We came to your debate
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My husband and I and our next door neighbors from Denver all came to your recent debate at Colo. Christian Univ. We are committed Christians who don’t just “think” our faith is right because we ‘suspect” that it is. We know it is right. And the only one which is as says John 14:6. There are no other exceptions.
We have heard and seen a lot about you through the years. To be honest we expected the worst when we heard you were to be invited to the debate. But I must say however that you were very pleasant and nice. Even though it is very clear that you do not understand where you are going to go after you die unless you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior. It is sad that you reject the Lord and we grieve for your eternal fate and that of your family.
Hell is a real place and it looks like you are going to be a permanent resident there but we hope not.
You said some funny things too which made us laugh but mostly you were firm and not mean. You are a smart guy. But we feel so badly that you cannot allow yourself to come to walk with our Lord. Because hell is not very funny Mr. Weinstein. Do you really want to join all of those who are suffering in hell for rejecting the Word and the Son? Isn’t the choice pretty simple and straight forward? Your a lawyer and seem be real smart. But in saying no to Jesus you are unwise and will pay dearly for your rejection of his Love.
Our neighbors and us had a bible study at their house the next night with other friends. And we talked about this debate a lot. We could not help but notice all of the security activities and precautions. What looked like a lot of guards and police. A lot around you especially after the debate when people came over to try to talk to you. Was all of that really necessary as this debate was held at a Christian university campus where love is King and not hate? I could understand it if you spoke at a godless place like UCAL Berkeley or CU Boulder. But what do you have to fear from the followers of Jesus Christ? It is us Christians and not you jewish nonbelievers who are facing hate and need the guards.
Please consider the major role you play with our military. And the serious consequences of your ungodly crusade to take the Love and Peace of Jesus Christ away from those who need it most. Our brave mens and women in uniform. You try to justify this with the constitution but the constitution allows Jesus to be heard and not silenced. American history and Christian history cannot be separated Mr. Weinstein. Why do you fight against this obvious fact?
You are still the Number One persecutor of Christians who fight for this country. We pray that like Paul you will have your moment of clarity on your own Road to Damascus. If it never happens you will only have yourself to blame. And for rejecting the One who is your only ticket out of hell. You need to fear hell and get right with Jesus. He loves you. Even as you try your hardest to eliminate him from our military.
Anyways I just wanted to give you some of our thoughts and to thank you for coming for the debate. Your resume and your family are really impressive but your all missing one thing. Acceptance of the free Love of Jesus.
Sincerely in Christ,
A believing Christian mother and wife who is praying for you to stop your persecution of us and to surrender to the Glory of the Lord Jesus Christ. Before its too late for you.
“William Bradford, in his famous History of the Plymouth Plantation, celebrated the Pequot massacre:
“Those that scraped the fire were slaine with the sword; some hewed to peeces, others rune throw with their rapiers, so as they were quickly dispatchte, and very few escapted. It was conceived they thus destroyed about 400 at this time. It was a fearful sight to see them thus frying in the fyer (burned alive), and the streams of blood quenching the same, and horrible was the stincke and sente thereof, but the victory seemed a sweete sacrifice, and they gave the prayers thereof to God, who had wrought so wonderfully for them, thus to inclose their enemise in their hands, and give them so speedy a victory over so proud and insulting an enimie.”
This is sick!
How do you slaughter a whole tribe because of the misdeeds of a few, in the name of Jesus?
Or was America built on punishments such as the stocks (where the legs are placed); the pillory (where the head and hands are placed while standing and people threw stones and garbage at them and they soiled themselves while being there for so long); the whipping post; dunking; trying kids are young as 8 as adults; being punished for marrying outside of the white race and if you had a bi-racial child, it was placed into servitude until the age of 31; forced to go to church under penalty; and the most egregious – the Salem Witch Trials in 1692-1693?
“More than once it has been said, too, that the Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered.” George Lincoln Burr
Or was it the Toleration Acts?
The Toleration Acts of 1645 and 1647 while we are still under English control and less than 30 years from the landing of the Mayflower.
On Oct. 27, 1645, the English House of Commons ordered “that the inhabitants of the Bermudas, and of all other American plantations now or hereafter planted, should, without molestation or trouble, have and enjoy the liberty of conscience in matters of God’s worship.”
In 1647 Parliament passed another act, allowing all persons to meet for religious duties and ordinances in a fit place, provided the public peace was not disturbed.
The Toleration Act of 1647 in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.
At a General Court of Elections, held at Portsmouth, beginning May 19, 1647, for ” the colony and province of Providence,” after adopting many acts and orders concerning the government and for the punishment of crimes, it was decreed that ” These are the laws that concern all men, and these are the penalties for the transgression thereof, which by common consent are ratified and established throughout the whole colony; and otherwise than thus, what is herein forbidden, all men may walk as their consciences persuade them, everyone in the name of his God.” This act of toleration was so broad and absolute that it would include Christian, Jew, Mohammedan, Parsee, Buddhist, or pagan.
The Toleration Act of 1649 in Maryland Colony.
The Maryland toleration act (1649) was the joint work of Roman Catholics and Protestants. The General Assembly at that time was composed of eight Roman Catholics and sixteen Protestants—three councilors, and five burgesses were Roman Catholics, and the governor (William Stone), six councilors, and nine burgesses were Protestants. The act did not establish absolute toleration.
The General Assembly of Maryland, convened at St. Mary’s, April 2, 1649, after enacting severe punishments for the crime of blasphemy, and declaring that certain penalties should be inflicted upon any one who should call another a sectarian name of reproach, adopted the declaration that ” whereas the enforcing of conscience in matters of religion hath frequently fallen out to be of dangerous consequence in those commonwealths where it has been practiced, and for the more quiet and peaceable government of this province, and the better to preserve mutual love and unity among the inhabitants, . . . no person or persons whatsoever within this province, or the islands, posts, harbors, creeks, or havens thereunto belonging, professing to believe in Jesus Christ, shall from henceforth be anyways troubled or molested or discountenanced for or in respect of his or her religion, nor in the free exercise thereof, within the province or the islands thereunto belonging, nor any way compelled to the belief or exercise of any other religion against his or her conscience.”
All Christian religions were accepted.
Virginia Statute for Establishing Religious Freedom was signed on January 19, 1786 and was the forerunner for the First Amendment to the Constitution.
SECTION I. That all men are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773
1. has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose,
2. does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion
3. does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion
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“But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” (Matthew 12:36-37)
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What you wrote in your email is a belief that America was started as a theocracy. It never was and never will be.
Joan Slish
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Will send reply to you (name withheld) even though you stated not to. Re: We came to your debate
Now then, Cathy, I offer you the below emails from so called “Christians” one claiming to be a woman also, who manifest a visceral hatred, along with a conscious “hinting” toward subtle confusion, a characteristic Jesus of Nazareth would find repulsive. Do know these two are mild in nature with many being far more blatantly threating requiring the Need for Security.
The same Son of God who’s resurrection we will celebrate on Sunday.
And you will burn in hell forever.
For all eternity.
How Dare You!
There was nothing wrong in saying “men” and not “women” too. Everyone knows they meant women as well.
Let me paraphrase……
Rev. Bob Lawrence
Tulsa, OK
Are you familiar with the term, sanctimony? I would think so, since you personify it. If not, I’d suggest you look it up. Once you’ve done that, re-read this message you sent Mr. Weinstein. Once you’ve done that, if you are actually a Christian, you’ll have some apologizing to do.
Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)
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Having grown up with no religion (and having found God all by myself), looking at Christianity from the outside offers some clarity. Although there are many kind and generous Christians in the world, there is a clear and undeniable similarity between extreme fundamentalist Christians and Muslim extremists. Both groups hold inflexible views that are not supported by scripture (unless twisted), and both are willing to use violence to advance their goals. It’s frightening to realize that people of any religion think they have the right to impose their beliefs on others, especially in the US.
If asked to swear on the Bible, I could, but I’d prefer to swear on the Constitution, because THAT is truly sacred to me, and unique in our history.
Everyone should believe whatever they like. Their rights extend right up to where my rights begin – PERIOD. If they think I’m going to Hell, that’s okay. It’s none of their business, is it? Why is that so hard?
A FAMOUS CHRISTIAN ……………………………..
Timothy McVeigh
McVeigh mugshot.jpg
FBI mugshot of McVeigh in 1995.
Born Timothy James McVeigh
April 23, 1968
Lockport, New York, U.S.
Died June 11, 2001 (aged 33)
USP Terre Haute in Terre Haute, Indiana, U.S.
Cause of death Execution by lethal injection
Nationality United States American
Other names Tim Tuttle[1]
Darel Bridges[2]
Robert Kling
Occupation U.S. Army veteran, security guard
Criminal penalty Death by lethal injection
Criminal status Executed
Motive Retaliation for the Waco Siege, Ruby Ridge, other government raids and general U.S. foreign policy
Conviction(s) Use of a weapon of mass destruction
Conspiracy use of a weapon of mass destruction
Destructive use of explosives or incendiary devices
8 counts of first-degree murder of 8 federal law enforcement officers
Partner(s) Terry Nichols
Michael Fortier
Killings
Date April 19, 1995
9:02 a.m. (CDT)
Location(s) Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, U.S.
Target(s) Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, housing Federal government
Killed 168
Injured 680+
Weapon Ammonium nitrate and nitromethane fertilizer truck bomb
A WELL KNOWN CHRISTIAN
this is a well known christian
Well Stan, we have one slight problem here, because Timothy McVeith was not a bible believing Christian, in fact, he was Catholic, in fact there is some documentation that he was aligned with radical Muslims.
Sami,
Please tell me what fundamentalist Christian groups have used violence to extol their beliefs, please give names and documentation.
It concerns me that you regard the Constitution as sacred over the God’s Word! That gives me strong indication that you are not even a Christian . You said that you found God on your own, did you ever confess your sins and ask Christ to come into your heart to be your Lord and Savior?
Oh, if you have not truly accepted Christ into your life, you are going to hell, PERIOD!
Instead of celebrating because Sami found a path which works for her Joshua condemns her profession of Christianity because she fails his purity test.
Yep, those would be the actions of an extremist Christian.
You demanded the name of those who do violence in the name of religion Joshua? Look in the mirror. The plank in your eye is yuge, biggly even.
Beg my forgiveness for ‘joking’ about burning me as a witch and I’ll ease up on you.
PS – if you really need names and documentation Joshua I suggest you take a look at the Southern Poverty Law Centers Hate Watch list. I believe they keep their information the most current.
JR, what is your point about Timothy McVeith being a Roman Catholic since Catholicism is part of Christianity? As a matter of fact, the various Christian denominations sprang from Catholicism.
G,
I just learned today that McVeigh although he grew up in a Catholic home, he wanted have nothing to do with religion at all. Plain and simple McVeigh was nothing but a serial mass murderer.
JR – then why did Timothy accept the Last Rites from a Catholic priest before he was executed? That doesn’t sound like the actions of man who wants nothing to do with religion.
When you are about to die, you will want anything good blessing you can get.
Connie,
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2001/09/mcveigh200109
Joshua, you lie even as you breathe. You said “When you are about to die, you will want anything good blessing you can get.”
On my husbands deathbed he did not panic, we did not send for the minister, he did not succumb to ‘any blessing you can get.’
When my true love died Thor took his life-long warrior to Valhalla with him. That is my certainty as confirmed by the phone call from his sister thirty seconds after he stopped breathing. She said she had to call because he kicked her head on his way out.
Not everyone is you JR. Nice moving the goal posts on your original question by the way. Typical extreme Christian tactic. Of course you are debating those you consider ‘less than’ so anything goes, amirite?
Joshua, you remember the instructions your Lord and Savior gave you about ‘less than’ people? I believe he was serious but that is between the two of you.
Connie,
Talk about being deceived, there is no Thor or Valhalla, your husband, unless he accepted Christ before he died, is dead and waiting his final judgment before God and being thrown into hell with the devil and his demons for all eternity. That’s the fact Jack!
No Christ, No Peace
Know Christ, Know Peace
JR, so what if a person like Timothy McVeigh wants no part of religion? It does not mean he/she is a bad person. Religious people and organizations can be serial mass murders. Corporate CEOs are serial mass murders. Mike Papantino of the TV/radio show Ring of Fire stated that how sociopaths are running corporations and don’t care about murdering people with their products: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZUIQr4K-rY
“No Christ, No Peace
Know Christ, Know Peace”
You got evidence to back up that statement, JR?
“Oh, if you have not truly accepted Christ into your life, you are going to hell, PERIOD!”
Jr, do you know of any religious person who came back from the dead and stated that there is a god, there is a devil, there is a heaven, and there is a hell? The answer is no. As comedian Bill Burr said, you are making this stuff up.
Oh but G, the JR has a book that tells him there is HELL for the unaccepted of Christ. Are we to assume/believe this book is wrong? What about all of the other books written by humans? So we can’t believe anything we read? Its all lies, fiction, bull-shit?
I’ve even heard carbon dating is not true, or the earth was created ~6000 years ago, or that Noah’s flood was just a story to scare people into the churches. All of this is really not true?
What are we to believe? Well, the only things we can believe are the things we see, feel, taste or experience first hand for ourselves. Do we need the deity to appear so we can see it or touch it. Do we really need to worship it? I don’t want to bow or kneel or pray to something, I’d rather go fishing, talk to my kids, take a walk on the beach, ride my motorcycle on twisty/windy roads…these are the things we can do now, everyday, and for as long as we live. I have no idea what happens after I die and neither does anyone else, and I could care less.
Oh I see, JR has a crystal ball and magical powers which likely allows him to see things the average person can’t. Wow, a real live deity on earth…when can we get your autograph JR? Never mind, no such things, my bad.
JR – I told my husbands death story because I knew it would explode your gaskets. Nice you didn’t disappoint. I’m still chuckling.
Honestly, the only Truth I know which exists in the here/now is my dog is a blanket, pillow, and bed hog. Oh, and that the magic of today is the science of tomorrow. Everything else is fluid and open to change.
All I know about the Bible, Ms. Wiggins, is that it is so full of contradictions, that it is ridiculous. The only time I got interested in the Bible was watching the Battles of the Bible on the History Channel where Dr. Richard Gabriel look at the Bible from a military perspective of a ground soldier since he had the experience of being shot in combat.
Dr. Gabriel uses his knowledge of ancient Mideast military organizations and societies to explain how the Israelis actually cross the Red Sea, brought down the walls of Jericho, etc. I found it more fun and interesting from that TV series than hearing the bible stories at church. I bet you Dr. Gabriel tick off a lot of religious people including those in the military because he used facts and logic instead of believing that God helped the Israelites through divine intervention.
Dear “We Came to Your Debate,”
Secularism is for grownups. You aren’t expected to understand.