Removal of Bible

On May 13, 2019, at 7:07 PM, (name withheld) wrote:

Sir,

I know nothing about you but understand you have a problem with religion. As citizens of America we can find ways remove the Bible from any institute, but this book is not like your ordinary book because it’s the Kingdom of God. It’s unfortunate the same people that reject, remove, or try to replace the name of God, are the same people that will call on him in time of trouble. If you can prove that Jesus Christ does not exists and his words will pass away, I’ll remove my Bible. Until then the offense you feel when you see the Bible, is proof that his word is alive and active, and cuts like a doubledge sword. The God that said, “Ive gone to away to prepare a place for you,” will return and has not changed his mind. “What does it profit a man to gain he whole world and lose his soul?” Mercy to you and yours,

God bless you, respectfully.

US Army Veteran

 


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein

From: Mikey Weinstein <[email protected]>
Date: May 13, 2019 at 7:16:52 PM MDT
To: (name withheld)
Subject: Removal of Bible

Hey, (name withheld), actually your first statement is wrong… You actually know LESS than nothing about me or our foundation… We have no “problem with religion”… We don’t care about anybody’s particular religious faith or lack there of… We ONLY care about when a military individual, or veteran, believes they have the right to the deploy their faith or lack there of… The deployment of that faith or lack thereof MUST be done in full accordance with the time, place and manner restrictions of our United States Constitution, it’s construing federal and state law and all directives instructions and regulations of the department of defense & the veterans administration… Maybe do a little homework, sport, before you start throwing stones?!… I could quote you the citation out of the New Testament regarding “Judge not lest ye be judged” but I think it would be lost upon you… The rest of your arrogant imperious and self-righteous screed reflects a closed mind unable to listen to the other side… Next time don’t come out throwing crap before exercising an honest inquiry to see what might be going on on the other side…The Military Religious Freedom Foundation represents over 64,000 members of the US military, 95% of them are practicing Christian’s… Our paid and volunteer staff of over 450 is comprised of over 80% practicing Christians… our largest and longest serving endorsing agency is the California Council of Churches IMPACT group which consists of over 5500 protestant congregations, one and 1/2 million protestants consisting of over 20 Protestant denominations… again, put a little effort into doing some research and homework before you start throwing shit at people… You embarrass yourself and waste my valuable time… Take care… Mikey Weinstein, Founder and President, Military Religious Freedom Foundation

 


Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member John Compere

(name withheld),

Thank you for your message & military service. Both Military Religious Freedom Foundation President Weinstein & I are fellow veterans.

Please be advised the Foundation, which is composed of over 80% Christians, opposes proselytizing Christians putting their religious scripture in the middle of non-religious POW/MIA remembrance displays to publicly promote their private religious beliefs in government facilities for many valid reasons, primarily because it violates the US Constitution.

Originated in 1967 by a group of our Vietnam War combat pilots, the River Rats, without religious scripture and continued thereafter by the American Legion without religious scripture, the POW/MIA display purpose was and continues to be about leaving a place at the dinner table for those military comrades and not forgetting them. It has always been a remembrance display – not a religious display.

All POWs, MIAs and military veterans are not Christians & putting Christian scripture in the middle of a secular POW/MIA remembrance display in a government facility is a violation of the 1st Amendment which prohibits our government from endorsing or promoting a religion & requires government neutrality regarding religion (neither pro-religion nor anti-religion but religion-neutral). Religious scriptures can be placed in the hospital chapel for those who wish to see or study them.

Most Sincerely,
Brigadier General John Compere, US Army (Retired)
Disabled American Veteran (Vietnam Era)
Advisory Board Member, Military Religious Freedom Foundation

 


On May 13, 2019, at 9:21 PM, (name withheld) wrote:

My apologies Sir,

The article I read was very misleading, please accept my apology.

(name withheld)

 


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein

From: Mikey Weinstein <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: FOX NEWS MISLABELS MRFF AS AN “ATHEIST ORGANIZATION”
Date: May 13, 2019 at 9:21:53 PM MDT
To: (name withheld)

apology accepted…….thank you for having the integrity to offer it!!…be well, my brother…Mikey

 


Response from MRFF Founder and President Mikey Weinstein
Subject: Removal of Bible
Date: May 13, 2019 at 8:20:16 PM MDT
To:  (name withheld)

 

Hey, (name withheld), actually your first statement is wrong… You actually know LESS than nothing about me or our foundation… We have no “problem with religion”… We don’t care about anybody’s particular religious faith or lack there of… We ONLY care about when a military individual, or veteran, believes they have the right to the deploy their faith or lack there of… The deployment of that faith or lack thereof MUST be done in full accordance with the time, place and manner restrictions of our United States Constitution, it’s construing federal and  state law and all directives instructions and regulations of the department of defense & the veterans administration… Maybe do a little homework, sport, before you start throwing stones?!… I could quote you the citation out of the New Testament regarding “Judge not lest ye be judged” but I think it would be lost upon you… The rest of your arrogant imperious and self-righteous screed reflects a closed mind unable to listen to the other side… Next time don’t come out throwing crap before exercising an honest inquiry to see what might be going on on the other side…The Military Religious Freedom Foundation represents over 64,000 members of the US military, 95% of them are practicing Christian’s… Our paid and volunteer staff of over 450 is comprised of over 80% practicing Christians… our largest and longest serving endorsing agency is the California Council of Churches IMPACT group which consists of over 5500 protestant congregations, one and 1/2 million protestants consisting of over 20 Protestant denominations… again, put a little effort  into doing some research and homework before you start throwing shit at people… You embarrass yourself and waste my valuable time… Take care… Mikey Weinstein, Founder and President, Military Religious Freedom Foundation

Response from MRFF Advisory Board Member Mike Farrell
On May 16, 2019, at 1:15 AM, Mike  wrote:


Dear (name withheld),

You are mistaken. And you are unnecessarily defensive. Let me explain.

We have no problem with religion, except when a particular belief is being forced on others. We have nothing against the Bible and nothing against Christians. In fact, over 95% of those associated with the MRFF are Christians. It’s just that they are not the kind of Christians who believe they can shove their belief down the throat of others.

You are welcome to your belief and we have no interest in attempting to prove or disprove yours or anyone else’s belief. Our mission is to protect the right of everyone in the military to believe as she or he does without allowing anyone to force another view on them.

Our mission is to protect the separation of church and state, as the founders of this country intended. The freedom of religious belief or non-belief is protected when the government does not promote one belief system over others. That’s why the POW/MIA tables should not have a Bible or a Book of Mormon or a Talmud or a Quran on them. You see, the original tables did not, as was proper. So today, when someone tries to promote one religion by placing an item representing their faith, and presumes that an artifact of that one faith covers all POWs and MIAs, they are dishonoring those who did not share that belief, and they are violating the separation of church and state.

I hope that helps you better understand.

Mike Farrell

(MRFF Board of Advisors)


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2 Comments

  1. James C Lindsey

    The First Amendment to the Constitution does not make displaying a Bible illegal. Unless you force it to.

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    First Amendment

    First Amendment: An Overview

    The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the right to freedom of religion and freedom of expression from government interference. It prohibits any laws that establish a national religion, impede the free exercise of religion, abridge the freedom of speech, infringe upon the freedom of the press, interfere with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibit citizens from petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances. It was adopted into the Bill of Rights in 1791. The Supreme Court interprets the extent of the protection afforded to these rights. The First Amendment has been interpreted by the Court as applying to the entire federal government even though it is only expressly applicable to Congress. Furthermore, the Court has interpreted the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment as protecting the rights in the First Amendment from interference by state governments. 

    Freedom of Religion

    Two clauses in the First Amendment guarantee freedom of religion. The Establishment Clause prohibits the government from passing legislation to establish an official religion or preferring one religion over another. It enforces the “separation of church and state.” However, some governmental activity related to religion has been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court. For example, providing bus transportation for parochial school students and the enforcement of “blue laws” is not prohibited. The Free Exercise Clause prohibits the government, in most instances, from interfering with a person’s practice of their religion.

    Placing a Bible, Koran, Torra or other religious material in not prohibited. Forcing a State sponsored religion is illegal.

    I am trying to understand you issue but I just don’t see how this is wrong. Please feel free to give me more information.

  2. Grey One talks sass

    James,

    It is a fact the POW/MIA table was created without an article of religion. Those who started the shrines, for that is what they are to me, explained by not including a specific holy book on the table everyone could be represented.

    Why is it so hard for Christian Nationalists to respect that lack of representation? The Christian Bible is not inclusive. Why must they force their faith where it does not belong?

    These are the questions you should be asking yourself James instead of quoting the First Amendment. It’s a great amendment – don’t get me wrong – but I’m tired of Christian Nationalists using it as a weapon to protect but not bind their hypocritical selves.

    If one wishes to truly honor our missing warriors perhaps We The People should leave the religious literature off the table.

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