Romans 11

St. Paul speaking to the Roman believers regarding Godless Jews:
 
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.  
Romans 11:28-29 New King James Version (NKJV)
 
Saul also persecuted the church, until he met Jesus, King of the Jews.  May He bring you down off your high horse, my brother.

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3 John 1:4   I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.   Isaiah 54:13  All your children shall be taught by the Lord, And great shall be the peace of your children.

(name withheld)


Response from Mikey Weinstein, Founder and Director of MRFF

…..hey, (name withheld), you don’t even know who I am, little sport?!…..maybe try a little more refined initial reachout next time, jack……pride goeth before a fall, asshole….


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Joan Slish

Dear (name withheld),

You don’t get to send Mikey a biblical quote on “Godless Jews” and then call him “brother” at the end. 
 
He is not your brother.
 
He has more “love your neighbor as yourself” than what I’ve read in your email. 
 
Mikey and MRFF are neither an atheist organization nor are we anti-Christian. Mikey is Jewish (and prays to the same Father we do 3 times a day) and 80% of the Board, Advisory Board, volunteers and supporters (415 in total) of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) are Christians. In fact, 96% of our 56,300+ soldier clients are mainline Christians and we fight for them more than any other belief or non-belief.
 
We also have many distinguished and honorable military members (including Christian Chaplains and religious leaders) on our Board and Advisory Board whom we rely on for their expertise on religion in the military. 
 
Check out our Mission statement.
 
You quoted Romans 11:28-29 but failed to include Romans 11:25-27
 
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
 
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
 
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.”
 
All Israel will be saved!
 
How about this?
 
Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
 
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
 
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” Genesis 12:1-3
 
And this one?
 
“But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
 
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
 
For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
 
And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?
 
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.” Matthew 5:44-48
 
I don’t see any “love your enemy” in your email. We are not your enemy yet your email clearly states you consider us as one.
 
Jefferson wrote the Statute of Religious Freedom, whose preamble indicted state religion, noting that “false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time” have been maintained through the church-state. To “compell a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical.”
 
In his Notes on Virginia (1782), Jefferson wrote: “Millions of innocent men, women and children since the introduction of Christianity have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned. Yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. . .”
 
The Treaty of Tripoli was signed at Tripoli on November 4, 1796.It was submitted to the Senate by President John Adams, receiving ratification unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797, and signed by Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797; a mere 8 years since our Constitution went into effect. If what was written was wrong in anyway, there would have been uproar. But, it passed unanimously and confirmed that America was not founded on Christianity.
 
Treaty of Tripoli:
As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
 
The Constitution reflects our founder’s views of a secular government protecting the freedom of any belief or unbelief. 
 
The historian, Robert Middlekauff, observed, “The idea that the Constitution expressed a moral view seems absurd.
There were no genuine evangelicals in the Convention, and there were no heated declarations of Christian piety.” 
 
“The Salem witchcraft was the rock on which the theocracy shattered”. George Lincoln Burr (1857– 1938), Professor of History and Librarian at Cornell University
 
“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
 
“History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.”
Thomas Jefferson: in letter to Alexander von Humboldt, December 6, 1813
“The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses.”
John Adams, “A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America” 1787-1788
“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.”
George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789
Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.
Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

“The civil government functions with complete success by the total separation of the Church from the State.”
James Madison, 1819, Writings, 8:432, quoted from Gene Garman, “Essays In Addition to America’s Real Religion”

“Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion and Government in the Constitution of the United States, the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history.” 
James Madison; Monopolies, Perpetuities, Corporations, Ecclesiastical Endowments
 
“God has appointed two kinds of government in the world, which are distinct in their nature, and ought never to be confounded together; one of which is called civil, the other ecclesiastical government.”
Isaac Backus, An Appeal to the Public for Religious Liberty, 1773
 
“During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution.
What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not.”
James Madison 1785 Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments
 
“Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting “Jesus Christ,” so that it would read “A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;” the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.”
As Thomas Jefferson wrote in his Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom
 
The Unites States is not a theocracy and according to our Founding Fathers the Constitution is not based on Christianity or biblical law.
 
As defenders of the Constitution we fight for the separation of church and state.
 
“…but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” (Article I, III)
 
This means that from the President to Congress to the military – no one’s job is based on their religion.
 
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (Establishment Clause), or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (Free Exercise Clause).”(First Amendment)
 
The Establishment Clause means that you cannot favor one religion over another even though it is in the majority. This clause respects the RIGHTS of all religions. Our military is SECULAR and there are people of other faiths that don the uniform that love this country. 
 
The Free Exercise Clause (which is subservient to the Establishment Clause) means that our soldiers are free to exercise any religion they want or no religion at all but cannot elevate one God above others.
 
“Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person’s life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the “wall of separation between church and state,” therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” 
Thomas Jefferson, to the Virginia Baptists (1808) ME 16:320.
 
This is his second known use of the term “wall of separation,” here quoting his own use in the Danbury Baptist letter.
 
This wording of the original was several times upheld by the Supreme Court as an accurate description of the Establishment Clause.
 
“Jefferson’s concept of ‘separation of church and state’ first became a part of  the Establishment Clause jurisprudence in Reynolds v. U.S., 98 U.S. 145 (1878). In that case, the court examined the history of religious liberty in the US, determining that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, “The word ‘religion’ is not defined in the Constitution. We must go elsewhere, therefore, to ascertain its meaning and nowhere more appropriately, we think, than to the history of the times in the midst of which the provision was adopted.” The court found that the leaders in advocating and formulating the constitutional guarantee of religious liberty were James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. Quoting the “separation” paragraph from Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists, the court concluded that, “coming as this does from an acknowledged leader of the advocates of the measure, it may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the amendment thus secured.
 
In 1878 “separation of church and state” became part of the Establishment Clause by law.
 
The Supreme Court heard the Lemon v. Kurtzman case in 1971 and ruled in favor of the Establishment Clause.
Subsequent to this decision, the Supreme Court has applied a three-pronged test to determine whether government action comports with the Establishment Clause, known as the Lemon Test:
 
Government action violates the Establishment Clause unless it: 
1. has a significant secular (i.e., non-religious) purpose, 
2. does not have the primary effect of advancing or inhibiting religion 
3. does not foster excessive entanglement between government and religion
 
 Parker v. Levy: 
 “This Court has long recognized that the military is, by necessity, a specialized society separate from civilian society… While the members of the military are not excluded from the protection granted by the First Amendment, the different character of the military community and of the military mission requires a different application of those protections. … The fundamental necessity for obedience, and the consequent necessity for imposition of discipline, may render permissible within the military that which would be constitutionally impermissible outside it… Speech [in any form] that is protected in the civil population may nonetheless undermine the effectiveness of response to command.  If it does, it is constitutionally unprotected.” (Emphasis added) Parker v. Levy, 417 U.S. 733, 1974
 
To place the Christian god above all others is in violation of Reynolds v. U.S., Lemon v. Kurtzman, the Lemon Test and Parker v. Levy.
 
Btw – you’re going to stand before Jesus Christ, who was born, raised, preached and died a Jew and be judged on your words in this email.
 
“But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” Matthew 12:36-37
 
Jesus is the King of the JEWS!
 
If I were you I’d be careful that Jesus doesn’t knock you off of your high, self-righteous, judgmental horse when you believe every lie, omission and distortion concerning Mikey and MRFF.
 
If the military were to obey the Separation of Church and State codified in the First Amendment (1878), Supreme Court rulings and the UCMJ, we wouldn’t be in this fight.
 
Joan Slish
MRFF Advisory Board Member

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member John Compere
Jesus speaking to his disciples regarding those who presumptuously preempt God by judging & condemning others:
 
“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn and you will not be condemned.” Luke  6:36-37, The NIV Study Bible, New International Version.
 
Program Director Heyman,
 
It is a sad commentary on humanity when bigoted hypocrites, many of whom claim to be American Christians & some even claiming to be American Christian program directors, hurl hatred at fellow Americans because they were born of Jewish mothers (like Jesus). It is the reason moral Americans reject the insidious intolerance of religious racism. Such hate-filled willful ignorance is difficult to dissuade because it is infected with apathy, acrimony & arrogance.
 
As one who was born, raised & educated an American Christian (and certified to teach & taught biblical history for many years), I know & appreciate Christianity is just a branch off the ancient tree of Judaism. Jesus, his disciples & all biblical authors, including apostle Paul, were Jewish. Jesus was known as “king of the Jews” – not Christians (Matthew 2:2;27:11, Luke 23:3&38). Jesus preached “salvation is from the Jews” – not Christians (John 4:22). There would be no Christianity without the Jewish faith, culture & people.
 
Judaism based Christianity teaches God created all human beings equal & it was very good (Genesis 1:27&31), the 2nd greatest commandment is to love one’s neighbor (Mark 12:31, Luke 10:27), and there is no difference between Gentile & Jew for we all are one (Romans 10:12, 1 Corinthians 12:13, Galatians 3:28).
 
Your misguided malice, specious scripture spinning and vacuous version of Christianity reflects only on yourself. Such pernicious prejudice starts with shortage of self-esteem, is perpetuated by racist religious indoctrination & deteriorates into diabolical discrimination against fellow human beings.
 
Freedom to believe or not believe is the very essence of American Constitution individual liberty which is exactly what Mikey Weinstein and the Military Religious Freedom Foundation are fighting to protect for our American military men & women (& officially nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize 7 times for this advocacy).
 
In reality, we are all human brothers & sisters sharing our earthly home with the moral responsibility of caring for each other. Unfortunately, a few ignominious ignoramuses like you have not accepted this self-evident truth & learned to live accordingly.
 
Christian Philosopher BLAISE PASCAL wisely wrote: “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.”
 
American writer & 3 time Pulitzer Prize winner CARL SANBURG profoundly penned:
 
“There is only one man in the world and his name is All Men.
There is only one woman in the world and her name is All Women.
There is only one child in this world and the child’s name is All Children.”
 
Most Sincerely,
John Compere
BA (Government), JD (Law)
Brigadier General, Judge Advocate General’s Corps, US Army (Retired)
Former Chief Judge, US Army Court of Military Review
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam)
Military Religious Freedom Foundation Advisory Board Member

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell

Oh, dear doctor,

Really? With all the self-promotion, all the evidently masterful educational credentials you feel it necessary to attach to your name,
you still need to periodically revert to a little old-fashioned antisemitism? I guess those old urges are hard to forget, huh? Maybe in
the dark of night you still slip on the old robe and hood once in a while, too?

it’s OK. We won’t tell. We have better things to do with our time.

Mike Farrell
(MRFF Board of Advisors)


To: Mike Farrell

I am a Jew myself who loves his Messiah, Jesus.  I am sorry if scriptures offends you.
(name withheld)

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
Scripture doesn’t offend me, doc, except when it’s used by arrogant fools to

denigrate good people. And even then it’s not usually the scripture, it’s the

fool and his arrogance.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)


 

 

 

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4 Comments

  1. Grey One talks sass

    Why is it that people like the letter writer assume a person hasn’t heard about their personal deity? If you live in the USA you can’t get away from ,the Christian message. It’s enshrined in our politicians. There are multiple churches in every single community. So really, how is it people like the letter writer believe they have a message no one has heard before?

    And here is a question I’ve asked those who would proselytize me – is there anything I can say, any evidence I can provide that will shake your faith in God and Jesus? The answer is always no and I follow up with – Then what makes you think I will be swayed from My Faith by anything you have to say?

    Christian Nationalists are selling a One Size Fits All kind of answer for anything and history tells us those solutions benefit only the one doing the selling.

    Also – what nerve of the letter writer to suggest Mikey needs a silly class to understand Christianity. Perhaps the letter writer should take their own ideas to heart.

  2. Franklin Tharp

    The letter writer told me about this email he sent to this organization since we have served together in the field of education. Those who have responded above have assumed facts about him that are wrong. The writer above is not a Christian, he is a Jewish follower of Jesus, so he has the right to call Mr. Weinstein brother since they are both Jews and to Mr. Farrell above he is not antisemitic since he is a Jew.
    I can attest to his educational credentials, he received his BA from UC Berkeley during the 60’s in philosophy before he met Jesus as his Messiah. MA from San Jose State Univ and EDd from the Univ of San Francisco. Combine this with all his education experience:

    * 12 years with CBU graduate education programs
    * 10 years elementary and secondary full time private and public
    * 15 years on the side while being an administrator
    * 23 years as an administrator in private education
    * Former Headmaster Ojai Valley school
    * Former Principal and Founder Monte Vista Christian School Middle School
    * Former Headmaster Mount Paran Christian School
    * Former Superintendent Phoenix Christian High School
    * Former Principal Capistrano Christian School

    I think education and experience out weighs anything that the people above can attest to. Being that he once was a godless Jew before meeting Jesus, he knows what one looks like so I can agree with him that this Mr. Weinstein is a godless Jew.

    Finally, the writer if he had a chance to talk to Ms. Slish, he would say to her that not all Jews go to heaven, only those who have accepted Jesus as their Messiah.

  3. Grey One talks sass

    Franklin – you keep using the term godless Jew. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    Your hermeneutics tell me you value Authority over facts and evidence. Not all knowledge is valuable after all. Not so long ago the people of the Earth believed she was flat.

    Please tell me Frank, how is it that all three of the Abrahamic religions have the same Creator if there is no connection?

    I’m curious as to what you think.

  4. Carmine Wiggins

    And I think his education and experience does NOT out weigh anything that the people above can attest to because his education and experience is not based on the evidence presented; Franklin must be suffering from the Eisegesis Affect.

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