionist mentality to believe that America was built on Christian principles. Morals are universal no matter what religion you follow. I know atheists who have the same fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control… ‘Galatians 25:22-23) placed upon their hearts and live it better than the Christians do.
 
What Christian principles built America? 
 
Was it the Puritans that sought “refuge” here because of the intolerance towards them in England and Holland because they wanted to “purify” the Church of England and failed, yet they themselves were intolerant of other sects of Christianity, other religions and those of no faith? Was it the taxation of the people to support churches? Was it the very strict adherence to the bible as infallible? Was it the punishments that were meted out according to the bible? Or was it because they slaughtered over 600 Pequot “heathen” Indians with the help of the Mohegan and Narraganset Indians called the “Pequot War” where they burnt many Indians alive? Is this what America is built on?

“William Bradford, in his famous History of the Plymouth Plantation, celebrated the Pequot massacre:

“Those that scraped the fire were slaine with the sword; some hewed to peeces, others rune throw with their rapiers, so as they were quickly dispatchte, and very few escapted. It was conceived they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fyer (burned alive), and the streams of blood quenching the same, and horrible was the stincke and sente thereof, but the victory seemed a sweete sacrifice, and they gave the prayers thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them, thus to inclose their enemise in their hands, and give them so speedy a victory over so proud and insulting an enimie.” 

This is sick!

How do you slaughter a whole tribe because of the misdeeds of a few, in the name of Jesus?

Or was America built on punishments such as the stocks (where the legs are placed); the pillory (where the head and hands are placed while standing and people threw stones and garbage at them and they soiled themselves while being there for so long); the whipping post; dunking; trying kids are young as 8 as adults; being punished for marrying outside of the white race and if you had a bi-racial child, it was placed into servitude until the age of 31; forced to go to church under penalty; and the most egregious – the Salem Witch Trials in 1692-1693? 

“More than once it has been said, too, that the Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered.” George Lincoln Burr 

Or was it the Toleration Acts?

The Toleration Acts of 1645 and 1647 while we are still under English control and less than 30 years from the landing of the Mayflower.

On Oct. 27, 1645, the English House of Commons ordered “that the inhabitants of the Bermudas, and of all other American plantations now or hereafter planted, should, without molestation or trouble, have and enjoy the liberty of conscience in matters of God’s worship.”

In 1647 Parliament passed another act, allowing all persons to meet for religious duties and ordinances in a fit place, provided the public peace was not disturbed.

The Toleration Act of 1647 in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

At a General Court of Elections, held at Portsmouth, beginning May 19, 1647, for ” the colony and province of Providence,” after adopting many acts and orders concerning the government and for the punishment of crimes, it was decreed that ” These are the laws that concern all men, and these are the penalties for the transgression thereof, which by common consent are ratified and established throughout the whole colony; and otherwise than thus, what is herein forbidden, all men may walk as their consciences persuade them, everyone in the name of his God.” This act of toleration was so broad and absolute that it would include Christian, Jew, Mohammedan, Parsee, Buddhist, or pagan.

The Toleration Act of 1649 in Maryland Colony.

The Maryland toleration act (1649) was the joint work of Roman Catholics and Protestants. The General Assembly at that time was composed of eight Roman Catholics and sixteen Protestants—three councilors, and five burgesses were Roman Catholics, and the governor (William Stone), six councilors, and nine burgesses were Protestants. The act did not establish absolute toleration.

The General Assembly of Maryland, convened at St. Mary’s, April 2, 1649, after enacting severe punishments for the crime of blasphemy, and declaring that certain penalties should be inflicted upon any one who should call another a sectarian name of reproach, adopted the declaration that ” whereas the enforcing of conscience in matters of religion hath frequently fallen out to be of dangerous consequence in those commonwealths where it has been practiced, and for the more quiet and peaceable government of this province, and the better to preserve mutual love and unity among the inhabitants, . . . no person or persons whatsoever within this province, or the islands, posts, harbors, creeks, or havens thereunto belonging, professing to believe in Jesus Christ, shall from henceforth be anyways troubled or molested or discountenanced for or in respect of his or her religion, nor in the free exercise thereof, within the province or the islands thereunto belonging, nor any way compelled to the belief or exercise of any other religion against his or her conscience.”

All Christian religions were accepted.

Virginia Statute for Establishing Religious Freedom was signed on January 19, 1786 and was the forerunner for the First Amendment to the Constitution.

SECTION I. That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.

SEC. 16. That religion, or the duty which we owe to our Creator, and the manner of discharging it, can be directed only by reason and conviction, not by force or violence; and therefore all men are equally entitled to the free exercise of religion, according to the dictates of conscience; and that it is the mutual duty of ALL to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.
Or is it the Constitution that built America?
Jefferson wrote the Statute of Religious Freedom, whose preamble indicted state religion, noting that “false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time” have been maintained through the church-state. To “compell a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical.”
 
In his Notes on Virginia (1782), Jefferson wrote: “Millions of innocent men, women and children since the introduction of Christianity have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned. Yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. . .”
 
The Treaty of Tripoli was signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796.It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797; a mere 8 years since our Constitution went into effect. If what was written was wrong in anyway, there would have been uproar. But, it passed unanimously and confirmed that America was not founded on Christianity.
 
Treaty of Tripoli: As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
 
The Constitution reflects our founder’s views of a secular government protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief.
 
The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, “The idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd. There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety.” 
 
“Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.”
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
 
“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
 
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813
“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion
“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.” 
James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments
 
“God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773
 
“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution. What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.”
James Madison 1785 Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments
 
“Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”
As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
 
We are defenders of the Constitution (Separation of Church and State), Supreme Court rulings and the UCMJ.
 
“…but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” (Article I, III)
 
This means that from the President to Congress to the military – no one’s job is based on their religion.
 
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (Establishment Clause), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Free Exercise Clause).”(First Amendment)
 
The Establishment Clause means that you cannot favor one religion over another even though it is in the majority. This clause respects the RIGHTS of all religions. Our military is SECULAR and there are people of other faiths that don the uniform that love this country. 
 
The Free Exercise Clause (which is subservient to the Establishment Clause) means that our soldiers are free to exercise any religion they want or no religion at all but cannot elevate one God above others.
“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320. 
This is his second known use of the term “wall of separation,” here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter.
 
This wording of the original was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause.
 
“Jefferson’s concept of “separation of church and state” first became a part of Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878). In that case, the court examined the history of religious liberty in the US, determining that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, “The word ‘religion’ is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted.” The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the “separation” paragraph from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, “coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.
 
In 1878 “separation of church and state” became part of the Establishment Clause by law.
 
The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.
 
Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test:
 
Government action violates the Establishment Clause unless it: 
1. has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose, 
2. does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion 
3. does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion
 
Parker v. Levy.
 “This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society… While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. … The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it… Speech [in any form] that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command.  If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected.” (Emphasis added) Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 1974
 
To entangle the military with religion is a violation of the Constitution, Reynolds v. U.S., Lemon v. Kurtzman, the Lemon Test and Parker v. Levy.
 
Matthew 22:36-40
“Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
 
Jesus left us His example of who is going to heaven and who isn’t in Matthew 25:31-41.
 
“When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
 
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels…”
 
We are neither an atheist organization nor are we anti-Christian. Mikey is Jewish (and prays to the same Father we do 3 times a day) and 80% of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters (300 in total) of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) are Christians. In fact, 96% of our 50,200+ soldier clients are mainline Christians and we fight for them more than any other belief or non-belief.
 
We also have many honorable and distinguished military personnel, whom we rely on for their expertise on religion in the military, on our Board and Advisory Board.
 
Check out our Mission Statement
 
You are a liar and will be held accountable for your words.
 
But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 12:36-37)
 
It is you who will be condemned.
 
What you wrote in your email is a belief that America was started as a theocracy. It never was and never will be.
 
Joan Slish
MRFF Advisory Board Member

 Response by MRFF Advisory Board Member John Compere
Dear anonymous private people,
 
Thank you for your letter. Please understand the MRFF represents over 50,000 military members, veterans & civilians (96% of whom are Christians) who have requested that their American constitutional right to determine, enjoy & practice their own religious or non-religious beliefs be respected & protected. The US Constitution 1st Amendment provides both freedom from public religion & freedom of private religion or non-religion for every citizen. Our clients who are Christians do not want another’s version of Christianity imposed upon them & clients who are not Christians do not want any version of Christianity imposed upon them. All object to being proselytized with someone else’s religious beliefs in the public work place. We proudly represent them to protect this precious American liberty of theirs (& all Americans).
 
Your letter erroneously assumes uniformity in Christian beliefs. This simply not true. There are over 40,000 recognized varieties worldwide with significant differences on biblical versions & translations, creeds, doctrines, dogmas, rituals, liturgies, prayer, baptism, human equality, clergy gender, predestination or free will, human life beginning, one deity (1st Commandment monotheism) or a trinity of deities (non-biblical polytheism), etc. Christian beliefs are as diverse as believers. I am confident you would insist on the right to your own beliefs. If so, then others should have the same right. This is commonly known as the “Golden Rule” predating organized religion & reportedly preached by Jesus in every New Testament version.
 
100% of the hate mail received by the MRFF (particularly our Founder & President) comes from radicalized fundamentalist Christians. It represents the height of human hypocrisy & primitive tribalism (“My beliefs are better than yours.”). Unfortunately, some of it contains threats we take seriously and promptly report to law enforcement. That is the reason why security is present at our activities.
 
Man is the Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion – several of them.” – MARK TWAIN
 
Most Sincerely,
 
John Compere
Brigadier General, Judge Advocate General’s Corps, US Army (Retired)

Response from MRFF Supporter

Will send reply to you (name withheld) even though you stated not to. Re: We came to your debate

 You, (name withheld), defined who you are by the below statement as being either an imposter or, just having too much time on your hands or, ill informed:
  “Please do not reply to this email address as it cannot accept replies. We want to keep our names out of this please. Unlike you we are private people”
 
  As a woman who seeks to follow the principles of Jesus of Nazareth, Cathy, I cannot let your email to Mikey Weinstein go unanswered, especially, this particular and inaccurate assumption regarding my dear and trusted friend:
“And we talked about this debate a lot. We could not help but notice all of the security  activities and precautions.
 
  What looked like a lot of guards and police. A lot around you especially after the debate when people came over to try to talk to Was all of that really necessary as this debate was held at a Christian university campus where love is King and not hate?
 
I could understand it if you spoke at a godless place like UCAL Berkeley or CU Boulder.  But what do you have to fear from the followers of Jesus Christ? It is us Christians and not you jewish nonbelievers who are facing hate and need the guards.
 

  Now then, Cathy, I offer you the below emails from so called “Christians” one claiming to be a woman also, who manifest a visceral hatred, along with a conscious “hinting” toward subtle confusion, a characteristic Jesus of Nazareth would find repulsive.   Do know these two are mild in nature with many being far more blatantly threating requiring the Need for Security.

 As you sought to portray, via your email, let me offer you this which I cannot assume you have the full breath of understanding regarding our current struggle to keep Democracy, grounded in the Constitution, alive and functioning.
  John 8:32
Do take the time to comprehend the two below emails sent to Mikey, via the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.
– April 15, 2017
you know, Mikie. That jew smell of murdering the innocent Lamb. The Son of God.
The same Son of God who’s resurrection we will celebrate on Sunday.
Try as you might to keep Jesus out of our military you will just even more nail yourself to the cross of satan.
And you will burn in hell forever.
Every day will be a Dachau day for you. Every night will be a Kristallnacht.
For all eternity.
Hell smells like Mikie. Hell smells like jews.
(name withheld)

How Dare You!

– March 1, 2017
MRFF,
I have never written like this before but here goes.
How dare you make the Air Force take down their beautiful posters at Langley AFB honoring our Airmen and our Lord of Hosts.
There was nothing wrong in saying “men” and not “women” too. Everyone knows they meant women as well.
I myself am a Christian mother of 4 and loving wife to a brave Christian Air Force officer. We both devotedly witness our faith in Jesus every chance we get to everyone as an Air Force family. Because you know what MRFF, the Bible says to do it and that’s the end of it. The law encourages us to share our faith with everyone we can.
Saving souls is Constitutional. But more importantly it’s Biblical.
You are all hateful and evil apostates led by the 21st Century version of anti-Christian Hitler, Mr. Michael Weinstein. And he’s a Jew no less. Thinking Judas. Makes sense doesn’t it?
I’ll never lift a hand against you all but I will pray The Word that our righteous Lord and Savior will smite you from this Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.
The MRFF burns the Air Force and Jesus? Fine, then let The Lord’s vengeance be swift, sacred and assured. It belongs to Him alone.
First on the list: Pray the Lord to have Mr. Weinstein watch Mrs. Weinstein burn alive in a car accident sounds about right. (Epistle to the Romans, Sixth Book of the NT, Chapter 12))
(name withheld)”
  So now, (name withheld), after reading the above moral and spiritual violations of Mikey’s personhood, along with your prior wording, specifically stating not to be responded to, I must request of you as a sister in the Word”  to come out of the shadows, and rephrase your wording and understanding.   And if I may, the requirement for a response in offering to Mikey Weinstein, a deep apology, along with asking forgiveness regarding the One of the Ten Commandments:
  “Thy shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. . .” which is clearly stated and A Mandate of His.
    Peace. . .
Ms Jude

Response from MRFF Supporter

Let me paraphrase……

 
“We came to your debate.  We like you, but you’re still going to hell.
 
Sincerely,
Someone who doesn’t get to decide such things.”

 

“We are not to simply bandage the wounds of victims beneath the wheels of injustice, we are to drive a spoke into the wheel itself.” – Dietrich Bonhoeffer


Rev. Bob Lawrence
Tulsa, OK


 Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
Dear(name withheld),

Are you familiar with the term, sanctimony? I would think so, since you personify it. If not, I’d suggest you look it up. Once you’ve done that, re-read this message you sent Mr. Weinstein. Once you’ve done that, if you are actually a Christian, you’ll have some apologizing to do.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)


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  1. Sami Thompson

    Having grown up with no religion (and having found God all by myself), looking at Christianity from the outside offers some clarity. Although there are many kind and generous Christians in the world, there is a clear and undeniable similarity between extreme fundamentalist Christians and Muslim extremists. Both groups hold inflexible views that are not supported by scripture (unless twisted), and both are willing to use violence to advance their goals. It’s frightening to realize that people of any religion think they have the right to impose their beliefs on others, especially in the US.

    If asked to swear on the Bible, I could, but I’d prefer to swear on the Constitution, because THAT is truly sacred to me, and unique in our history.

    Everyone should believe whatever they like. Their rights extend right up to where my rights begin – PERIOD. If they think I’m going to Hell, that’s okay. It’s none of their business, is it? Why is that so hard?

  2. Stan Levin

    A FAMOUS CHRISTIAN ……………………………..

    Timothy McVeigh
    McVeigh mugshot.jpg
    FBI mugshot of McVeigh in 1995.
    Born Timothy James McVeigh
    April 23, 1968
    Lockport, New York, U.S.
    Died June 11, 2001 (aged 33)
    USP Terre Haute in Terre Haute, Indiana, U.S.
    Cause of death Execution by lethal injection
    Nationality United States American
    Other names Tim Tuttle[1]
    Darel Bridges[2]
    Robert Kling
    Occupation U.S. Army veteran, security guard
    Criminal penalty Death by lethal injection
    Criminal status Executed
    Motive Retaliation for the Waco Siege, Ruby Ridge, other government raids and general U.S. foreign policy
    Conviction(s) Use of a weapon of mass destruction
    Conspiracy use of a weapon of mass destruction
    Destructive use of explosives or incendiary devices
    8 counts of first-degree murder of 8 federal law enforcement officers
    Partner(s) Terry Nichols
    Michael Fortier
    Killings
    Date April 19, 1995
    9:02 a.m. (CDT)
    Location(s) Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, U.S.
    Target(s) Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, housing Federal government
    Killed 168
    Injured 680+
    Weapon Ammonium nitrate and nitromethane fertilizer truck bomb

  3. Stan Levin

    A WELL KNOWN CHRISTIAN

  4. Stan Levin

    this is a well known christian

  5. Joshua Rownd

    Well Stan, we have one slight problem here, because Timothy McVeith was not a bible believing Christian, in fact, he was Catholic, in fact there is some documentation that he was aligned with radical Muslims.

  6. Joshua Rownd

    Sami,
    Please tell me what fundamentalist Christian groups have used violence to extol their beliefs, please give names and documentation.

    It concerns me that you regard the Constitution as sacred over the God’s Word! That gives me strong indication that you are not even a Christian . You said that you found God on your own, did you ever confess your sins and ask Christ to come into your heart to be your Lord and Savior?

    Oh, if you have not truly accepted Christ into your life, you are going to hell, PERIOD!

  7. Connie

    Instead of celebrating because Sami found a path which works for her Joshua condemns her profession of Christianity because she fails his purity test.

    Yep, those would be the actions of an extremist Christian.

    You demanded the name of those who do violence in the name of religion Joshua? Look in the mirror. The plank in your eye is yuge, biggly even.

    Beg my forgiveness for ‘joking’ about burning me as a witch and I’ll ease up on you.

    PS – if you really need names and documentation Joshua I suggest you take a look at the Southern Poverty Law Centers Hate Watch list. I believe they keep their information the most current.

  8. G

    JR, what is your point about Timothy McVeith being a Roman Catholic since Catholicism is part of Christianity? As a matter of fact, the various Christian denominations sprang from Catholicism.

  9. Joshua Rownd

    G,
    I just learned today that McVeigh although he grew up in a Catholic home, he wanted have nothing to do with religion at all. Plain and simple McVeigh was nothing but a serial mass murderer.

  10. Connie

    JR – then why did Timothy accept the Last Rites from a Catholic priest before he was executed? That doesn’t sound like the actions of man who wants nothing to do with religion.

  11. Joshua Rownd

    When you are about to die, you will want anything good blessing you can get.

  12. Joshua Rownd
  13. Connie

    Joshua, you lie even as you breathe. You said “When you are about to die, you will want anything good blessing you can get.”

    On my husbands deathbed he did not panic, we did not send for the minister, he did not succumb to ‘any blessing you can get.’

    When my true love died Thor took his life-long warrior to Valhalla with him. That is my certainty as confirmed by the phone call from his sister thirty seconds after he stopped breathing. She said she had to call because he kicked her head on his way out.

    Not everyone is you JR. Nice moving the goal posts on your original question by the way. Typical extreme Christian tactic. Of course you are debating those you consider ‘less than’ so anything goes, amirite?

    Joshua, you remember the instructions your Lord and Savior gave you about ‘less than’ people? I believe he was serious but that is between the two of you.

  14. Joshua Rownd

    Connie,
    Talk about being deceived, there is no Thor or Valhalla, your husband, unless he accepted Christ before he died, is dead and waiting his final judgment before God and being thrown into hell with the devil and his demons for all eternity. That’s the fact Jack!

    No Christ, No Peace
    Know Christ, Know Peace

  15. G

    JR, so what if a person like Timothy McVeigh wants no part of religion? It does not mean he/she is a bad person. Religious people and organizations can be serial mass murders. Corporate CEOs are serial mass murders. Mike Papantino of the TV/radio show Ring of Fire stated that how sociopaths are running corporations and don’t care about murdering people with their products: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZUIQr4K-rY

    “No Christ, No Peace
    Know Christ, Know Peace”

    You got evidence to back up that statement, JR?

    “Oh, if you have not truly accepted Christ into your life, you are going to hell, PERIOD!”

    Jr, do you know of any religious person who came back from the dead and stated that there is a god, there is a devil, there is a heaven, and there is a hell? The answer is no. As comedian Bill Burr said, you are making this stuff up.

  16. Carmine Wiggins

    Oh but G, the JR has a book that tells him there is HELL for the unaccepted of Christ. Are we to assume/believe this book is wrong? What about all of the other books written by humans? So we can’t believe anything we read? Its all lies, fiction, bull-shit?

    I’ve even heard carbon dating is not true, or the earth was created ~6000 years ago, or that Noah’s flood was just a story to scare people into the churches. All of this is really not true?

    What are we to believe? Well, the only things we can believe are the things we see, feel, taste or experience first hand for ourselves. Do we need the deity to appear so we can see it or touch it. Do we really need to worship it? I don’t want to bow or kneel or pray to something, I’d rather go fishing, talk to my kids, take a walk on the beach, ride my motorcycle on twisty/windy roads…these are the things we can do now, everyday, and for as long as we live. I have no idea what happens after I die and neither does anyone else, and I could care less.

    Oh I see, JR has a crystal ball and magical powers which likely allows him to see things the average person can’t. Wow, a real live deity on earth…when can we get your autograph JR? Never mind, no such things, my bad.

  17. Connie

    JR – I told my husbands death story because I knew it would explode your gaskets. Nice you didn’t disappoint. I’m still chuckling.

    Honestly, the only Truth I know which exists in the here/now is my dog is a blanket, pillow, and bed hog. Oh, and that the magic of today is the science of tomorrow. Everything else is fluid and open to change.

  18. G

    All I know about the Bible, Ms. Wiggins, is that it is so full of contradictions, that it is ridiculous. The only time I got interested in the Bible was watching the Battles of the Bible on the History Channel where Dr. Richard Gabriel look at the Bible from a military perspective of a ground soldier since he had the experience of being shot in combat.

    Dr. Gabriel uses his knowledge of ancient Mideast military organizations and societies to explain how the Israelis actually cross the Red Sea, brought down the walls of Jericho, etc. I found it more fun and interesting from that TV series than hearing the bible stories at church. I bet you Dr. Gabriel tick off a lot of religious people including those in the military because he used facts and logic instead of believing that God helped the Israelites through divine intervention.

  19. Dear “We Came to Your Debate,”

    Secularism is for grownups. You aren’t expected to understand.

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